Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

I see shares the distaste for cleverness of her husband (Jack Sprat).

Don't forget "Chug All Night" (xxp)

I had begun to feel slightly less despairing (prob less because any actual news seemed encouraging than because a brain cannot stay at my Friday levels of despair and stay alive) but now I've read the links thread I am re-entering full-on "oh shit, we're fucked" mode

if anyone would like to dissuade me I'll be under my desk

Deskit

Yes. Today definitely feels like the worst day since Friday.

who knew all the complaining that labour was tory-lite and the answer was to become ukip-lite all along

Having one MP is something to aim for.

You couldn't make this up

http://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/06/suns-resident-idiot-kelvin-mackenzie-now-regrets-voting-leave-after-offering-10-reasons-for-brexit/

This is like the Iraq war. Anyone in favour who didn't see it ending in disaster should be barred from being taken seriously about anything ever again. Not that Kelvin MacKenzie has ever been taken seriously.

Glass has taken a prominent role in Labour’s campaign to remain in the EU in the June 2016 referendum campaign. On 19 May 2016, she apologised after calling an elector "a horrible racist", which was caught at the end of a radio interview recording and reported by the media. She also added "I'm never coming back to wherever this is"

she sounds just like the person to help labour win back their heartlands.

does anyone actually feel better hearing from 'regretful' voters? if anything, it just makes me more angry. im not even sure i believe it anymore. its starting to seem trendy.

It's bollocks, isn't it? ComRes poll at the weekend suggested four times as many REMAIN voters were regretful as Leave ones (4% of remain voters happy with result, 1% leave voters unhappy). OK, I guess pollsters could face some seriously shy Leave voters now.

Radio 4 this morning said 7% I think but don't know where they were getting that from.

iirc correctly Glass apologised for the I'm never coming back to wherever this is" comment but pointedly didn't apologise for calling the voter racist, which reflected well on her, I thought.

can't get over this sentence from that Freedland article:

And nor did he help those Labour campaigners, encountering deep misgivings about immigration on the doorstep in traditional Labour areas, when he chose a set-piece interview with Andrew Marr on the Sunday before polling day to say that he did not see either the possibility or the need for an upper limit on migration – and all but agreeing with Marr that if you had concerns about immigration your best bet was to vote leave.

like, there are many things you can criticise Corbyn for, but you chose this? that he didn't lie and pretend that there's some way to stop free movement of labour if you stay in the EU?

Trying to imagine what scenario entails for you to Vote Remain, lose the referendum, see all the economic and political chaos it causes and then declare you're happy with the result.

Unless you're some MP with aspirations I suppose.

SNP voters?

many guardian journalists strike me as being no smarter than any kelvin mckenzie types. and they wont be happy until labour is in power, no matter how they get there. corbyn can be a mess of a leader but at least he stands for an alternative. also doesnt help that think piece mania means people are just churning their oh so very important opinions out seemingly by the hour.

and they wont be happy until labour is in power

God knows what's given you that idea.

Yes, when was the last time they were fully behind a Labour leader? 2001?

well ok. i just meant they cant help but find fault, whatever corbyn does. if he was in power, it might be another story. then again, yes, both brown and corbyn have been on the receiving end of relentless negative campaigns. they cant possibly win these people over, who like to pose as being of the left, but probably dont really believe in it.

don't think anybody in the PLP is claiming to be "of the left" any more

if they force a leadership contest every potential candidate should be required to offer 5 policy goals, if only because I dearly need the lulz

Yes, when was the last time they were fully behind a Labour leader? 2001?

I dunno what you mean by "fully behind" but in the sense of advising people to vote Labour, it was last year

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/06/guardian-view-election-2015-may-be-election-of-lifetime

I mean, yes, plenty of columns criticising Labour and Miliband, but that's fine by me, whoever the leader is. I wouldn't want uncritical coverage.

jess phillips is a socialist

The Guardian ran a relentlessly negative campaign about Miliband prior to the election irrespective of what the final editorial said.

Luciana Berger has gone now.

The Telegraph were reporting he'd be kicked out after a planned flurry of resignations even before the referendum.

We haven't talked too much about this, but surely the media is heavily implicated in all this? That the Brexiteers were never held to account for their lack of plan? I want to watch Newsnight tonight, but at the same time I don't, as their domestic coverage has become so pitiful

Yes, deeply, deeply implicated. Mail and Sun worst of all, Express too. But BBC News was pretty woeful at asking questions, and of doing the "balance" thing of stacking shitty Leave campaigners statements against proper experts' as if they were equal.

