Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

to fuck off sanctimonious Remain campaigners?

In the same boat (and building) as Garda, and yeah they've been clear and active on this - one colleague got told to take a 'remember to register to vote' tweet down.
This is the law in question:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/41/section/125
and I think our bit is taking a very tight reading of it.

xp
like stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork to upset your mum

not really, but that's the kind of tone

if anyone has an argument for brexit I'm a curious bag of ears

― ogmor, Thursday, 23 June 2016 11:54 (40 minutes ago) Permalink

It isn't very democratic. I'm voting remain but that seems to me to be the best argument for leaving

It isn't very democratic.

what is?

The Scottish Parliament

not really, but that's the kind of tone

― Noodle Vague, Thursday, 23 June 2016 13:36 (5 minutes ago

Nope, defines your tone only, and i think you know that's true

I'm just being honest

in the further interest of honesty I think I might avoid this thread and Facebook for the rest of the week because jaysus

The Scottish Parliament

hmmmmm nope

this brilliant and popular referendum is pretty democratic.

If the UK votes leave I really hope we get indyref 2

I agree the EU is lamentably undemocratic, but not uniquely so, and leaving wouldn't make anything any more democratic, it would just shrink the demos. after the referendum would be an opportune moment to raise reform of the EU but I haven't seen much talk about that either

pound (and remain odds) surging fwiw

yeah my brother works in hedge funds (sorry) and he said markets spiking.

labour needs to make the tories pay for this for the next 20 years

"because their own party couldn't agree on the EU, they played with the livelihoods and future of everyone in this country"

but they never do, do they

NV, fwiw, I am taken by how you came to a decision today (if it holds). It's a personal, humane choice. Basing a decision on yer gut feeling has gotten a bad rep it seems in this whole sordid Brexit affair. How emotions shouldn't override 'facts'. Truth is no one knows how either outcome will play out. Given that uncertainty, and the fact that the harsh noise of pundits, politicians and experts - from both camps - are only making things worse, I don't envy any British citizen tomorrow. Feels to me like voters are set adrift on a sea of uncertainty and then asked: well, how are you going to safe yourself? How are you going to make the 'right' decision? You're on your own. Everyone is. 'Weighing' pros and cons in this seems like such a draining exercise. Not trying to sound like an old hippy, but you can only vote going by the heart, which is what you seem to do.

This wasn't following his heart though - by his own admission, he wasn't that bothered about it until he was hit by the Damascene revelation that the people who were going to be fucked over by this are technically humans.

Truth is no one knows how either outcome will play out.

There is a huge gulf between "We can't tell you the value of the FTSE in a year's time" and "We don't know whether immigrants will be better or worse off after a vote on their validity on these shores". Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to scuff some dirt over the shitty thing they've done.

Oh I agree with that last part.

Good luck today, Britishers.

(Woman). (Hitler). (Hitler). (Hitler). (Noodle Vague). (Hitler). (Hitler). (Hitler).

^ gave me a small lol

Similar to others here, I just haven't come across a single "red brexit" argument that outweighs the likely shit effect it will have on the lives of my friends. Def wanna mute Facebook but even taking into account the complete lack of sanctimony and bad celebrity endorsements on the Leave side I wasn't tempted to change my position

i find everyone saying the same thing on social media is generally annoying, regardless of what it is.

like it is hard to think of people as special snowflakes when you're deluged with the same "look i have a brain" wordings. i feel like this is an impulse to be resisted but i can understand it for sure.

I'm staying off social media until the meme about the 93-year-old woman in the polling queue loses steam. BORED NOW.

lol what is that?

labour needs to make the tories pay for this for the next 20 years

"because their own party couldn't agree on the EU, they played with the livelihoods and future of everyone in this country"

but they never do, do they

OTM I'm just thinking about the intolerable level of smugness in Cameron if the remain vote comes through. After all the shit he's put people through on account of his dreadful party and limp leadership skills.

Never realized till now that Corbyn votes at the same polling station as me.

the total lack of responsibility in this dirty power struggle writ large is astonishing, as is the fact that so little will be made of it.

lol what is that?

wins, it is memes relating to this dipshit:
https://twitter.com/keitheadams/status/745921551661469696

Keith Adams
@keitheadams

Old, happy atheist. Admire our military and despise the EU and most politicians with a passion. If you say Haitch instead of Aitch, I'll block you

EUSSR
Joined September 2010

As far as the civil service goes, iirc there are similar rules for the military.

just seen the revised guardian logo.
it was clearly too subtle for me while i was at work.

Does it say "Vote Lib Dem"?

Managed to leave the house and vote. Small victories. Do feel sick with worry today though.

\m/

Feeling fairly optimistic about this thing atm, but Brighton is like living in a bubble so who knows

irl its been hard to find anyone who isnt brexit so i dunno how its gonna go. I dont think Scotland is going to be massively in favour of remain as predicted.

It's the IndyRef all over, everybody was voting Yes but they lost by 10%.

... all over again.

people exclusively consulting demographically similar cohorts and deriving a false impression of unanimity of sentiment

Scotland will def vote remain, by around 10% if not more.

again

10% is hardly 'massive' though and it had been predicted to be 20%+. It's too hard to predict how it will go.
The polling station I go to always has the highest turnout in my town. But in other parts they told me it can be very low.
But they reckon my polling station will be well over 70% turnout. Its been much higher than any other election other than indy ref, its not as high as that unsurprisingly but its still very high.

the bookies seems sure and Cameron and co seem relaxed so you assume its a comfortable win for remain but you cant be 100% certain and people have been wrong before.

Anyone know roughly when the final results are likely to be announced? Is it worth staying up or will nothing be known til breakfast time?

i'm not sure any of us meet enough people and pay enough attention to the people we do meet to be able to tell the difference between a society that is about to vote remain by 10% or one that is remain by 20%, much less one that is as close as the polls suggest.

it had been predicted to be 20%+.

What? Who by, Jeanette Krankie?

xxp http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/referendum-night-when-to-nap-and-the-results-to-watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4EEH4lRnlA

thanks, caek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72TopWbXJg