Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

Slow clap for Cornwall
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-cornwall-issues-plea-for-funding-protection-after-county-overwhelmingly-votes-in-favour-of-a7101311.html

Fuck cornwall obv

they keep playing this clip of these dickheads with gelled hair wearing waistcoats and waving tiny lil union jack flags

t/s: ill manors vs we want war

it was and will always be about fear of other people, and the majority of voters came out, often for the first time, to say they really despise people not like them. i'm sad and i don't really know how to respond to it.

I feel ya. I spend my days around ppl saying this kind of thing pretty openly and it def has an emotional cost for me to not only not say what I think but just to weather the storm, so to speak. Being around their fear & hate is draining. One day after witnessing the usual grind + some violent slurs & outbursts in a short time, I just started sobbing in the car, overwhelmed that the world is just so shitty and it's because of people.

Idk what to tell you tho I haven't found any kind of solution except to fix things with my hands and have pleasurable experiences to stave off the hectic despair.

http://i.imgur.com/JLl2ooD.jpg

I used to work in a call centre, you'd pick up the phone to the customer and say hello your through to (name) at (name of company). Two or three times a day I'd hear someone say to a customer 'I'm sorry, I can't transfer you to another advisor for that reason', and I finally clocked that it was only Asian staff who were saying this, and they were saying it in response to customers saying 'Why should I have to speak to a foreigner'. Then I realised why I would sometimes get 'Oh I'm so glad your name's (European name)'.

*you're

Apparently it's not okay to call Leave voters bigoted tho

i was just out in homerton - went to a late bar there after being out in clapton with 6/7 irish friends. in the bar in homerton, which plays music p loud, a bunch of four or five guys came in. seemed pretty normal-looking, not dangerous or big bruisers, one in a west ham top. after a while they started chanting, to the tune of the chant irish football fans do: "vote leave, fuck the boys in green". then later it became "na na, na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye" with them all pointing at us.

incredibly weird - never experienced that kind of thing in london. they really looked like as if they might have been doing this to take the piss, rather than actual stereotypical racists. i know how ridiculous it sounds, but i also don't know how seriously to take it. they weren't bellowing it out, but they were seemingly trying to start some kind of incident. i was having a fun night with pals and i'm hypersensitive to this kind of thing, so i just said i can't be around this kind of thing (prob cos i'd have reacted violently even though i am in no way a fighter, ever, but equally these guys looked kinda nerdy/middle class) and then i walked home as quickly as i could.

really weird, like a bad omen.

i know "normal-looking" is some bullshit...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/video/2016/jun/24/what-do-young-people-think-about-brexit-video

jesus

that's fucking horrible LG. brown-skinned friend of mine got nazi saluted by a giggling pair of men in the street the other day. it's not just about the legitimisation of this the victory of the out campaign seems to have had, it's a weird apparent "bantz" aspect to it.

from the safety of being over here i find myself wishing you'd fucking popped one of them

and that's how it goes, of course

anyway i appreciate yr sanity (and safety!)

http://i.imgur.com/JLl2ooD.jpg

this is the same situation as the US, where the most right-wing, "anti Big Government" states (deep south, mostly) are also the ones most dependent on the federal gov't.

in some ways you can see this as a kind of perverse, self-hating reaction against dependency... their own dependency.

it's been constructed and encouraged tho. it's been happening for years. the narrative of "independence", in the US, harking back to pioneering spirit, has in the UK become Empire + council house sell-off, curiously, and is used to divide the idea of nation from the responsibilities and capabilities of the state.

the auto-didactic intellectual and religious non-conformism of the industrial revolution has gone, as has the industry. I don't know whether that dual disappearance was inevitable, but the catastrophic thatcherite annihilation of manufacturing industry went hand in hand with that use of isolationist images and language - aspiration (leaving) rather than inclusion. and of course the creation of ingurland. as i say i do think the sell off council housing was hugely significant in this respect, as it could be used to finance and give weight to the illusion of aspirational rhetoric. fucking hollow now of course.

in other words I don't see it as perverse or self-hating on the part of the electorate. it's fucking hard to see a way out of it if that's the only language that's used. europe as institution a realky hard sell as well. untanglinh the "faceless bureaucrats" tag is dull as fuck, and has just enough truth for it to be hard to carry conviction. the fact that civil services and complicated legal arrangements are necessary for the running of any sort of state - esp federated states - is never going to be a useful headline.

this is amazing

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/covers/287x361front/2016-06-25.jpg

so is this

http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CoverStory-BarryBlitt-SillyWalkOffaCliff-875x1200-1466799391.jpg

i dunno, don't really like those Walkers Sensations, too hard

"World's Most Successful Newspaper Crusade Ends In Glorious Victory For Your Daily Express" is equal parts Borat and North Korean propaganda, combined with 'Children of Men' style 'UK stands firm' posturing.

i shot a man in reno just to watch him die

good luck uk

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/06/24/aaliberation-xlarge_trans++_Hs-GDo9an2Vml8A2d7wIO_o1CcHhXARI50Txb6eOA0.jpg

I was angry this morning walking through town. It wasn't difficult to spot the grinning shitcocks who'd voted Leave, acting as though they'd just won the lottery. Which might not be a bad analogy, since most big lottery winners are flat broke again within three years. But I'm feeling bereft now. There's some English victim mentality where we're always thinking of ourselves as the loser, the oppressed, even when things have gone exactly the way we want. All the times the EU made exceptions for the UK, all the special deals and opt-out clauses, seems to have been completely forgotten.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/RWS_Tarot_12_Hanged_Man.jpg

(xp)

Polly LOL for the morning

If Ukip had its fair share of MPs, sunlight would have exposed that quarrelsome ragbag of often nasty eccentrics, just as Hodge saw off Barking’s 12 chaotic BNP councillors. Denying those voters a voice helps explain why those anti-EU, anti-foreigner emotions erupted so disastrously on Thursday.

