Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

Laura K, while not as bad as painted, is awful for focusing on Labour to the exclusion of all else, too

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Back in the Commons, Labour’s Pat McFadden says Boris Johnson in his Telegraph article this morning said he wanted the UK to have full access to the single market. Is there any country with full access to the single market that does not allow free movement of labour?

Cameron says there is no country with full access to the single market that does not also pay a contribution and allow free movement.

the media love the drama and sensationalism of right wing types like farrage. its a similar thing to how they cover trump. they think its a great big hoot. a little joke that couldnt possibly really come to anything, when obv to many people, its very real. they dont seem to understand this. right wing types also make great copy, and fit better with ideas around what sells papers. more than someone like corbyn, whose beliefs would be too much of a challenge. i also think many 'liberal' journo types cant connect the dots as to how this might affect actual people. theyre too convinced that no one could possibly go for these persuasive, charismatic, embittered right wing demagogues, so dont bother really questioning it. or it just doesnt really affect them, so theyre less likely to interrogate it. plus, its just not as sexy as international affairs. what dyou want to be talking about at a dinner party? the problems of people who dont live that far down the road, or a people a thousand miles away who make you look so much more informed and smart?

article fifty ‏@hmclandress 2h2 hours ago

i hate to have political heroes, i don't believe in the great man theory of history, but fuck me corbyn's some man for putting up with this

Jeremy Corbyn plans to address a rally of grassroots supporters at the gates of parliament tonight after facing down his critics within the Parliamentary Labour party.

Labour’s leader will at first attend a crucial meeting of MPs where he is expected to face calls for his resignation including former members of his shadow cabinet.

But after calling for party unity, he plans to address a Momentum rally on Parliament Square, 20 yards from the parliamentary estate, sources said.

He may well be flanked at the rally by up to 20 MPs, who among those who remain loyal to Labour’s leader.

The address will offer a stark reminder to MPs that Corbyn’s support remains outside the Parliamentary party which has always been hostile towards him.

A source close to his office confirmed that he would address the rally following the PLP meeting.

keir starmer is the latest to depart the cabinet of shadows. that is a major loss if corbs clings on cuz he is a really strong voice for human rights

still consistently amazed/amused that there is an actual thing called "the shadow cabinet" in UK politics

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/747418086031097856

(is this what we're supposed to do now, take links from the links thread and copy them back here to discuss them?)

Scottish Lab leader Dugdale rejects case for independence:

I understand why people may move to support independence at this stage, but when you have just removed yourself from your second biggest market, why would you want to leave your first?

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/uk/kezia-dugdale-case-scottish-independence-stronger-now-brexit/

― stet, Monday, 27 June 2016 16:55 (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I understand she's got a shit job, but pretending that the end-goal of Scottish Independence is being in neither the UK not the EU is impressively brass-necked.

there are no rules in this topsy-turvy new world

A lot of right wing papers seem to be expressing regret now - anyone have any idea what the significance of this is?

having their cake and eating it, natch. They know the public's about to realise it was lied to, and want the politicians to take the blame rather than them

Interestingly the Mail seems to have Johnson in its sights: mocking headlines, unflattering pictures etc. Scapegoat #1, then

maybe it's sheer unreflective spleen after a few stock portfolios have taken a hammering

xps. ah I had not noticed the links thread, doh.

Paul Dacre has long hated Boris Johnson, hasn't he?

also women

god that's right, forget about that feud

I'm on a train back from Glastonbury and have just read this entire thread to catch up on the finer details, but Jesus Christ what a complete clusterfuck.

Amazing how Labour have managed to make themselves look so bad when you consider that Cameron is 95% of the way to becoming the Prime Minister who literally destroyed the United Kingdom.

otm

Just saw a poll summary that puts Tories 2pts ahead of Labour right now, with all respondents aware of ref result

I mean, how? Is that pure Corbyn toxicity?

The have just delivered the result 52% of the country asked for and presumably won back support from UKIP. It doesn't seem unreasonable.

If they are still ahead in six months I would be surprised.

Well yes, but that list should also include "jeopardised the union, threaten to reignite the Troubles, collapsed the pound, tanked the markets and made us a global laughing stock"

It will take a while before all that properly sinks in. Gove was clear there would be some short term problems and Lilico advertised the fact he expected a recession but it would all be worth it in the end. It's the ultimate 'keep calm and carry on' motivational poster. When it all unravels they'll struggle.

The have just delivered the result 52% of the country asked for

you mean 37.4% of the electorate

the idea that the voters didn't represent 100% of the populace is cold comfort

If there is a significant number of people who vote in general elections but didn't vote in the referendum then I'd be very surprised.

