Curb Your Authoritarianism? The 2016 Conventional Wisdom Thread (Elections, Part 6)

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I feel like he has a special brand of innuendo that deserves to be termed a Trumpism.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 13 June 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link

I've heard from people some unbelievable things about Trump's lack of sphincter control. Which is fine, which is good, he's very proud of his sphincter. I don't know if it's true, this story about his near-constant anal leakage, I'm just saying. I'm building a wall. Sad! Smaller, the best, number 1!

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 15:02 (seven years ago) link

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-orlando-attacks-reaction/index.html

Hillary Clinton said Monday she's not afraid to say "radical" Islam as she countered attacks from Donald Trump that she's too politically correct to use the phrase.

k3vin k., Monday, 13 June 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link

he really is the perfect, functioning endpoint homunculus of the right-wing pander machine.

fuck hillary for even playing that game. j/k love you hillary. except don't play that game. love you. don't play.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 13 June 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link

Seriously. This is a game of chicken where you don't even get into the car. That bugfuck moron will happily accelerate off a cliff without your participation.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link

fucking Trump playing the secret muslim Obama shit smh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 13 June 2016 15:14 (seven years ago) link

it's just fucking crazy and depressing

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 13 June 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link

Well, tbf, he's saying that Obabma is in collusion with terrorists and also saying that Obama can't curb terrorism because he's weak and incompetent. Because it's both night and day, and now you can mindlessly nod in ascent because your mind is as gone as mine.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 15:58 (seven years ago) link

Seriously, though, Hillary: anytime Trump says you're too afraid to do or say something, you just mention offhandedly that you heard his weave is made of 100% pubic hair, something like that, and then you just let him hang himself with his own garbage mouth.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 16:00 (seven years ago) link

Has any Repub pres nom ever gone this hardcore batshit racist troll for reals?

Oh baby, if only you knew / Gabnebb hit a hundred-and-two (stevie), Monday, 13 June 2016 16:06 (seven years ago) link

i dunno but reagan announcing his presidential campaign at neshoba county fair was pretty obnoxious

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 13 June 2016 16:15 (seven years ago) link

i don't really have a problem with hillary, or any democrat, saying "radical islam" -- i always thought the taboo against saying it was silly. but to say that now, after what happened this weekend, and in response to being baited by trump...ugh

k3vin k., Monday, 13 June 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link

Has any Repub pres nom ever gone this hardcore batshit racist troll for reals?

― Oh baby, if only you knew / Gabnebb hit a hundred-and-two (stevie)

Goldwater didn't vote for the Civil Rights Act, and then there's the matter of Nixon + Strom Thurmond

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:16 (seven years ago) link

Goldwater, Nixon and Reagan were hardcore bad and awful, but their racist dog whistles were artisanally hand-crafted compared to Trump, who is easily the most batshit racist-trolling nominee since Benjamin Harrison.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:21 (seven years ago) link

Benjamin Harrison supported the Lodge Force Bill!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:22 (seven years ago) link

he was the best prez on race b/w Grant and FDR, and that's not much

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:23 (seven years ago) link

Seriously, though, Hillary: anytime Trump says you're too afraid to do or say something, you just mention offhandedly that you heard his weave is made of 100% pubic hair, something like that, and then you just let him hang himself with his own garbage mouth.

― Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 16:00 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is not what the word 'seriously' means

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:36 (seven years ago) link

is this the first time a presidential candidate has ever accused a sitting president of treason? just wondering

frogbs, Monday, 13 June 2016 17:47 (seven years ago) link

That's the thing though, Trump doesn't outright accuse Obama of treason, he just uses the vaguest possible dog whistles. And he phrases it in this confusing "people are saying" "I don't know" sort of language so he can convince the audience he believes it but have plausible deniability.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:50 (seven years ago) link

xp he'd say you have "misconstrued" his words, bcz he only implied that Obama was committing treason without having the courage to state his accusation clearly.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 13 June 2016 17:51 (seven years ago) link

Obama is up to so much secret stuff Trump knows about, I can only imagine the secret stuff he's up to that Trump doesn't know about. That's reason alone to vote for Trump. The man keeps no secrets, at least none besides the specifics of literally every single policy or plan he has promoted. But at least we know he's not a secret Muslim (or is he?) or fascist (it's no secret).

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2016 18:08 (seven years ago) link

Trump has no secrets to keep because he has no filter between his lizard brain and his wordhole. We hear every rudimentary half thought he has ping ponging around in his head. He's maybe a little more discreet about who's a great piece of ass or a total dog than he used to be, but that's about it.

Manspread Mann (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 June 2016 18:26 (seven years ago) link

Trump has no secrets to keep

That so?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/f4/51/c2f451c546bef3a7c8b1470d09dd53d4.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2016 18:33 (seven years ago) link

Donald Trump is claiming that the gunman in the Orlando mass shooting was an Afghanistan native — even though the suspect was born in New York City.
Trump made the claim in his speech in Manchester, New Hampshire Monday. He said the gunman, who has been identified as Omar Mateen, was "born an Afghan." The shooter was born in Queens to parents who emigrated from Afghanistan.

