Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

Also, mandatory English skills, etc.

thought the raf behr article in the guardian today was uncharacteristically good. only winced like two three times

Chuka was on R4 earlier for remain and he had a very good rapport with IDS, maybe a male pattern baldness thing - but they made a nauseating duo. Listening to these contemptible shits going through the motions is more evidence to make you want both sides to feel defeated tomorrow. IDS nearly had a follow through when Chuka used the football metaphor about him wanting "our star striker" Corbyn to score some goals.

I am voting remain, mostly on a vague anti-Tory/right wing reflex, which is ridiculous when you think how many Tories in both parties are remain. But when all you can see is decades of Tory rule ahead it is hard to envisage any vote you make having a positive impact, just maybe slowing down this juggernaut slightly.

there wouldn't need to be any volte face because the official leave campaign is redundant in 24 hours and has no autonomous existence. whoever comes next is not bound to honour that any more than all the other unfulfillable or meaningless promises made during this campagin will be honoured. maybe dominic cummings will personally let 15 latvians live in his shed during the expatriation proceeedings as an expression of solidarity, assuming they didn't already lose their jobs during the 3% fall of gdp that andrew lilico considers an acceptable price for uk independence.

how did this gobshite get on the telly
[it's Toby Young, I'm switching off]

If remain wins, what happens to b johnson?

Fuck an EU, but I'm still voting Remain for reasons that are roughly congruent with NV and calzino's

Johnson secures the hearts of the bumpkin wing of the party without having to do any actual work until Cameron steps down, which i assume has always been the plan

If remain wins, what happens to b johnson?
― coygbiv (NickB), Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:25 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

next prime minister innit

Christ, how do we kill off that gobshite?

john barnes otm, though i can get behind the leave campaign tactic of naming random celebrities and saying they're going to vote leave

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/22/john-barnes-gove-says-voting-leave-wrong?CMP=share_btn_tw

xp nah Johnson is a busted flush if remain win tomorrow

Theresa May, next PM.

http://machotrouts.tumblr.com/post/146007685930/remaindr

xp nah Johnson is a busted flush if remain win tomorrow

seriously doubt it, losing will not be pinned on him

there is a greater chance that johnson would become prime minister after a remain vote than there would have been had he supported a successful remain campaign. this was his rationale for pretending to be opposed to the european union. the people who follow this nonsense generally aver that if johnson gets on the final ballot then the party membership will elect him, but his appeal to them would have collapsed as soon as he supported cameron. getting him on the ballot might not be any harder either, there seems to be a fair amount of support for him in the parliamentary party.

loooooool caek, finally a debate i can get behind

nakh otm. only thing standing betw boris and PM is gove (whose approval rating w.the base is currently higher) but a. he doesn't want it & b. he's smart enough to know he's not a big_tent_politician

3 Too horny to engage politically

mainstream pollsters going wrong by failing to incorporate these figures

idk how smart Gove is tbh but i think the biggest issue Johnson has is that he might be seen as Cameron 2.0 even if he has backed leaving the EU. He's 'socially liberal', market-focused and pro-immigration however much he has tried to hide it recently. I think an ideologue like Raab could pose a challenge with the base.

Or Hannan. They seem to love Hannan.

there is not a great chance raab and johnson could both get on the ballot because they will split the eurosceptic vote. some sort of holdover candidate, osborne or may, or maybe javid vs johnson or one of the brittania unchained lot is more likely.

prithi patel loves executions too which is always good. raab is supposed to have a martial arts background but he looks a bit too libertarian to really understand how important it is for rapists, murderers and paedophiles to be executed.

if a leave vote then cameron is gone in months and raab et al are probably considered too green by the parliamentary party. possible though! exciting times anyway.

Or Hannan. They seem to love Hannan.

No chance.

Javid and Patel probably don't stand that much of a chance for reasons that don't need elaborating on. I think Raab is the most likely of the Britannia Unchained cru to edge Johnson out tbh. Might be green but these are the people who voted for Hague. Raab projects an evil cyborg competence and is a true believer.

idk how up for it Osborne would be if the UK leaves and he's left dealing with the economic fallout.

