Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

He will win. I think there are probably at least 100 MPs who want him out but unless there is real momentum behind them, with Gove leading the way, I think fairly few will come forward.

https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/736891592552878080

ok that was easy

Look at this picture, if it makes you violent congratulations you are still alive

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/652514875726364672/vLJJ5vLh.png

how about this, if it makes you smile you can personally leave

Why didn't he die, Young?

i posted the exact same thing on the fucking england flags thread at the time, used to walk past it on the way to work, before the office moved.

and it's not acton like he says, it's shepherd's bush.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/rick-its-more-complicated-than-that.html

I was wondering what ppl here think of the argument put forward in this blog post from a leave supporter, that brexit would not cause any dramatic changes in the short term (as in the next decade or so), contrary to what both the leave campaign suggests?

Let's take a for instance. Erasmus, the academic cooperation programme. That is the mechanism by which we facilitate cross border exchanges and research funding. There is no renegotiating that in two years, not least because it would need to be ratified by all states (including non-EU members if I understand it correctly). But as much as we cannot renegotiate it in two years we cannot design a replacement for it either. So we keep it.

Apply that same logic to air traffic control, public health surveillance, port inspections, Europol, and all the other cooperation areas where we have ongoing projects, budgetary commitments and contracts to be upheld. The very idea that we're going to dream up an FTA that ties up the loose ends and addresses the shortfalls experienced by both parties is fanciful.

Pretty sure that most European research funding (Horizon 2020, ERC etc) has nothing to do with Erasmus. Anyway, Switzerland found out that things can change quickly when you're on the wrong side of the EU: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/11/whatever-you-do-dont-become-switzerland-swiss-academics-tell-uk

Yep. It might take a while for commitments around Erasmus programmes to wind down but I don't see why there could not be a fairly immediate change in status for students on full degrees - with EU students charged full fees for attending UK universities and vice versa. There will be lots of areas of shared resource and cooperation that will take years to exit from but plenty that can kick in fairly quickly. Aside from that, you'd have several years of uncertainty with nobody clear on what deals can be reached or how quickly they can be implemented. It's correct to say that withdrawal would be a process rather than an event but it would probably be a hugely destabilising one.

and it's not acton like he says, it's shepherd's bush.

Some plebs live there, that's all he knows.

it's just the other end of ravenscourt park from his school...

... which would welcome with open hours any children of residents there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjpqLlqWgAAn30L.jpg

cartoon posted as one of the replies to Young's tweet. is one of the welsh revelers throwing a leek in the air?

No-one celebrated St Andrew's Day when I was growing up, no-one knew when it was. Burns Night was sort of for golf club masonic wankers but most people knew when it was at least.

Admittedly now that Scotland's gone all Scottish, it might be different these days.

I say we bring back empire day

the SNP made st Andrew's day a public holiday for people who work in the Scottish government not long after they got in power at holyrood the first time, but yeah, the average Scottish person wouldn't know what date it is.

I think Toby Young is smiling at the thought of all the working class kept behind locked gates?

y no big pointy tits lady celebrate sir george day

No-one celebrated St Andrew's Day when I was growing up, no-one knew when it was.

I think maybe November-ish? No-one's going to give a fuck unless the SNP make it a holiday.

Just looked it up - it's 30th November. We need to move it to July.

Oh fuck, now I know when it is.

July would maximise feelings of Scottishness as it pisses down?

Forgotten come Nov, right?

There's just nothing to do St. Andrew's day - it's an empty holiday. We might populate it, but hopefully not by abducting the content of other holidays. Eating haggis and drinking whiskey, while awesome, aren't part of it. My idea is that you have to listen to every big country album, while drinking tennents and eating chips. Which is my weekends anyway.

Eating haggis and drinking whiskey, while awesome, aren't part of it.

That's Burns Night anyway. Whiskey :-o

Right; it can't just be a second burns night. We could always celebrate the Scottish poets who are actually good, but when I try that on burns night people are resistant.

I would celebrate a Panther Burns night

I liked his work with Wee Eck Chilton.

A burns night dedicated to insulting each other.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_scale,h_438,w_438/t_mp_quality/gmfsrnxfn7ua31qdza6z/stop-panicking-mr-burns-is-not-leaving-the-simpsons-excellent-495170.jpg

Some worrying polling data is coming through suggesting that the hail Mary 'if you want a Turk for a neighbour, vote remain' stuff is working.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/04/poll-eu-brexit-lead-opinium

Graun trying to whip up the faithful on the run-in

I can't see how we're not leaving. It's like a slow-motion car-crash.

average odds on "Stay" still 2/5. not saying it's impossible, but i trust bookies' odds way more than newspaper polls

also i want people to fully enjoy the consequences of their voting decisions

[I don't understand odds enough to know if that's good but I hope that that's good]

Also my sample size isn't much larger than relatives on facebook sharing Britain First-esque videos that suggest the world wanted to be a British colony until WW2 and it's all Germany's fault that we're no longer a great nation. (Most of these relatives will probably be dead before the true after-effects of leaving the EU (and global warming, which they also don't believe in) take hold)

the odds mean that roughly speaking bookmakers and their customers consider a "stay" win to be twice as likely as a "leave"

Brexiters are far noisier than Stay voters, for a number of reasons

i'm still firmly in the Mercutio camp

Brexiters are far noisier than Stay voters, for a number of reasons

again going only by my sample group one of those reasons is flatulence

The odds are narrowing at a rate tho. Was way more comfortable even a week ago.

we've postal voted already (will be in the anti-EU enclave of Switzerland for the vote) so won't be able to discover if I'm susceptible to vile anti-Turk racist scaremongering after all

Yeah I saw that, I think they've only got so much ground to make tho. Don't know if there are enough true neutrals to swing the poll

But hey, we Brits love an underdog

Basically after 2015 I'm braced for disappointment with every election.

"Call me Morbz."

Will never be disappointed by a free electorate expressing its values and opinions through a democratic vote

lol

Time to go out and get a swastika tattooed on your tit.