Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

right but surely it swung some voters?

When asked about the claim, Farage—one of the country’s most visible advocates for leaving the EU—countered that he specifically never made it, despite Leave campaigners having driven a tour bus with the £350 million figure on its side across the country.

it's probably relevant that the bus is part of the official Vote Leave campaign, which Farage was not involved in, UKIP had its own separate organisation? (fuck Nigel Farage though, obv)

did anyone really believe farage and his bus though? it was cut down before the paint was dry.

besides, he has said more o_O things:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/eu-referendum-nigel-farage-branded-shameful-for-claiming-victory-without-a-single-bullet-being-fired-a7099211.html

(this after a Remainer MP was shot and killed a week earlier)

how is the next general election going to go, do you think? given scotland's ended up in a landslide victory. yeah, it's nearly 4 years away, but i live in hope...

xxpost Some voters do get starry-eyed at the whispered promises they hear in the susurrus of the shitsacks voiding their contents onto the ground.

right but surely it swung some voters?

sure, perhaps, these things are said for political effect, but it's such a stupid claim and so transparent that i can't help but think anybody who accepted it at face value probably had a bunch of other reasons they were going to vote leave anyway. well, one reason, and it involved not liking non-English people.

if scotland does pass independence ref that'll screw uk left even more right?

screw what's left of uk left, sure

who's on first

Watson second

I know you were all waiting for Sarah Palin's scorching hot take, and here it is!

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...

The UK knew - it was that time. And now is that time in the USA.

The Brexit referendum is akin to our own Declaration of Independence. May that refreshed spirit of sovereignty spread over the pond to America’s shores!

Congratulations, smart Brits. Good on you for ignoring all the fear mongering from special interest globalists who tend to aim for that apocalyptic One World Government that dissolves a nation’s self-determination and sovereignty... the EU being a One World Government mini-me.

America can learn an encouraging lesson from this.

It is time to dissolve political bands that connect us to agendas not in our best interest. May UN shackles be next on the chopping block.

"UN shackles"

lol

only thing remotely similar in the us was california's gubernatorial recall election possibly

uk needs swiss style quarterly referenda

One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me
One World Government mini-me

can you put shackles on a chopping block

I can't wait until Sarah Palin frees herself from the shackles of life.

Just before I move on to Acceptance, one last fling. There seem to be increasing noises from the EU about a 27-focuses conversation about reform and change. Any chance that'd be enough to say before October "look they've changed let's have another referendum"?

lol @ 'when in the course of human events'

awesome speech sarah, too bad this isn't a middle-school graduation ceremony

right but surely it swung some voters?

They also ran this advert on tv which lots of p̶e̶o̶p̶l̶e̶ idiots believed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtlGN8wVnis

without clicking, there's an empty seat on the 'inside' side. that's good enough for me

omg I haven't seen those old phone booths for years.

some moron is crowing about this being britain's "berlin wall moment". well, sure, if by "berlin wall moment" you mean 1961.

can we feed sarah palin to wolves?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUbtFw-mXgM

PJ Harvey, at a Dutch festival tonight, reading Donne's 'No Man Is An Island'. Bless her.

Hilarious how Starkey was shut up by Paris Lees (although I am not sure its as the vote lines are as clear-cut as young vs old) on Newsnight just now. xp

Fucking Starkey. Liked Powell earlier though.
God knows I'm not wishing for Blair back, but a Labour machine like they had that would be saturating the place with demands for an election asap would be welcome.

As in if you are young in the wrong place you perhaps are as likely to have voted 'out' as yer grandma. xp = I think that machine is more interested in fighting Corbz, i.e. the real enemy.

Yes

there's really nothing Clintonistas will not stoop to for idiotic analogies

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fp for bringing yr shit here. centre, kinda centre left american politicians aren't welcome here, cos they aren't pulling a pint with real england, get yr shitty agenda outta here.

today i have felt horrible.

i have a very tory brother and i've always been able to have an open dialogue with him. this is not him. he voted for cameron, who... for whatever you might say about him has been head of state for some social equality things like gay marriage. i personally don't agree with the tory party rule of the nearly-past-decade but i can understand how someone votes for that, i can talk with a person who votes for that.

17+ million in this country have essentially said that david cameron's viewpoint is too moderate and this scares the shit out of me. as much as annoying can pretend yesterday was about fishing regulations and 'the man' and whatever, it was and will always be about fear of other people, and the majority of voters came out, often for the first time, to say they really despise people not like them. i'm sad and i don't really know how to respond to it.

It's not over, and not all 17 million were outright angry racists, and tomorrow i'll have to let of feelings go, because i need to get on with my life, but i understand why people have cried, and why the next 10 years in britain and europe is something to worry about. I just wish there was a genuine left that would be able to raise my voice.*

These are very all vague ranting but ffs what isn't today? The pound dropped to a low not seen since the 80s so I presume a lot of people have lost their jobs today or the very near future and that can't be vague to them...

