Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

maybe y'all can not leave and say you did.

― wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, June 24, 2016 5:54 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

keep thinking about that episode of Seinfeld where George quits his job and then comes into work the next day pretending nothing has happened (apologies if everyone on twitter has already made this observation)

we will sink our own boats and then make ourselves new ones

lol even he didn't want to leave. just another shithead who wanted to vote leave but get to remain

did you click the link mordy because i think it indicates the impossibility of appeasing xenophobic demagogues and not the nihilism of everything

TUSC opposes the EU as an ‘employers union’, implementing Thatcherism on a continental scale, and we welcome the decisive rejection of it in the referendum.

This was a revolt against a system that is not delivering for the majority of working class people and many middle class people too.

But Britain’s political and economic establishment no more defends the interests of the majority than the EU does and the vote for change that was expressed in Thursday’s poll will not be met by replacing one ex-Eton schoolboy with another.

The labour and trade union movement must follow up this massive vote of no confidence in the Tory government and demand a general election now.

I think for the TUSC everything is going to plan? Just one small matter to resolve and we're cool

yeah sorry just glanced and missed that it was pre vote

a billion xposts

you mean this sort of thing?
https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/746345810862940160

I swore AND shook my head, but tbf, the British are well conditioned to think their vote won't count for anything

(4 general elections and never once voted for the locally winning party, i.e. 4 votes gone straight in the bin)

so your vote is wasted if you don't win?

The lack of anybody even challenging whether a result like this is strong enough to be grounds for this much damage is depressing. Corbyn straight out the gate with "the people have spoken ah well".

Meanwhile the people are frantically googling "what is the EU?" to find out what they did.

xp I s'pose if you put it like that it's a fairly universal feature of voting systems, but, you vote for a candidate in your area, then the party with the most winning local candidates forms the govt

(even if another party receives more votes in total, and it makes no difference whether the second place candidate in each place gets 49.9% of the vote or 0.1% of the vote)

http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk/first-past-the-post

this is where we are now, apparently

George Eaton@georgeeaton

Senior Labour MP tells me party needs a "Michael Howard" figure. Hilary Benn, Tom Watson, Angela Eagle cited.

https://twitter.com/georgeeaton/status/746306615322808321

as in racist criminal Michael Howard?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1481818/Howard-puts-immigration-at-heart-of-election-battle.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/arrogant-howard-broke-law-1439801.html

NEW LABOUR IS BAAAAAACK

is it too late to repeal the secret ballot? when the younger generation seeks recompence for the attempted prolicide of these years, i'd like to have my voting record available as exculpatory evidence.

I guess they mean "caretaker leader who will inch the party back towards credibility before handing over to someone electable", with Corbyn being Labour's IDS equivalent?

this sounds grim:

Many Labour MPs accept that Corbyn would likely win any leadership contest owing to his mass support among party activists. But they are prepared to make multiple attempts. "If you’re going to go for it, you’ve got to accept that the first time he would come back and win," an MP told me. You’ve then got to be ready to go again. The first time will be a softening-up exercise. I don’t think he’d run again twice, I don’t think he has the guts for it.”

I know there has been a debate about whether Corbyn's name would automatically appear on the ballot if there is a leadership election, and if MPs could get away with not including him or if the backlash from part members would be too fierce. haven't they changed the nominations process so that MEPs nominate as well as MPs, making it harder for a potential left-wing successor to get on a ballot?

http://gawker.com/hours-after-brexit-vote-leader-of-leave-movement-adm-1782570341?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_facebook&utm_source=gawker_facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

^^^this is just amazing to me

it doesn't seem a big deal because you would have had to be a cretin to believe it in the first place. it was a non-promise made by people who wouldn't have the power or inclination to deliver it anyway.

right but surely it swung some voters?

When asked about the claim, Farage—one of the country’s most visible advocates for leaving the EU—countered that he specifically never made it, despite Leave campaigners having driven a tour bus with the £350 million figure on its side across the country.

it's probably relevant that the bus is part of the official Vote Leave campaign, which Farage was not involved in, UKIP had its own separate organisation? (fuck Nigel Farage though, obv)

did anyone really believe farage and his bus though? it was cut down before the paint was dry.

besides, he has said more o_O things:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-branded-shameful-for-claiming-victory-without-a-single-bullet-being-fired-a7099211.html

(this after a Remainer MP was shot and killed a week earlier)

how is the next general election going to go, do you think? given scotland's ended up in a landslide victory. yeah, it's nearly 4 years away, but i live in hope...

xxpost Some voters do get starry-eyed at the whispered promises they hear in the susurrus of the shitsacks voiding their contents onto the ground.

right but surely it swung some voters?

sure, perhaps, these things are said for political effect, but it's such a stupid claim and so transparent that i can't help but think anybody who accepted it at face value probably had a bunch of other reasons they were going to vote leave anyway. well, one reason, and it involved not liking non-English people.

if scotland does pass independence ref that'll screw uk left even more right?

screw what's left of uk left, sure

who's on first

Watson second

I know you were all waiting for Sarah Palin's scorching hot take, and here it is!

