Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

like it is hard to think of people as special snowflakes when you're deluged with the same "look i have a brain" wordings. i feel like this is an impulse to be resisted but i can understand it for sure.

I'm staying off social media until the meme about the 93-year-old woman in the polling queue loses steam. BORED NOW.

lol what is that?

labour needs to make the tories pay for this for the next 20 years

"because their own party couldn't agree on the EU, they played with the livelihoods and future of everyone in this country"

but they never do, do they

OTM I'm just thinking about the intolerable level of smugness in Cameron if the remain vote comes through. After all the shit he's put people through on account of his dreadful party and limp leadership skills.

Never realized till now that Corbyn votes at the same polling station as me.

the total lack of responsibility in this dirty power struggle writ large is astonishing, as is the fact that so little will be made of it.

lol what is that?

wins, it is memes relating to this dipshit:
https://twitter.com/keitheadams/status/745921551661469696

Keith Adams
@keitheadams

Old, happy atheist. Admire our military and despise the EU and most politicians with a passion. If you say Haitch instead of Aitch, I'll block you

EUSSR
Joined September 2010

As far as the civil service goes, iirc there are similar rules for the military.

just seen the revised guardian logo.
it was clearly too subtle for me while i was at work.

Does it say "Vote Lib Dem"?

Managed to leave the house and vote. Small victories. Do feel sick with worry today though.

\m/

Feeling fairly optimistic about this thing atm, but Brighton is like living in a bubble so who knows

irl its been hard to find anyone who isnt brexit so i dunno how its gonna go. I dont think Scotland is going to be massively in favour of remain as predicted.

It's the IndyRef all over, everybody was voting Yes but they lost by 10%.

... all over again.

people exclusively consulting demographically similar cohorts and deriving a false impression of unanimity of sentiment

Scotland will def vote remain, by around 10% if not more.

again

10% is hardly 'massive' though and it had been predicted to be 20%+. It's too hard to predict how it will go.
The polling station I go to always has the highest turnout in my town. But in other parts they told me it can be very low.
But they reckon my polling station will be well over 70% turnout. Its been much higher than any other election other than indy ref, its not as high as that unsurprisingly but its still very high.

the bookies seems sure and Cameron and co seem relaxed so you assume its a comfortable win for remain but you cant be 100% certain and people have been wrong before.

Anyone know roughly when the final results are likely to be announced? Is it worth staying up or will nothing be known til breakfast time?

i'm not sure any of us meet enough people and pay enough attention to the people we do meet to be able to tell the difference between a society that is about to vote remain by 10% or one that is remain by 20%, much less one that is as close as the polls suggest.

it had been predicted to be 20%+.

What? Who by, Jeanette Krankie?

xxp http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/23/referendum-night-when-to-nap-and-the-results-to-watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4EEH4lRnlA

thanks, caek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T72TopWbXJg

I'm still thinking it'll be about 40:60 leave:remain. But I'm in Scotland, so I might have been swayed by that. More confident than I was with the indyref which I thought would be closer than it was.

That's my guess as well, give or take.

> will be well over 70% turnout

radio4, i don't remember who, said that a low turnout favours Leave, a higher turnout favours Remain BUT a very high turnout favours Leave again. not sure how they worked that out, but it was interesting.

yougov doesn't agree: https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/05/21/assessing-impact-turnout-eu-referendum/

ah, the ft does - https://next.ft.com/content/35f15744-37cd-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7

"Low levels of turnout ought to favour the Leavers, who are thought to be more motivated by their antipathy towards the EU. Somewhat higher turnout should maximise the Remain vote, given that younger people — who tend not to show up to vote — are more likely to be Europhile.

But if turnout reaches exceptional levels — say, 80 per cent or more — this could suggest an advantage for Leave as it implies that the most anti-establishment, anti-EU citizens, who might never normally bother to go to the ballot box, have come out in favour of Brexit."

i am slightly worried about the several hundred thousand people at glastonbury, who i peg as mostly remainers, but probably not bothered enough to arrange postal votes.

If Bobby George and Jeremy Clarkson are both voting in, it can't be out surely?

Might be a lot of London commuters not getting back in time to vote thanks to the rail network washing away in the storm.

French air traffic control strikes and bad weather stopping voters returning from Europe as well - some potential stay voters not being able to leave, I'm sure there is some irony in there somewhere

sod the staying up idea : time to get drunk, hit the playlist, stop stressing, and wake up tomorrow morning when its (supposedly) all over.

i am slightly worried about the several hundred thousand people at glastonbury

Glastonbury attendance is 135,000

something i always wondered: what happens if someone submits a postal vote and then dies before polling day? does their vote still count?

yes

there was some old cunt in a daily mail story who managed to achieve that posthumous feat

It was nutter central coming home on the motorway today. must be people trying to get 'home' in time..

seems statistically inevitable. rotten bastard though eh xp

stupid question but is turnout a % of people who've registered to vote, or of all people of voting age etc?

the latter

I wonder about the effect that a remain vote will have on the right (especially the far right). The narrative has to change from Britain being a victim of Europe to something else. Their countrymen are no longer fellow victims but participants in their perceived oppression; collaborators or, at best, dupes. Obviously there is already a lot of that rhetoric on the far right, but I worry that it might increase it.

how long does it take for them to delete the croakers off the electoral register? There seems to have been a lot of dead voter fraud in the US in recent years but I can't recall much here.

how long does it take for them to delete the croakers off the electoral register?

back in the happy times of 2012 : when you registered a death, there was a single form that was for all various govt departments.

of course this may have been killed off, but i got a very quick acknowledgement re bh in regards to her benefits/electoral role etc.

was all rather impressive given the usual ineptitude that we have come to accept.

:(

who is the form team atm for tv coverage - bbc or itv?

Sorry I used such an indelicate term mark. I was more thinking about 90 year old Tories when I posted.

'so, if I vote for "Leave", that means "Leave it as it is?""