I think May's star has been on the wane for a while but could definitely see her making a ballot.

Cue the UK staying in the EU and 11 more years of Cameron...

raab is jewish though. and it's not clear how much racism really matters at that level; hatred of mass immigration and approval of selected individuals are commonly found together in the sort of decrepit stockbroker belt types who will be voting. few are likely to conclusively rule out on the grounds of race, and javid got plenty of support in a conservative home poll.

Possibly, though the Conservative Home poll was of 700-odd readers via the Internet and I think their audience skews a bit younger. Something like two thirds of the party is 60+. Maybe I'm underestimating them.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clli1uYWIAEVdE4.jpg:large

squad

EU Cru stoked for the madness.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/22/ruth-davidson-star-wembley-nicola-sturgeon-kezia-dugdale

It is no surprise to anyone who has watched Davidson since the Scottish referendum that she is an impressive politician. Unlike so many of those we’re disdainful of in Westminster, she gives every impression of being a normal, rounded human being.

Her Twitter feed is not just a set of party political broadcasts. She deals sarcastically with trolls, retweets funny gifs and uses slang without it sounding forced. In short, she does everything that most ordinary people do, and along with the other two women leading Scotland’s major parties, makes most of the politicians we have south of the border look slightly dim and fairly incompetent.

this must be at least the third article the guardian has published this year by an English journalist about how cool and awesome Davidson is - is she actually popular with non-Tories in Scotland? I'm sure I remember similar articles being published about about David Cameron around the time he became leader, how refreshingly "normal" and likeable he is - this was compared to Hague/IDS/Howard though, so low bar to clear

is she actually popular with non-Tories in Scotland?

Yep. My leftie Corbyn-supporting girlfriend would vote for her if not for the Tory thing.

This is kind of amazing though.

As well as Dugdale, Ruth Davidson (leader of the Scottish Tories), David Coburn (Ukip Scotland’s leader), and David Mundell (Scotland’s sole Tory MP and secretary of state for Scotland) are all openly gay. And Patrick Harvie (leader of the Scottish Green party) identifies as bisexual.

v tough electoral climate for scotland's homophobes

Fuck an EU, but I'm still voting Remain for reasons that are roughly congruent with NV and calzino's

Think this is where I'm heading too after months of wanting no part of this

Went and done it.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AU6_kQ5gCoU/V2uJ776Q-VI/AAAAAAAABB4/Ui7c2KgmfaATQCWCqGAx6o3ONCCaVhtGgCL0B/w426-h568-no/2016-06-23.jpg

xps re. Boris, hmm yeah I think I had naively assumed his reputation would be shot with the Great British Public, I was forgetting the joys of Tory party internal politics

He's the most popular politician in the UK! I am assuming the discussion above is ways in which he might get to be PM if Remain win - there'll be no obstacles of Leave do.

If Leave win - I wouldn't put money on it - the landscape of the parliamentary Tory party looks different again, so I disagree.

two blokes in suits with an ipad asking people how they voted about 2ft *outside* the school gates when i went to vote this morning. innocent exit poll or something more sinister?

(they didn't ask me as they were busy bothering the old woman in front so i didn't get to ask them for id)

^^ So long as they're not trying to influence people *before* they go in to vote, I don't think there's anything sinister going on

According to this: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/referendum-night-when-to-nap-and-the-results-to-watch

"... there’s no exit poll for this referendum. Some banks are said to have commissioned private exit polls, but they will be kept for their employees."

I guess your polling station was part of the sample for one of those?

(it was the goldfinger school around the corner...)

I haven't seen a single Leave poster in Brighton. My colleague who lives in Southend hasn't seen any Remain posters. Neither of these surprising obv.

Good luck UK.

That's a classy-arsed polling station, Koogs.

there were people handing out "i'm in" stickers at my train station, all along the streets. i couldn't take one as i'm not allowed to have an opinion about this referendum, as a civil servant. whichever outcome happens will be the best outcome.

all for the best in the best of all possible worlds