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...

The UK knew - it was that time. And now is that time in the USA.

The Brexit referendum is akin to our own Declaration of Independence. May that refreshed spirit of sovereignty spread over the pond to America’s shores!

Congratulations, smart Brits. Good on you for ignoring all the fear mongering from special interest globalists who tend to aim for that apocalyptic One World Government that dissolves a nation’s self-determination and sovereignty... the EU being a One World Government mini-me.

America can learn an encouraging lesson from this.

It is time to dissolve political bands that connect us to agendas not in our best interest. May UN shackles be next on the chopping block.

"UN shackles"

lol

only thing remotely similar in the us was california's gubernatorial recall election possibly

uk needs swiss style quarterly referenda

One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me

can you put shackles on a chopping block

I can't wait until Sarah Palin frees herself from the shackles of life.

Just before I move on to Acceptance, one last fling. There seem to be increasing noises from the EU about a 27-focuses conversation about reform and change. Any chance that'd be enough to say before October "look they've changed let's have another referendum"?

lol @ 'when in the course of human events'

awesome speech sarah, too bad this isn't a middle-school graduation ceremony

right but surely it swung some voters?

They also ran this advert on tv which lots of p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ idiots believed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlGN8wVnis

without clicking, there's an empty seat on the 'inside' side. that's good enough for me

omg I haven't seen those old phone booths for years.

some moron is crowing about this being britain's "berlin wall moment". well, sure, if by "berlin wall moment" you mean 1961.

can we feed sarah palin to wolves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUbtFw-mXgM

PJ Harvey, at a Dutch festival tonight, reading Donne's 'No Man Is An Island'. Bless her.

Hilarious how Starkey was shut up by Paris Lees (although I am not sure its as the vote lines are as clear-cut as young vs old) on Newsnight just now. xp

Fucking Starkey. Liked Powell earlier though.
God knows I'm not wishing for Blair back, but a Labour machine like they had that would be saturating the place with demands for an election asap would be welcome.

As in if you are young in the wrong place you perhaps are as likely to have voted 'out' as yer grandma. xp = I think that machine is more interested in fighting Corbz, i.e. the real enemy.

Yes

there's really nothing Clintonistas will not stoop to for idiotic analogies

― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 June 2016 17:25 (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fp for bringing yr shit here. centre, kinda centre left american politicians aren't welcome here, cos they aren't pulling a pint with real england, get yr shitty agenda outta here.

today i have felt horrible.

i have a very tory brother and i've always been able to have an open dialogue with him. this is not him. he voted for cameron, who... for whatever you might say about him has been head of state for some social equality things like gay marriage. i personally don't agree with the tory party rule of the nearly-past-decade but i can understand how someone votes for that, i can talk with a person who votes for that.

17+ million in this country have essentially said that david cameron's viewpoint is too moderate and this scares the shit out of me. as much as annoying can pretend yesterday was about fishing regulations and 'the man' and whatever, it was and will always be about fear of other people, and the majority of voters came out, often for the first time, to say they really despise people not like them. i'm sad and i don't really know how to respond to it.

It's not over, and not all 17 million were outright angry racists, and tomorrow i'll have to let of feelings go, because i need to get on with my life, but i understand why people have cried, and why the next 10 years in britain and europe is something to worry about. I just wish there was a genuine left that would be able to raise my voice.*

These are very all vague ranting but ffs what isn't today? The pound dropped to a low not seen since the 80s so I presume a lot of people have lost their jobs today or the very near future and that can't be vague to them...

*and as much as a wet rag corbyn's been, fucking liz kendall or whoever winning the race a year ago wouldn't exactly change it. yeah he's shit but who the fuck isn't atm?

OT, but otm. So tiresome to see Morbs post his jolly tweet quotes or jump at literally everything Mordy says for no reason other than to annoy. Xp

Tom E's A-Z of Brexit:
http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/146420642411/obsolete-units-surrounded-by-hail

Goodbye UK science programs
http://www.nature.com/news/researchers-reeling-as-uk-votes-to-leave-eu-1.20153
http://www.nature.com/news/how-scientists-reacted-to-the-brexit-1.20158

Slow clap for Cornwall
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html