Rolling Islamophobia Thread

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/16/mans-unusual-fixation-with-lebanese-neighbors-led-to-murder-tulsa-police-say/#

Real sickener of a story

xp that article is fascinating to me just for the amazing consistency with which hamid outlines positions I completely disagree with; on essentialism,'meaning', heaven, identity, his peculiarly differing treatment of 'liberalism' and 'democracy'. at the end he starts to walk it back and suggests that these islamic societies aren't ready now, that we have to hold faith in democracy to resolve all problems despite its continual failures, and it doesn't seem that he's proposing that anyone does anything at all. but yes probably better elsewhere

The Daily Mail appears to have decided that armed police making women take their clothes off in public is a bit OTT:

https://twitter.com/CarolineFourest/status/768342243954622464

Sarkozy apparently planning to ban Muslim and Jewish children from being offered substitute pork-free meals if / when he gets back into office:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/19/le-comeback-kid-sarkozy-shapes-up-for-presidential-run-on-hardline-platform

The woman wasn't even wearing a burkini, just a top and a headscarf. This is a very frightening development. Inquisition.

cool can't see this uninflammatory photograph causing many problems good job france

so France has gone fascist, really, hasn't it?

ils passeront

Burqini ban overturned by French high court.

No surprise that this would happen in France
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/24/france-burkini-ban-secularist-equality-muslim

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK IS THIS SHIT
https://twitter.com/SecureAmerica/status/794936987715325952
FUCKING TWITTER TARGETING "PROMOTED TWEETS" AT LAMES LIKE ME JUST TO RILE PEOPLE UP

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/georgia-bill-bans-burqa-public

A Republican state representative in Georgia on Tuesday introduced a bill that would restrict women's ability to wear a burqa or veil in their driver's license photo and in public places, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

is it currently legal to wear a burqa for your driver's license photo? that seems like a mistake? banning it in public places of course abhorrent.

is it currently legal to wear a burqa for your driver's license photo?

Seems unlikely, not to say pointless.

iirc some states allow for driving licences without photos and have done for many years - largely because you have some religious minorities like Mennonites who do not want to be photographed at all. They are not valid for other ID purposes.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/11/us/muslim-florida-store-fire/index.html

"It's unfortunate that Mr. Lloyd made the assumption that the store owners were Arabic when, in fact, they are of Indian descent," Mascara said."

ahh right. cos if they had been Arabic then it woulda been ok.

According to CNN affiliate WPEC, Lloyd told investigators he tried to buy a bottle of Tropicana orange pineapple juice at the store a few days ago but was told they didn't have any.

and people are scared of Muslims???

two dead in Portland after intervening as a guy harassed Muslim women on the MAX train

http://www.wweek.com/uncategorized/2017/05/26/witnesses-man-on-northeast-portland-max-train-cut-the-throats-of-two-men-who-tried-to-stop-anti-muslim-bullying-of-women-passengers/

white supremacist background:

http://www.wweek.com/news/2017/05/27/the-man-accused-of-max-double-murder-is-a-portland-white-supremacist-who-delivered-nazi-salutes-and-racial-slurs-at-a-free-speech-rally-last-month/

totally fucked

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/nov/01/inquiry-rejects-press-claims-about-christian-girl-fostered-by-muslims

Absolutely shameful conduct from the press.

Last paragraph was horrible:

The Daily Mail followed by putting the story on its front page under the headline “MPs’ anger as Christian girl forced into Muslim foster care”. It used a stock picture of a Muslim family to illustrate the story in print and online, but altered the image to cover the woman’s face with a veil.

Is the talk about Chinese camps on other threads?

https://www.politico.eu/article/former-dutch-anti-muslim-politician-converts-to-islam-joram-van-klaveren/

something about that horseshoe

mashallah

Still waiting for ex-ISIS members to join Marine Le Pen's Rassemblement national.

actually that's problematic, what i said - maybe he has recanted his ways and converted to a nice moderate islam. i won't rule it out but

anyway this thread could probably be retitled 'rolling europe'

More than a few of the links posted upthread concern the US. But I take your point.

I think he actually has converted 'truthfully'. Have heard the horseshoe remarks about this since yesterday and yes, it is a bit problematic imo, to see both as opposing extremes. xp

the US is europe's dream realised, but bigger

Besides, it's a four-pronged horseshoe once you throw the far left and the far centre into the equation.

lol

Think the horseshoe here actually consists of the ends being a) his orthodox reformed upbringing and b) islam

Reformed Orthodoxy… in the Netherlands? I'm curious.

The photo chosen to accompany the article is kinda LOL.

The Zidane of Dutch politics. Or the Ribéry, more like.

I thought this revive might have been about Baroness Warsi once again saying (to deaf ears and a wall of silence) that an independent enquiry into Conservative Party Islamophobia is long overdue. If only she learned to keep her mouth shut, or be a self-hating racist prick - she could be where Javid is.

Reformed Orthodoxy… in the Netherlands? I'm curious.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:53 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Netherlands has its own bible belt where the Restored Reformed Church and orthodox protestants reigneth. They're the orthodox/conservative wings that passed on the merger of 2004 of reformists and protestants, which they deemed not hardcore and old-fashioned and anti-gay, anti-abortion enough (my words).

Ah, I see. I was confused by your use of the word 'orthodox', which I systematically take (no doubt due to my roots) to mean Eastern Orthodox.

Yeah that one's on me, as I know you're from those parts :) Only Orthodox in your sense of the word we have here are Russian/Eastern Europe congregations.

Tbf in my experience most English speakers (in North America, at least) use 'orthodox' as shorthand for 'Orthodox Judaism', so I should know better than to continue assuming it's about the Eastern rite. Not to mention the word's more general, desacralized meaning.

In the USA the Orthodox Presbyterian Church is a very conservative Calvinist denomination with important connections to Republican politics through "Reconstructionism". My main knowledge of its practical life though is that they do not permit the singing of hymns, but only psalms.

Dutch newspaper @ADnl published an explainer on what to do if someone spots a Burqa wearer from tomorrow when the ban begins. They suggest asking the person to leave, call the police or, alternative, exercise the right to a citizen's arrest. Wilders, of course, likes that option pic.twitter.com/m7dttADm8g

— Flavia Dzodan (@redlightvoices) July 31, 2019

what is this fuckery

Police already said they aren't going to enforce this. It's a useless, purely symbolic new law and, indeed, utter madness. (studies estimate there are all of 250 women wearing a burqa. O a population of nearly 18 million...)

this was my understanding, but then on what grounds are they advocating for citizens arrests?

racism?

AD, being the rightwing scum newspaper they are, dusted off a never used or quoted article in Dutch law that states that a citizen is allowed to arrest someone committing a criminal offense when the person is caught red handed. Honestly, I've never heard about this before in my life.

xp that's the tl;dr of it, yeah

The amount of far-right fuckheads who get jingoistically excited over burqa bans is one of the cornerstones of my misanthropy. Like LBI said, we're talking about less than 500 people (it's the same in Canada btw).

this is strange:

https://www.chortle.co.uk/news/2023/10/19/54359/omid_djalili_gig_axed_over_personal_threats

bumping this just so people can remember it exists