Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

I know SNP voters who voted remain in pursuit of a second independence referendum.

― a goon shaped fule (onimo)

do you mean voted leave?

I know a couple who did that in a misguided attempt to force indyref2

if we're talking well liked female politicians in scotland who have been tested & has had a very easy ride... look no further than ruth davidson, the single most overrated politician in the british isles. a politician of no substance whose one actual achievement is beating the hollow husk of scottish labour into distant second at holyrood

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haven't*

Sorry, yes. They voted leave, hoping for exactly the result we got. xxxp

Jesus Christ lol Johnson what a legend has spoken. Guys, this was never about immigration, it was just about legislation. We can still keep all the benefits of being in Europe. It wasn't an overwhelming win. The pound is strong, not weak. Thank fuck, we can all go to bed now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/i-cannot-stress-too-much-that-britain-is-part-of-europe--and-alw/

Almost looks like he's trying to get out of being the next PM after all.

Oh here, why did they all start revolting again?

Jeremy Corbyn is preparing to call for a war crimes investigation into Tony Blair http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-still-prepared-to-call-for-war-crimes-investigation-into-tony-blair-a7042926.html

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Leading 'out' campaigner Boris Johnson says the margin by which the UK voted to leave the European Union was "not entirely overwhelming"

Lol! that has made my night.

lots of people itt are calling for a Blair mk 2 and another diluted Tory manifesto, and still think beating the Tories at any cost represents some kind of victory. Maybe '97-'07 was the golden years for some people idk. Also people trying conflate Corbyn's calmness + lack of media sheen as incompetence is bullshit, it's like what ShariVari said about if he was a Vegas era Elvis trying to diverge from the 2 party system - he'd still get tarred with the same brush.

Any appetite for corbyn bringing labour (however electorally diminished) to where they should be on the spectrum, shedding the blair scum to form or join whatever, and start from there?

I wouldve thought this was the plan for him anyways, but has brexit significantly changed ppl's views on this or was the above not widely seen as the likely (necessary) approach?

@mattholehouse: Where we are now: EU27 have offered UK a six month window to get grip and form government it can negotiate in good faith that may inc EEA

idk what is this love with Nicola Sturgeon, she hasn't been tested yet, has had a very easy ride.

This is exactly what I was going to post earlier. We'll get to see her real mettle over the course of this crisis, it's been a cakewalk for her so far in Scotland with Labour disintegrating. Salmond made all the breakthroughs for SNP and he was in charge for the Indyref. All she's had to do so far is tiptoe round Labour corpses strewn here there and everywhere while doing her Mini Merkel routine.

this country is probably utterly fucked and will never get better in my lifetime because that's how enough fuckers like it and this referendum is only a tiny bit of that

75% of green voters voted remain

what the actual fuck @ this being under, like, 98%

note of good cheer before bedtime. fuck the PLP, burn the fucking party to the ground, it's all its good for.

Dogs and cat lie together and me and nv find our common political cause

No idea about the UK but in Ireland the Green Party (back when it was relevant) contained a significant Eurosceptic/Lexit wing.

I'm just about all linked out, and this is from a guy I don't know, but does at least point out the context of the coming year and under which any negotiations would be conducted
https://medium.com/@octskyward/ok-what-now-e3f64d38f7#.xenq7qjme

That link is pretty terrifying and looks sound but is written by someone who is neutral on BoJo and thinks he will be a tough negotiator but it seems to me he wouldn't have the first clue about how to constructively negotiate let alone do it staunchly.

This in an interesting perspective on the possibilities for Scotland:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-26/brexit-may-be-scotland-s-chance-to-steal-london-finance-crown?utm_content=buffer1e5eb&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

If the UK announces that it will create a new European Trade Area with any other economically equal countries that exit the EU, featuring no trade barriers but controlled migration, then the existence of an alternative would likely increase support for EU exit in other major European economies. By adopting a “compromise is death” negotiating strategy the EU leaves the UK with only one card to play — sticking in the knife and helping them along.

