Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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Thank goodness someone is around to remind us Corbyn is the opposition leader. Can't wait till someone reminds him.

a goon shaped fule (onimo), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:17 (seven years ago) link

NBS otm. if you think this country is unusually reactionary and intolerant and vulnerable to racist populism right now, imagine what it would be like if the "establishment" attempt to overrule the vote.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:21 (seven years ago) link

there was a lot of commentbox fuck off sentiment around the referendum, given time to contemplate what it would mean for the uk's international power they would probably be unlikely to agree - these are mostly authoritarians and fans of 'the forces' etc

yes, when the scottish referendum was first mooted there was a lot of 'lol fuck off then' from... well, might as well call them fascists from here on in in i guess, but when polling day drew near and there were a couple of opinion poll leads for 'Yes', it was striking how fervently English nationalists rallied to the defence of the union. English nationalism almost impossible to disentangle from british nationalism imo, so probably impossible for scotland to secede on anything approaching amicable terms. Which doesn't mean it won't happen: the increasing bitterness which is likely to colour anglo-scottish relations from here on probably makes independence more likely. The days of George Osborne being a bit threatening about the pound will be looked back on as a golden age of cross-border mutual respect and co-operation.

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:23 (seven years ago) link

Thank goodness someone is around to remind us Corbyn is the opposition leader. Can't wait till someone reminds him.

I think he knows tho. Some ppl have maybe watched a few too many superhero films and have unrealistic expectations of what a political leader is meant 2 be doing

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah that one film about a person with an actual spine

coygbiv (NickB), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:27 (seven years ago) link

I do like Corbyn and (most) of his policies.

But he just won't get elected. Not that because the electorate won't like him, but the press would be awful about it and he won't be heard.

Jill, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:28 (seven years ago) link

Takes a superhero to have the constitutional fate of he uk and ongoing descent into racist populism rate above a "7" on his list of priorities?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:29 (seven years ago) link

His two main points have been that the referendum result needs to be respected (against the wishes of Labour voters) and that migrants can't be scapegoated any more (against the wishes of a lot of leave voters). He might not be making the right calls but he's not making the easy ones.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link

^

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:30 (seven years ago) link

'with an actual spine' lol fuck off armchair general cunt

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:31 (seven years ago) link

corbynista lowering tone of debate there with hideous online abuse. But seriously, i'm sure the corbyn haterz will get their way next week, and i wish them luck with their fixation on the cult of personality and hope that the glib PPE gimp elected to replace Him will manage to paper over the enormous contradictions of the labour party as currently constituted

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:35 (seven years ago) link

i think magic squaddie dan jarvis will bring the help for heroes masses onside

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:37 (seven years ago) link

The only thing that matters now is that Labour be responsible for the shape of post-EU Britain and not the Tories. Everything else is a sideshow imo.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:37 (seven years ago) link

http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article5669132.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Dan-Jarvis-main.jpg
he's ready and "up to the job"

calzino, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:38 (seven years ago) link

what better way to break from the labour party's toxic legacies in iraq & afghanistan

just in time for chilcot too

cozen, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link

Well Hilary Benn has set the ball rolling, it seems. I suspect that Corbyn will not renew his candidacy if he is ousted.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link

So much for phew, indeed
Vote split // On the #EUref result (Remain / Leave):
Happy: 4% / 92%
Unhappy: 88% / 1%
Indifferent: 7% / 5%
(via ComRes)

stet, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:42 (seven years ago) link

am i reading that right? 1% of people who voted to leave are unhappy with the result?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link

that's only 175,000 people regretting their choice

coygbiv (NickB), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link

of course the thought of a corbyn led labour party actually winning power is even more repugnant to much (most?) of the PLP than corbyn being unelectable.

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link

xp That's what ComRes say. NB: ComRes pretty bad at polling in the run-up, and some questions over this one. YouGov shold be better.

stet, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link

what % of leave voters are motivated by lust for chaos

schlump, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:48 (seven years ago) link

I'm motivated by lust for chaos which is why I voted remain: Leave slogan 'it's riskier to stay in' was decisive 4 me

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:50 (seven years ago) link

Perhaps they could've had 'how would you feel about leaving the EU' and then you have to circle an emoji

― kinder, Saturday, June 25, 2016 8:18 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kinder, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:51 (seven years ago) link

I voted remain but i'm now happy leave won but i want the refernedum to b run again so remain might win but i wd probably vote leave in that event how u like them apples ComRes

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:52 (seven years ago) link

guy i went to school with who posted this on facebook on thursday morning. he works for capita now.

"Still can't decide. I know it's daft but a part of me wants to vote out to see what will happen. Something more interesting than the boring status quo. I'll see which box my pencil wanders tomorrow morning..."

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link

His two main points have been that the referendum result needs to be respected (against the wishes of Labour voters) and that migrants can't be scapegoated any more (against the wishes of a lot of leave voters). He might not be making the right calls but he's not making the easy ones.

― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Saturday, June 25, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They look both difficult and right calls to me

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:54 (seven years ago) link

Lame anarchism - another 500K worth of votes

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link

Suspect there is a very strong correlation between leave voters and people who frequently use the crying with laugher emoji http://emojipedia-us.s3.amazonaws.com/cache/94/f0/94f03e8e72647373f93d5271ee594cfb.png

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Saturday, 25 June 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link

Nick Clegg called it. Even down to the total dearth of trade negotiators https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/will-wake-vote-leave/

stet, Saturday, 25 June 2016 23:32 (seven years ago) link

It turns out the US doesn't have enough trade negotiators to deal with this either: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/out-of-luck

El Tomboto, Saturday, 25 June 2016 23:36 (seven years ago) link

Well Hilary Benn has set the ball rolling, it seems. I suspect that Corbyn will not renew his candidacy if he is ousted.

― Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, June 25, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Be disappointing if he didn't stand but its been on the cards ever since he has been elected. Ultimately I would want to see Corbyn fighting a gen election as it would probably mean many of these PLP idiots losing their seats (of course keeping their jobs: why they are doing this) - ultimately a split with the Corbyn faction keeping the Labour 'brand' might be something worth the fight. Probably not at this point in proceedings.

You could get a refined version of Red UKIP with War hero Dan at the helm but keeping the actual UKIP march at bay would be offset by losses in metropolitan areas that are pro-Corbyn? Maybe people in London and Manchester have infinite patience with the PLP and they would come out anyway.

At the least the media management would be satisfactory from now on.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 June 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link

Wow at those two links. Clegg's summary is pretty impressive.

Xpost

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 25 June 2016 23:43 (seven years ago) link

I think i sort of get the trade negotiation thing. But if the US DOESN'T negotiate a trade deal with the UK over the next few years, what does that mean again exactly? There will still be trade, it will just be on... unfavorable terms?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 25 June 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link

It's smart LibDem season. Farron pledging to go back into the EU http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/06/liberal-democrats-pledge-take-britain-back-european-union

xp yes, I think companies would then pay the same import/export rates that private citizens do. Which can be pretty huge.

stet, Saturday, 25 June 2016 23:55 (seven years ago) link

Merkel in no rush for Article 50 http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-eu-referendum-angela-merkel-britain-to-decide-on-start-of-eu-separation-talks/

stet, Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:00 (seven years ago) link

I have to say Farron is quite impressive too. He's bold and calm and seems fearless. I guess he doesn't have Anyang to lose but I like what he's saying.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link

Anything *

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:05 (seven years ago) link

I think i sort of get the trade negotiation thing. But if the US DOESN'T negotiate a trade deal with the UK over the next few years, what does that mean again exactly? There will still be trade, it will just be on... unfavorable terms?

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 June 2016 9:51 AM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Unfavourable, with higher tariffs and more complex. Having worked on a bunch of impiety contracts recently, it's likely that every contract and every piece of accounting work will have to be redone, which will be time consuming and expensive, and probably end up less favourable for British companies as hey won't be an entrepΓ΄t for Europe, just dealing on behalf of a single, small market.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:13 (seven years ago) link

Good lord that article jed posted about the town in Wales is insane and makes me scared about Trump

Steve Gunn Mann-Dude (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:16 (seven years ago) link

The Politico article about how Cameron lost was very good, I thought - I agree that it's not Corbyn's job to dig Cameron out of his own hole.

It also confirms something that I was about to suggest - that what his job is, is not to have a southern version of the IndyRef, to stand 'with' the Tories but definitely not beside them.

Looking at all the possible 'escape routes' being sought, a question for you remainers: would you really want gov to pass by the result of the referendum? Or to have a second referendum even?

Yes absolutely yes definitely yes - what possible benefit is there for sifting around for the scintillas of "the view of the people", when what we're discussing is the UK leaving (and possibly breaking) the EU?

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:43 (seven years ago) link

Corbyn sacks Benn.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:47 (seven years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36632539

Cosmic Slop, Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:56 (seven years ago) link

great job Labour

Η‚bait (seandalai), Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:58 (seven years ago) link

Osborne apparently making calls for support now. I wonder what his stance on A50 would be? Something that makes life difficult for Labour is the usual answer.

stet, Sunday, 26 June 2016 00:59 (seven years ago) link

I can't believe there won't be an election before the end of the year now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 26 June 2016 01:01 (seven years ago) link

lol labour party be like a spy vs spy strip these days

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 26 June 2016 01:02 (seven years ago) link

Something that makes life difficult for Labour is the usual answer.

Osborne's political career has foundered on the rocks of there actually being more to politics than the zero-sum game of labour v tory. He's finished. Off you fuck to the American free market think tank lecture circuit.

So you are a hippocrite, face it! (Bananaman Begins), Sunday, 26 June 2016 01:06 (seven years ago) link

o no, now who will give our bombing of other nations the moral sheen it requires

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 June 2016 01:08 (seven years ago) link


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