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-Clinton-says-she-can-address-8097421.php

akm, Monday, 13 June 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link

should just start calling Donald a Klansman, after all his dad was a member

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 19:37 (seven years ago) link

as long as we're playing this "sins of the father" game

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 19:38 (seven years ago) link

maybe he meant that the shooter was born a throw blanket, xp

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Monday, 13 June 2016 19:41 (seven years ago) link

He is an Afghan the way the judge is a Mexican. That is to say, Donald Trump is a racist.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link

i'm not sure i'm capable of being surprised by the human shitstain that trump is anymore. he could publicly declare that hillary molests little boys and it'd just be the same old, same old.

he's a horrible cartoon caricature come to life, and i say that without intending the slightest bit of hyperbole.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link

he's ratcheted things up so far already that i'm not sure what he has left except to announce that hillary clinton "maybe, i dunno, i've heard rumors" fucks little boys.

waiting for republicans to drop their support of him any minute. mccain? ryan? anyone? yeah, they can all go to hell.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 19:54 (seven years ago) link

none of them are going to drop him, they need his supporters' votes

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:11 (seven years ago) link

god, i hope he will be the albatross that drags the entire party down, but i guess there are enough shit for brains in this country to keep that from happening.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 20:12 (seven years ago) link

even if it brings the party down, there's still the problem of all the non-pols who believe/celebrate this garbage

brimstead, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link

Trump will not bring the party down

he will damage (hopefully cripple) their effectiveness at the federal level for a few years.

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link

it’s the middle of june, and trump has already:

- accused a sitting president of treason and collusion in the mass murder of american citizens*
- said that his opponent should be in jail, and insinuated that she is responsible for someone’s murder

of course, this makes plenty of sense when you remember that he rose to political prominence (as opposed to simply prominence as a walking caricuature of a rich bully) by questioning whether the sititng president was actually an american at all

can we sink any lower? we still have five months.

*NB obama is unquestionably, actually responsible for the deaths of american citizens via drone strikes, but trump isn’t taking that approach

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 20:25 (seven years ago) link

we can always go lower, have some faith

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:26 (seven years ago) link

how does clinton even debate a guy like this, who is liable to respond to a question about social security with a claim that her makeup is made up of the ground viscera of christian babies?

i can't believe someone this transparently odious will get upwards of 40% of the popular vote. by rights this should be a world-historical trainwreck, a blowout of never-before-seen proportions.

sorry folks, i'm just trying to get my head around the new reality we live in, and it's hard.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 20:27 (seven years ago) link

i can't believe someone this transparently odious will get upwards of 40% of the popular vote

Plenty of people saying the same thing about Clinton, of course.

"Almost half the country hates the president" has been normal for a while, and shows no sign of changing.

too much blood in my alcoholstream (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 13 June 2016 20:37 (seven years ago) link

@realDonaldTrump
Based on the incredibly inaccurate coverage and reporting of the record setting Trump campaign, we are hereby revoking the press credentials of the phony and dishonest Washington Post.

mookieproof, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link

lmao jesus christ

global tetrahedron, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:47 (seven years ago) link

sorry folks, i'm just trying to get my head around the new reality we live in, and it's hard.

― wizzz! (amateurish), Monday, June 13, 2016 4:27 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

We've been living in it since 9/11. Trump is the logical endpoint of 15 years of warmongering, xenophobia, racism, and intense state-induced paranoia. There's nothing Trump could do now that would shock me, short of barfing on stage or following thru on shooting someone on Fifth Avenue. When he said last summer that McCain wasn't a war hero "because he was captured" and his poll numbers went up, I knew he would be the nominee. The one positive aspect of his campaign thru May was that he singlehandedly decimated the GOP. Thankfully I think we're safe with HRC running against him. If Trump were to be elected, that would be a whole new terrifying reality... for now, at least thru my eyes, this the same horrible twisted Philip K. Dickian world we've been living in since 9/11.

flappy bird, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link

i dunno, there's a different b/t the lunatic fringe being the lunatic fringe, and it suddenly (?) occupying center stage.

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link

I think all the stuff Trump throws out in explicit terms have been communicated in dog whistles and lies since GWB said "they attacked us because they hate our freedom." The far right gladly voted for GWB and McCain, maybe Romney less so, but they were throwing them scraps and bones. Trump gives em the red meat. He's trafficking in the same rhetoric that's been used by both parties for decades. Instead of referring to welfare as "people wanting free stuff" like Jeb! did earlier this year, Trump wants to build a wall and deport all Muslims. It's the same shit, it's just way way way more potent.

flappy bird, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link

*has been

flappy bird, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:55 (seven years ago) link

@jeneps
Trump's banned news orgs include: Wash Post, Politico, BuzzFeed, Huff Post, Daily Beast, DM Register, Union Leader, Univision, Fusion & more

gawker's time to shine imo

mookieproof, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:56 (seven years ago) link

He's trafficking in the same rhetoric that's been used by both parties for decades.

hmmm no

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:57 (seven years ago) link

GWB said "they attacked us because they hate our freedom."

also this is a weird GWB line to single out given all his other egregious malapropisms and distortions, as this was one of the rare instances when he was (kinda/sorta) right? Al Qaeda/ISIS/whoever *do* hate Western liberal democratic values.

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link

yeah it's not the same shit, sorry. did the GOP pave the way for trump? absolutely. is trump just a small matter of degree worse than mccain or romney? absolutely not.

i'm getting really tired of hearing this bleating racist with the cognitive abilities of a six-year-old on the news, can someone just slit his fucking throat already?

wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 13 June 2016 20:59 (seven years ago) link

can we talk for a second about the unique characteristics necessary to be a Trump VP pick? You have to have someone who is a) a total sycophant, willing in any and every instance to defer to His Orangeness, b) stupid enough not to see it as career suicide, and c) craven/greedy enough to think that being Trump's VP may pay off at some point in the form of either notoriety or further employment from ye Donald. And then on Trump's end he will want someone who won't disagree with him or show him up, but will also maybe lend him some credibility with larger GOP voter base.

I mean, who fits this criteria? Christie does kinda I guess, although I never really thought he was quite that stupid.

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 June 2016 21:03 (seven years ago) link


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