Gideon's baby aka Britain's credit rating lowered by S&P to AA, from AAA. All that austerity..

when 52% of the population who bothered to vote in the referendum chiefly voted on the basis of english nationalism and nativism i don't find it strange that old lefty corbyn who won't sing god save the queen and thinks the Malvinas should be given to Argentina isnt exactly winning over the UK polity

Yeah, the idea that a Corbyn could win over any voters, Remain or Leave, in this current climate is hard to imagine. "Vote for us – I'm secretly a bit Brexity"

I don't know what he could have done, given his beliefs, but anyway.

I'm never coming back to wherever this is

new UK tourism campaign

The current climate is about to change. So much so that Corbyn's support or otherwise for Remain won't be much to dwell upon. xp

The rally in London looks fantastic.

George Eaton (New Statesman) on twitter:

I'm now near-certain that Corbyn voted Leave. Hear papers have more tomorrow.

I think there are essentially two options for Labour going forward. One is to, acknowledge that immigration brings some issues but challenge bigotry head on, sell the contribution of migrants to the economy, culture and communities and aim to spread some of the economic benefits of being part of a global economy outside the metropolitan hubs. The other is to try to win over the right by shifting further to the right, even though whatever you do will never be seen as enough.

If whoever replaces Corbyn can do the former effectively, good luck to them. I have no idea, from the contenders, who that would be though. Corbyn is trying.

This is hyperbolic but lots of it hits:

http://www.versobooks.com/blogs/2729-the-whorled-circle-of-a-political-cosmology

For years, Labour has attempted to endear itself to the populace by adopting the language of the far right – Gordon Brown’s ‘British jobs for British workers’; Ed Miliband putting the words ‘controls on immigration’ on an official mug and the rock that would become his tombstone. It’s a curious form of self-abasement: a metropolitan elite, terrified of what it is and desperate to be seen as something else, takes its worst prejudices about the working classes and upholds them as a positive. Unsurprisingly, it hasn’t worked – people who do subscribe to racist ideologies will tend to vote for parties that espouse them out of the genuine conviction of evil, rather than those who openly announce that their evil is only a cynical ploy. But it has had the effect of entrenching the language of the far right across the political spectrum, and thereby reinforcing the idiot axiom that you have to speak it to win popular support.

if it comes out that corbyn voted leave that would for sure be the nail in the coffin right?

are there any good options left for Corbyn at this point? it seems unlikely he will quit, so presumably there will now be a leadership election. if he wins re-election Labour are fucked. right? whether or not you think a Corbyn led Labour party was un-electable before it surely will be once a majority of his MPs have made clear that they think he's useless. any other Labour members on ilx - would you vote for him in another leadership election? I mean, I know that his opponents have intentionally engineered a situation where his remaining will be a disaster, but that doesn't change the fact that it *will* be a disaster. I guess I'd vote for him again, but it's such a mess.

xp to all that Corbyn voted Leave stuff, which I'd previously assumed was just nonsense, but if there is actually proof he did then oh god

Is there any way short of violence that rallies like the Corbyn-supporting one can prevent themselves being hijacked by SWP and other parties? I guess not. Seems a shame for genuine Labour Corbyn loyalists.

No, the SWP would turn up to the opening of a cat cafe if they thought it would get them on the news. They've tarnished every single vaguely leftist gathering for twenty years.

haha sounds like the RCP in the US

Laura Kuenssberg
‏@bbcIaurak
BREAKING: Understand Peter Mandelson is being suggested by MPs as a potential candidate to oppose Corbyns in a leadership contest.

Damn it, i think they've hit on the winning formula. I'm pretty sure i could beat Mandelson in a leadership contest, let alone Corbyn.

I'm genuinely starting to think that every major player in contemporary British politics is trying to sabotage their own attempts to get power because they realise it'll be appalling if they do.

I hope Corbyn lasts until at least Chilcot.

i hope Mandelson no wait that's not legal

Aw, it's a fake account.

Is there a gif of that young guy beaming with excitement and putting on a Che t-shirt while a crowd cheers him on? That was hilarious and there should be a gif. I think that was at a Corbyn rally but I'm not sure.

It's irrelevant - Corbyn won't have nominations from enough MPs to get on the ballot. Unless there's a rule I don't know about which puts him automatically on there. If he is on the ballot he could well win and the Labour Party will probably split.

If he isn't on the ballot the party will split.

Legal advice is being taken on whether he has to go on automatically.