Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

needs to find about 25 million voters who don't love free markets and racism

these are interesting:

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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 5m5 minutes ago

I value leaders who are seen as "soft" because I don't believe in aggressiveness or dominance when negotiating politics.
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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 6m6 minutes ago

Wanting a leader to be dominant and aggressive is basically the end for me bc you're asking Corbyn to embody toxic masculinity.
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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 7m7 minutes ago

People have called Obama weak several times, and it's because he doesn't do politics aggressively like people expect men to do.
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Nicole Froio ‏@NicoleFroio 8m8 minutes ago

calling Corbyn a weak leader is essentially the disapproval of how he does politics in a softer, more consequential style.

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Visual reminder of how immigration played in Leave camp narrative.34 front pages this yr compiled by @gameoldgirl

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl4HTMyVYAAq9FI.jpg

Yeah remember that time Obama ran away from reporters

Express and Mail journalists, a great bunch of lads

It's not about aggression it is about clarity. Obama does well because he demonstrates a clarity of vision and purpose coupled with the real sense that he genuinely cares about people.

except muslims at weddings

I do think there's something to the arguments that xyzzzz__ posted, but if Corbyn was as good a politician as Obama is we wouldn't be in this situation.

Obama talks to Fox News, who are only marginally better than the Mail.

Either way, this fucking coup is ridiculous. It has totally diverted attention away from the real question of where the fucking leave leadership is.

it's a completely different political system and Obama is far to the right of Corbyn and hasn't delivered half of what he might have wanted

Gary Nevilles out of a job right now

Blair's vision, for better or worse, was an upwardly mobile, post-industrial Britain; capitalism with a safety net. You may not agree with it but that was what he was selling and it won him 3 elections. Of course it laid the foundations for where we are now, crushing inequality as whole swathes of society were left behind. Nonetheless he was selling a dream and people bought it. Labour needs to sell an option on new future and Corbyn doesn't seem to be able to do it.

― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed)

not really fair to blame blair on this considering this happened globally. i can't imagine any possible british leadership in the period in question that wouldn't have brought the uk to roughly the same place.

Just noticed it's pretty much all women who have walked out on Corbyn so far

*hears distant sound of Suzanne Moore sharpening pencil*

guys we need to start doing something, now. and by we mean us. possibly biggest postwar political settlement? we can't leave it to these morons! i'm absolutely serious

Move to Scotland. Scotland Needs Immigrants. Mars Needs Women.

you lot have seen this right?

http://news.sky.com/story/1717815/second-referendum-petition-was-set-up-by-outer

The petition for a second referendum on EU membership was set up by a leave campaigner a month ago

yeah but loads of desperate remainers signed it

posted it on the 77 thread. There is a simple kind of beauty in the story. It's still shit though.

Derren Brown tweeted a link to it saying 'EU rules say if vote is less than 60% (it was) based a turnout less than 75% (it was), then a 2nd referendum.' People have been reading "We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum" as 'follow this rule that exists', apparently? For the millionth time this weekend I do not understand how people think.

This is just brilliant

https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/747055676413845504

The petition is meaningless illiterate drivel, and a re-run the second worst way forward. But I feel the signers.

it seems to me that

1) labour have got to win the next election
2) the next election has to happen well before EU regulations lose their force

do i have that about right? whatever furthers that goal i'm for. whatever cuts against it i'm against.

If not already Cameron will go down as a witless coward by both sides at least.

my impression is that it mostly comes down to scotland ref at this point? if they bolt left-wing politics in uk is fucked for the indefinite future.

If they are barely indistinguishable from the Tories I really don't see the urgency of 1)

"vote for us and we will ignore the democratic process oh wait"

I think Labour's main selling point is that they're indistinguishable from *half* the Tory party.

nine resignations from the shadow cabinet now. that's about a third of its membership.

great bunch of lads

just two weeks til Chilcot too

was suprised to read recently (on John Rentoul's twitter , lol) that the turnover of Labour MPs has been such that there are only about 50 of them left who voted for Iraq war. 8 of them were in shadow cabinet (until yesterday at least): Benn, Bryant, Burnham, Coaker, both Eagles, Watson and Winterton

If they are barely indistinguishable from the Tories I really don't see the urgency of 1)

who else do you see beating the tories?

There's a pretty substantial risk that centre-right 'business as usual' will mean raising taxes, cutting public services, presiding over a decline in house prices / negative equity, rising unemployment, rising food prices, more food banks, etc, etc, as well as having to negotiate a withdrawal from Europe that will enrage at least half the country, if not everyone. It would be much better if it was a Blairite hand at the wheel, rather than Johnson, but it's going to be poisonous for whoever has to do it. A lot of that can be blamed on the leave campaign but there's only so far you can push the 'well you shouldn't have voted for it' line without entrenching public dislike of you. It's definitely possible that a centre-right Labour government could win an election if one was called before the end of the year but would it win the one after that or another ever again?

i mean i don't like these PLP fucks either but the tories simply have to be beaten. this isn't about some vague "what sort of direction do you want the country to move in" question, it's about who is going to write the rules of the biggest postwar settlement britain has ever seen? if there's another candidate besides labour i'm all ears. maybe the only way it can be done is via coalition? i dunno but it has to be the goal that dictates all else imo.

if no centre right Labour govt ever won again it would be worth it to keep the Tories from shaping post-EU britain.

with the situation so grave and the leave clowns having exited pursued by bear market... wonder if the eventual shake out is some sort of grand coalition. esp given what's at stake for UK. iron's so white hot right now tho, everyone's just casting around for opportunities

highly doubtful however. moment's too ripe with opportunity & would require a level of adulthood hitherto unexhibited by our political class

It's dangerous either way. A grand coalition that is seen to defy the will of the country and presides over an inevitable decline in living standards will be a gift to the far-right.

A Labour government that is seen to defy the will of the country and presides over an inevitable decline in living standards will be a gift to the far-right.

tom watson has shat it

welp glad this country has taken back control

it's a blessing that yr fascists are so incompetent; imagine if they had a plan for consolidating power and executing brexit to take the reins

Everyone's incompetent in this country.

Incompetent on a macro level, but deeply fucking terrifying on a local scale

The fact that Cameron/Osborne/Whitehall didn't plan for Brexit shows just how arrogant & out of touch they are in assuming a win for Remain.
https://twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/747096138814201860

It's depressingly predictable, but I hate watching the Right shape their lines in real time. This still comes home to roost though; he's already quit.

so is the revolt against corbyn down to his "leadership style" or is it really a conflict between different ideological visions of labour? asking from the USA.

glib answer: the latter dressed up as the former

If the PLP want to drive a wedge between Corbyn and his young/urban supporters among the membership, casting him as having sabotaged the Remain campaign is a decent strategy.

This is the guy who bankrolled both of the Leave campaigns to the tune of £6m:

https://twitter.com/Arron_banks/status/747126832546320384

but a lot of corbyn supporters don't trust the PLP enough to listen to them

Yep, the more effective move would have been to resign demanding that the party campaigned on a platform of staying in the EU after Corbyn had said he'd respect the result, but that would have had other costs.