Laura K, while not as bad as painted, is awful for focusing on Labour to the exclusion of all else, too

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Back in the Commons, Labour’s Pat McFadden says Boris Johnson in his Telegraph article this morning said he wanted the UK to have full access to the single market. Is there any country with full access to the single market that does not allow free movement of labour?

Cameron says there is no country with full access to the single market that does not also pay a contribution and allow free movement.

the media love the drama and sensationalism of right wing types like farrage. its a similar thing to how they cover trump. they think its a great big hoot. a little joke that couldnt possibly really come to anything, when obv to many people, its very real. they dont seem to understand this. right wing types also make great copy, and fit better with ideas around what sells papers. more than someone like corbyn, whose beliefs would be too much of a challenge. i also think many 'liberal' journo types cant connect the dots as to how this might affect actual people. theyre too convinced that no one could possibly go for these persuasive, charismatic, embittered right wing demagogues, so dont bother really questioning it. or it just doesnt really affect them, so theyre less likely to interrogate it. plus, its just not as sexy as international affairs. what dyou want to be talking about at a dinner party? the problems of people who dont live that far down the road, or a people a thousand miles away who make you look so much more informed and smart?

article fifty ‏@hmclandress 2h2 hours ago

i hate to have political heroes, i don't believe in the great man theory of history, but fuck me corbyn's some man for putting up with this

Jeremy Corbyn plans to address a rally of grassroots supporters at the gates of parliament tonight after facing down his critics within the Parliamentary Labour party.

Labour’s leader will at first attend a crucial meeting of MPs where he is expected to face calls for his resignation including former members of his shadow cabinet.

But after calling for party unity, he plans to address a Momentum rally on Parliament Square, 20 yards from the parliamentary estate, sources said.

He may well be flanked at the rally by up to 20 MPs, who among those who remain loyal to Labour’s leader.

The address will offer a stark reminder to MPs that Corbyn’s support remains outside the Parliamentary party which has always been hostile towards him.

A source close to his office confirmed that he would address the rally following the PLP meeting.

keir starmer is the latest to depart the cabinet of shadows. that is a major loss if corbs clings on cuz he is a really strong voice for human rights

still consistently amazed/amused that there is an actual thing called "the shadow cabinet" in UK politics

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/747418086031097856

(is this what we're supposed to do now, take links from the links thread and copy them back here to discuss them?)

Scottish Lab leader Dugdale rejects case for independence:

I understand why people may move to support independence at this stage, but when you have just removed yourself from your second biggest market, why would you want to leave your first?

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/kezia-dugdale-case-scottish-independence-stronger-now-brexit/

― stet, Monday, 27 June 2016 16:55 (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I understand she's got a shit job, but pretending that the end-goal of Scottish Independence is being in neither the UK not the EU is impressively brass-necked.

there are no rules in this topsy-turvy new world

A lot of right wing papers seem to be expressing regret now - anyone have any idea what the significance of this is?

having their cake and eating it, natch. They know the public's about to realise it was lied to, and want the politicians to take the blame rather than them

Interestingly the Mail seems to have Johnson in its sights: mocking headlines, unflattering pictures etc. Scapegoat #1, then

maybe it's sheer unreflective spleen after a few stock portfolios have taken a hammering

xps. ah I had not noticed the links thread, doh.

Paul Dacre has long hated Boris Johnson, hasn't he?

also women

god that's right, forget about that feud

I'm on a train back from Glastonbury and have just read this entire thread to catch up on the finer details, but Jesus Christ what a complete clusterfuck.

Amazing how Labour have managed to make themselves look so bad when you consider that Cameron is 95% of the way to becoming the Prime Minister who literally destroyed the United Kingdom.

otm

Just saw a poll summary that puts Tories 2pts ahead of Labour right now, with all respondents aware of ref result

I mean, how? Is that pure Corbyn toxicity?

The have just delivered the result 52% of the country asked for and presumably won back support from UKIP. It doesn't seem unreasonable.

If they are still ahead in six months I would be surprised.

Well yes, but that list should also include "jeopardised the union, threaten to reignite the Troubles, collapsed the pound, tanked the markets and made us a global laughing stock"