Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

UKIP's so-called vision receives a highly enthusiastic hearing from most of the media and politicians are sympathetic/'understand'. xps

If anyone can see a more popular / inspirational leader on the list of people with 1% to 20% of the support Corbyn has within the party, now's the time to shout.

http://i.imgur.com/tn9TdPC.jpg

Hannan got rinsed by his followers after saying that he didn't really think ending EU immigration was a good idea and has taken to the hills in response.

arguments about Corbyn's persona/media savvy/presence are exactly the same as the right of his own party are using and i have to assume come from the same political instincts

and we've already got a Lib Dem thread

Blair's vision, for better or worse, was an upwardly mobile, post-industrial Britain; capitalism with a safety net. You may not agree with it but that was what he was selling and it won him 3 elections. Of course it laid the foundations for where we are now, crushing inequality as whole swathes of society were left behind. Nonetheless he was selling a dream and people bought it. Labour needs to sell an option on new future and Corbyn doesn't seem to be able to do it.

Andy Burnham's already said the party needs to be more racist tho so he looks like an idea replacement

it's not just a question of disagreeing with Blair's platform: it was dishonest, incoherent, untenable, and it involved destroying the only broad-based left party in the country that represented working class people in any way

but he won tho, tbf. so the question is: what's the point of a winning Labour party with no Labour values?

They will at least feel bad when they push us over a cliff.

of course!

The economy in a post-crash world is not able to support capitalism with a safety net or any such nonsense. Blair did not have a dream to offer, its what was before him.

The crushing inequality was v much there before Blair - he offered them nothing. xps

lucy powell gone

ian murray gone

What we need is charisma with no substance.

Corbyn could totally make up for his media issues with a strong cabinet behind him carpeting the media. But does the PLP have enough Corbynites to stock one? Sure doesn't look that way.

Andy Burnham ‏@andyburnhammp 9m9 minutes ago Wigan, England
At an uncertain time like this for our country, I cannot see how it makes sense for the Opposition to plunge itself into a civil war. 1/3

Andy Burnham ‏@andyburnhammp 7m7 minutes ago Wigan, England
I have never taken part in a coup against any Leader of the Labour Party and I am not going to start now. 2/3

Andy Burnham ‏@andyburnhammp 6m6 minutes ago Wigan, England
It is for our members to decide who leads our Party & 10 months ago they gave Jeremy Corbyn a resounding mandate. I respect that & them. 3/3

something going on w/labour in scotland. suspicions they might break for pro-indy

ex SLAB chairman now more likely to support yes
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1358674-former-scottish-labour-chair-likely-to-back-independence/

I'm not going to disagree with any of that. Blair destroyed the Labour Party as it was, but Milliband and Corbyn have failed to revive it.If the electoral system was fairer then a podemos style popular movement would work, it's not, though so someone has to Polly he party together and reconnect with the people it's meant to represent.

failure to install a decent PR system when he had the power just one of Blair's lesser evils, true

Yeah Scot Lab is definitely massing to break

Labour doesn't need another Blair, it needs to find its own Nichola Sturgeon.

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needs to find about 25 million voters who don't love free markets and racism

these are interesting:

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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 5m5 minutes ago

I value leaders who are seen as "soft" because I don't believe in aggressiveness or dominance when negotiating politics.
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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 6m6 minutes ago

Wanting a leader to be dominant and aggressive is basically the end for me bc you're asking Corbyn to embody toxic masculinity.
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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 7m7 minutes ago

People have called Obama weak several times, and it's because he doesn't do politics aggressively like people expect men to do.
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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 8m8 minutes ago

calling Corbyn a weak leader is essentially the disapproval of how he does politics in a softer, more consequential style.

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Visual reminder of how immigration played in Leave camp narrative.34 front pages this yr compiled by @gameoldgirl

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl4HTMyVYAAq9FI.jpg

Yeah remember that time Obama ran away from reporters

Express and Mail journalists, a great bunch of lads

It's not about aggression it is about clarity. Obama does well because he demonstrates a clarity of vision and purpose coupled with the real sense that he genuinely cares about people.

except muslims at weddings

I do think there's something to the arguments that xyzzzz__ posted, but if Corbyn was as good a politician as Obama is we wouldn't be in this situation.

Obama talks to Fox News, who are only marginally better than the Mail.

Either way, this fucking coup is ridiculous. It has totally diverted attention away from the real question of where the fucking leave leadership is.

it's a completely different political system and Obama is far to the right of Corbyn and hasn't delivered half of what he might have wanted

Gary Nevilles out of a job right now

Blair's vision, for better or worse, was an upwardly mobile, post-industrial Britain; capitalism with a safety net. You may not agree with it but that was what he was selling and it won him 3 elections. Of course it laid the foundations for where we are now, crushing inequality as whole swathes of society were left behind. Nonetheless he was selling a dream and people bought it. Labour needs to sell an option on new future and Corbyn doesn't seem to be able to do it.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed)

not really fair to blame blair on this considering this happened globally. i can't imagine any possible british leadership in the period in question that wouldn't have brought the uk to roughly the same place.

Just noticed it's pretty much all women who have walked out on Corbyn so far

*hears distant sound of Suzanne Moore sharpening pencil*

guys we need to start doing something, now. and by we mean us. possibly biggest postwar political settlement? we can't leave it to these morons! i'm absolutely serious

Move to Scotland. Scotland Needs Immigrants. Mars Needs Women.

you lot have seen this right?

http://news.sky.com/story/1717815/second-referendum-petition-was-set-up-by-outer

The petition for a second referendum on EU membership was set up by a leave campaigner a month ago

yeah but loads of desperate remainers signed it

posted it on the 77 thread. There is a simple kind of beauty in the story. It's still shit though.

Derren Brown tweeted a link to it saying 'EU rules say if vote is less than 60% (it was) based a turnout less than 75% (it was), then a 2nd referendum.' People have been reading "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum" as 'follow this rule that exists', apparently? For the millionth time this weekend I do not understand how people think.

This is just brilliant

https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/747055676413845504

The petition is meaningless illiterate drivel, and a re-run the second worst way forward. But I feel the signers.

it seems to me that

1) labour have got to win the next election
2) the next election has to happen well before EU regulations lose their force

do i have that about right? whatever furthers that goal i'm for. whatever cuts against it i'm against.

If not already Cameron will go down as a witless coward by both sides at least.

my impression is that it mostly comes down to scotland ref at this point? if they bolt left-wing politics in uk is fucked for the indefinite future.

If they are barely indistinguishable from the Tories I really don't see the urgency of 1)

"vote for us and we will ignore the democratic process oh wait"

I think Labour's main selling point is that they're indistinguishable from *half* the Tory party.

nine resignations from the shadow cabinet now. that's about a third of its membership.