I am...sceptical about the advisability of this tactic, and about the likelihood that e.g. the French would be all about joining a "Made in Britain" /Provisional EEA project.

if Corbyn appoints another shadow cabinet by the end of the day, like he's said he's going to, then is there a good chance that among the people he appoints will be some of the small number of Labour MPs who supported brexit? (Kate Hoey? Graham Stringer? can John Cryer be a member of the shadow cabinet at the same time as being PLP chair?) (he doesn't have that many ppl left to choose from as much as anything else, considering how many MPs ruled themselves out back in September as well as everyone who resigned from the shadow cabinet yesterday).
if he does, it seems like that could be significant in terms of ppl's hopes that Labour are going to push to somehow block or at least delay brexit, also significant for his opponents attempts to paint him as someone who was never really committed to remain campaign?

Shares in Barclays and RBS have been suspended. Foxtons are down 25% in the last three hours.

Osborne's statement obvs not helping a great deal.

Watson has told Corbyn to resign

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cl8n-HhWMAARbtX.jpg

:D

they'll never take our ecstasy away

Corbyn could conceivably not have enough support in the PLP to get on the ballot for a leadership election he'd win by a country mile. Both sides are taking legal advice on whether he'd have to be included automatically but there is no clear guidance or precedent.

A parliamentary party that can't even get rid of its own leader is totally electable. I can hear the voters hammering down the door now

Greens need to pounce immediately if he's ousted

I'd be tempted if i was him. I think he has too much love for the party to switch sides, though.

Maybe Labour should just split up for the kids.

New Statesman is reporting that Watson didn't tell Corbyn to resign and the BBC is wrong, fwiw.

You'll have to pry his Labour Party membership card from his cold dead hands.

If the PLP want to drive a wedge between Corbyn and his young/urban supporters among the membership, casting him as having sabotaged the Remain campaign is a decent strategy.

― ǂbait (seandalai), Sunday, June 26, 2016 6:35 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Labour leader and his team were guilty of ‘deliberate sabotage’ of the remain campaign. Members should remember this if they’re asked to re-elect him

like boris, im going back on my previous thoughts re: corbyn. i now think his relative silence, and the failure of labour members, during the referendum could be a great asset. seeing as he never really wanted to remain, he could utilise that ambivalence, or rather, his pro-brexit beliefs, to seal an election victory.

he never wanted to stay in the EU, and if he exploits this in a way that doesnt blur with that of gove/boris/farrage, it could be exactly what disenfranchised old labour voters will gravitate towards.

that could be a good strategy

What on earth....

i suggest replacing corbyn with vitellius.

I'm just about all linked out, and this is from a guy I don't know, but does at least point out the context of the coming year and under which any negotiations would be conducted
https://medium.com/@octskyward/ok-what-now-e3f64d38f7#.xenq7qjme

― stet, maandag 27 juni 2016 1:43 (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Don't know about the rest, but the part abt The Netherlands, Wilders and a possible referendum here is wrong and wildly speculative on so many accounts I don't know where to start.

That's a double relief, thanks

Nandy has resigned and said she won't stand as leader so bang goes that idea.

I'm corralling all my linking urges here Rolling Brexit Links/News thread

idk whether there will actually be a shadow cabinet by the end of the day but it's good to see Clive Lewis promoted.

Pat Glass also sounds cool:

Glass has taken a prominent role in Labour’s campaign to remain in the EU in the June 2016 referendum campaign. On 19 May 2016, she apologised after calling an elector "a horrible racist", which was caught at the end of a radio interview recording and reported by the media. She also added "I'm never coming back to wherever this is"

One of the Eagles has flown and i'd assume the other will later.

i hope they're not planning on leaving mount doom without frodo

maybe they should just, you know, take it easy

Lyin' Eyes, Already Gone, The Last Resort, New Kid In Town, etc, also available.

I'll go to corbyn rally in parliament square this evening

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13516524_10153437419066618_5336827758943328460_n.jpg?oh=192d93b265ff727b311014e1c9d87159&oe=57F3ECA5