*and as much as a wet rag corbyn's been, fucking liz kendall or whoever winning the race a year ago wouldn't exactly change it. yeah he's shit but who the fuck isn't atm?

OT, but otm. So tiresome to see Morbs post his jolly tweet quotes or jump at literally everything Mordy says for no reason other than to annoy. Xp

Tom E's A-Z of Brexit:
http://tomewing.tumblr.com/post/146420642411/obsolete-units-surrounded-by-hail

Goodbye UK science programs
http://www.nature.com/news/researchers-reeling-as-uk-votes-to-leave-eu-1.20153
http://www.nature.com/news/how-scientists-reacted-to-the-brexit-1.20158

Slow clap for Cornwall
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html

Fuck cornwall obv

they keep playing this clip of these dickheads with gelled hair wearing waistcoats and waving tiny lil union jack flags

t/s: ill manors vs we want war

it was and will always be about fear of other people, and the majority of voters came out, often for the first time, to say they really despise people not like them. i'm sad and i don't really know how to respond to it.

I feel ya. I spend my days around ppl saying this kind of thing pretty openly and it def has an emotional cost for me to not only not say what I think but just to weather the storm, so to speak. Being around their fear & hate is draining. One day after witnessing the usual grind + some violent slurs & outbursts in a short time, I just started sobbing in the car, overwhelmed that the world is just so shitty and it's because of people.

Idk what to tell you tho I haven't found any kind of solution except to fix things with my hands and have pleasurable experiences to stave off the hectic despair.

http://i.imgur.com/JLl2ooD.jpg

I used to work in a call centre, you'd pick up the phone to the customer and say hello your through to (name) at (name of company). Two or three times a day I'd hear someone say to a customer 'I'm sorry, I can't transfer you to another advisor for that reason', and I finally clocked that it was only Asian staff who were saying this, and they were saying it in response to customers saying 'Why should I have to speak to a foreigner'. Then I realised why I would sometimes get 'Oh I'm so glad your name's (European name)'.

*you're

Apparently it's not okay to call Leave voters bigoted tho

i was just out in homerton - went to a late bar there after being out in clapton with 6/7 irish friends. in the bar in homerton, which plays music p loud, a bunch of four or five guys came in. seemed pretty normal-looking, not dangerous or big bruisers, one in a west ham top. after a while they started chanting, to the tune of the chant irish football fans do: "vote leave, fuck the boys in green". then later it became "na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye" with them all pointing at us.

incredibly weird - never experienced that kind of thing in london. they really looked like as if they might have been doing this to take the piss, rather than actual stereotypical racists. i know how ridiculous it sounds, but i also don't know how seriously to take it. they weren't bellowing it out, but they were seemingly trying to start some kind of incident. i was having a fun night with pals and i'm hypersensitive to this kind of thing, so i just said i can't be around this kind of thing (prob cos i'd have reacted violently even though i am in no way a fighter, ever, but equally these guys looked kinda nerdy/middle class) and then i walked home as quickly as i could.

really weird, like a bad omen.

i know "normal-looking" is some bullshit...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2016/jun/24/what-do-young-people-think-about-brexit-video

jesus

that's fucking horrible LG. brown-skinned friend of mine got nazi saluted by a giggling pair of men in the street the other day. it's not just about the legitimisation of this the victory of the out campaign seems to have had, it's a weird apparent "bantz" aspect to it.

from the safety of being over here i find myself wishing you'd fucking popped one of them

and that's how it goes, of course

anyway i appreciate yr sanity (and safety!)

http://i.imgur.com/JLl2ooD.jpg

this is the same situation as the US, where the most right-wing, "anti Big Government" states (deep south, mostly) are also the ones most dependent on the federal gov't.

in some ways you can see this as a kind of perverse, self-hating reaction against dependency... their own dependency.

it's been constructed and encouraged tho. it's been happening for years. the narrative of "independence", in the US, harking back to pioneering spirit, has in the UK become Empire + council house sell-off, curiously, and is used to divide the idea of nation from the responsibilities and capabilities of the state.

the auto-didactic intellectual and religious non-conformism of the industrial revolution has gone, as has the industry. I don't know whether that dual disappearance was inevitable, but the catastrophic thatcherite annihilation of manufacturing industry went hand in hand with that use of isolationist images and language - aspiration (leaving) rather than inclusion. and of course the creation of ingurland. as i say i do think the sell off council housing was hugely significant in this respect, as it could be used to finance and give weight to the illusion of aspirational rhetoric. fucking hollow now of course.

in other words I don't see it as perverse or self-hating on the part of the electorate. it's fucking hard to see a way out of it if that's the only language that's used. europe as institution a realky hard sell as well. untanglinh the "faceless bureaucrats" tag is dull as fuck, and has just enough truth for it to be hard to carry conviction. the fact that civil services and complicated legal arrangements are necessary for the running of any sort of state - esp federated states - is never going to be a useful headline.

this is amazing

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/covers/287x361front/2016-06-25.jpg