Hodge, MP for Barking, one of two London constituencies that voted Leave.

Or was it three? Barking and Sutton.

Polly obviously still certain that the Labour party shouldn't have anything to offer those voters

Five. Barking and Dagenham, Bexley, Havering, Hillingdon and Sutton. Not sure Hodge has denied any racists a voice, tbh. xp

I haven't seen any jubilation in my area yet. Everyone seems as miserable as ever.

I haven't seen any triumphalism in my area - i wouldn't be surprised if most of them haven't voted on my road. There are a few george cross flags hanging out of windows as always during the Euros.

Thanks.

Polly talks about Leave winning there as an existential problem. One which hasn't translated to a Leave vote in other boroughs - some of them wrestling with similar problems as Barking. From Polly's account its: let the racists win because they are terrible at the day-to-day job, hence the 12 BNP councillors who were 'seen off' (don't know the whole story but that's what it sounds like).

Well Polly leave have won. Maybe once they fuck it all up we can see them off too. There might be not be much that 'remains'.

That was an xp

Heard a remark on Newsnight that Schäuble et al. wanted to give UK a trade deal that is comparable to Turkey, not Norway. Saw an interview with a cafe owner this morning and it was all 'they won't cut us off'.

But much of the narrative was that we could trade with other continents countries and its a big world so that is that.

only 24 hours ofc & a lot of politics still to go but some scottish unionists (activists & columnists mostly, no politicians understandably) making some interesting noises north of the border this morning

how do you mean?

http://jackofkent.com/2016/06/why-the-article-50-notification-is-important/

This piece feeds into the 'this is happening' exchanges above.

He's been saying that for days if not weeks. Ditto on 'British Bill of Rights'

petition's now hit 1m signatures.
Vaguely wondering what the outcome of a theoretical second referendum today would be. Not sure much would change.

I saw Ian Paisley jr was encouraging anyone who qualified to get dual citizenship if they could yesterday. Not sure the big man would have approved.

Strange days.

that jack of kent piece is exactly what i've been thinking. i can't see a brexit actually happening, and this bit is so so so otm:

The fact is that the longer the Article 50 notification is put off, the greater the chance it will never be made at all. This is because the longer the delay, the more likely it will be that events will intervene or excuses will be contrived.

Haven't heard much from Gove have we? Or I've missed it. Getting an impression that some Brexit politicians are shitting themselves tbh.

michael gove was speaking on a platform yesterday with boris johnson when he said we wouldn't do anything hasty along with their friend gisela stuart

This is not some policy that will not be implemented because its too bureaucratic or difficult to do so. I can see it being triggered unless Boris campaigns in a general election on a platform of 'lets use this to negotiate our position'. But I don't see Brussels as giving enough of a shit to give any concessions, and if they do other countries can set-up their own referendums. Not something that club would allow.

Vaguely wondering what the outcome of a theoretical second referendum today would be. Not sure much would change.

There is a vague sense of 'what have we done' from a small constituency of the Leave voters that has been bought on by Cameron's swift resignation. You can only laugh.

idk, Juncker and Schäuble have pretty much told Britain to get on with it. Cameron didn't want to be the one to push the button so has deferred it for three months so someone else has to. Europe would probably want to keep the UK as part of the EU but not at any cost and not if it means three or four years of uncertainty as the country makes it's mind up whether it's serious or not. I can't see any Tory leader not promising exit from the EU getting elected, any real reason why a second referendum would be politically viable or how it could fail to solidify UKIP as a serious threat to the Conservatives if it came about.

What is clear, though, is that the Leave camp, which isn't exactly formed of the best and brightest to begin with, have absolutely no idea what they are going to do next. The calls to avoid hasty decisions are because they haven't got a strategy beyond 'leave the EU' not necessarily because they are having second thoughts.

I'm seeing a fair number of the IndyRef No lot changing their minds quite vocally. But early days like Cozen says xp

early days indeed but feel fairly positive that the big question mark no placed over scotland's future eu membership was the major deciding factor for at least 12% of no voters

What is clear, though, is that the Leave camp, which isn't exactly formed of the best and brightest to begin with, have absolutely no idea what they are going to do next. The calls to avoid hasty decisions are because they haven't got a strategy beyond 'leave the EU' not necessarily because they are having second thoughts.

and also, "leaving the eu" in actual legal fact seems to be a p wildly protracted political process rather than an action. it is fascinating bureaucracy, if you can put aside the horror.

given a ladder, who's not going to want to climb out of the pool as it slowly fills up with shit? the rest of us will only be able to roll up our trousers and hold our noses

I think there's a load of buyers remorse in England. They are realising all the benefits of Europe they'll lose. They just need a face-saving way of backtracking.

Powell was OTM last night. Need an election, need a party campaigning to stay in or re-run the vote at least.