thanks to this thread for reminding me about kale and sausage soup which owns
― ciderpress, Friday, 26 August 2016 12:21 (eight years ago) link
TS: fake Victorianism vs. fake medievalism
― Brad C., Friday, 26 August 2016 12:23 (eight years ago) link
there's also a guy around the corner with an I Love Vagina bumper sticker on the back of his truck. i don't know if he eats kale though.
I'll bet he tells people about how much he loves to eat kale, talks about how he'll happily eat kale all night long, it's not something he does as a favor, he just really enjoys eating kale, but then when there's actually a plate of kale right in front of him he sort of half-heartedly nuzzles at it for twenty seconds and then is like "ok great what's next"
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 26 August 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link
kale is spectacular you just have to know how to cook it right
― marcos, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
it is not very forgiving if you don't cook it right but neither are most vegetables
things about kale i didn't know before i ate it habitually for a long time - raw kale can be hard to digest, massaging kale with lemon juice and salt makes it less bitter and (supposedly) easier to digest.
just kale things
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, 26 August 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
steampunk can only be embraced by fairly wealthy people with more time and money than good sense,...
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:26 PM (yesterday)
the people I know who are into it are not wealthy at all.
― sarahell, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:46 (eight years ago) link
was gonna say, a lot of these items are easy to come by in thrift shops, eBay, etc.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link
Isn't steampunk like at least thirty years old?
No one's mentioned vajazzling.
― An Automatic Response To Things That Are Bullshit (Old Lunch), Friday, 26 August 2016 17:48 (eight years ago) link
I guess because the thread doesn't say 'best fad'.
yeah idk what about it codes as wealthy unless you think people are actually buying/making steam-powered computers or something xxp
― mh 😏, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:49 (eight years ago) link
there is definite steampunk - burning man crossover. With only a few exceptions, everyone I know who is a steampunk person either is or was a burning man person at some point.
― sarahell, Friday, 26 August 2016 17:50 (eight years ago) link
the only person irl i know who has expressed any interest in steampunk is a young man who is sweet, non-gothy, very working class, and enjoys making things in the family shed
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:01 (eight years ago) link
such a nice kid in fact that i've never took the piss out of him for liking steampunk
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link
I had a steampunk outfit in a play I did once and I don't think the pieces combined cost us more than $100.
― Neanderthal, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:10 (eight years ago) link
enjoys making things in the family shed
most of the steampunk ppl I know were like this as kids too.
― sarahell, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:11 (eight years ago) link
worst fad: pro-rape blogs
― sarahell, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link
i totally get the aesthetic delights of brass and clockwork and exposed engineering, i'm just a bit eyebrow-raisy about peeps who seem to crave to inhabit a more colonial era
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:13 (eight years ago) link
generalized neo-Victorianism seems arguably worse than steampunk.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:03 PM (fourteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
is there really a diff
― mh 😏, Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:03 PM (fourteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I mean yeah I think Steampunk has the defense of being a kind of fantasy/parallel universe thing, whereas straight up Victorian nostalgia is (1) nostalgia, which is inherently bad and (2) nostalgia for a more colonial era as NV says
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link
to play devil's advocate for Victorianism though, you can make the same claim about nostalgia for almost any era. Humanity is pretty much always doing lots of horrible shit at any given time. 80s night -- "What, you're nostalgic for Reaganism? American imperialist foreign policy?
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:18 (eight years ago) link
This ad keeps popping up in my FB feed and I've never wanted a train to derail so badly.
http://i.imgur.com/WFnqCqD.png
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:19 (eight years ago) link
there's a certain kind of industrial optimism about the victorians that i still find kind of seductive: huge canals, the statue of liberty, digging up dinosaurs, national parks, all that. impossible to tease out from the bullshit ofc. and i'm not about to wear a 'waistcoat' in any case.
― goole, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link
yeah i'm not gonna call anybody a monster if some aesthetic/imaginary version of the past tickles their fancy, but it is interesting the same kind of fantasies that become popular - i think there are political implications under the surface but not in convoluted, unexamined ways. i see some connection with "rap lyrics in stodgy English" and the whole exaggerated old-fashioned manners/m'lady/chappism cults. because manners are a weapon of class privilege and the roleplay adopters don't seem to be exactly detourning this aspect of their fantasy
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link
most of the victorian "nostalgia" is about as accurate as renaissance fairs ime
― mh 😏, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:22 (eight years ago) link
sorry, scratch that "not" - the political undercurrents are complicated and usually unexamined
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:23 (eight years ago) link
For Americans the VIctorian Era was actually a less-colonial era
― Josefa, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:24 (eight years ago) link
yeah i get that but steampunk is largely Victorian London fixated imo unless you count that Will Smith movie
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:25 (eight years ago) link
altho come to think of it just because the US's colonies in the 19th century were largely internal let's not pretend they weren't there
― Len Bincowank (Noodle Vague), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:26 (eight years ago) link
― Josefa, Friday, August 26, 2016 1:24 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
reeeally depends how you approach the westward expansion of the US
― goole, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:27 (eight years ago) link
also the Philippines (though that might be just after Victorian era proper)
― geometry-stabilized craft (art), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:28 (eight years ago) link
steampunk was basically codified in the early 70s, sci-fi lit subgenre (Oswald Bastable books, KW Jeter etc.) That it's become a "thing" that people LARP about in is sad and ridiculous.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:32 (eight years ago) link
I was thinking recently that there's a weird correlation between these anti-technologists and anti-social progressive Trump supporters. They should join forces and buy an island somewhere and live out their pre-industrial revolution fantasies.
― Darin, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:42 (eight years ago) link
burning man is also something you need to be wealthy to do.
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link
also most of the good (or "good") steampunk books (difference engine, maaaaaybe diamond age) are pretty explicit abou viewing the victorian era/the victorian mindset as kinda pretty fucked up.
irl steampunk is more like "nostalgia for a bbc sci-fi miniseries that never actually existed."
― a basset hound (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Friday, 26 August 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link
yup
it didn't used to be that way but it sure is now
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link
not if u work on a crew, based on what a bunch of my relatively poor 20-something friends are doing right now
― vagenda of manocide (sleeve), Friday, 26 August 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
what, you mean a crew bankrolled by a wealthy person, ie as an employee?
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
I dunno, whatever the garbage/recycling crew is, pretty sure that's part of the actual organization, they give crew passes in exchange for work.
― vagenda of manocide (sleeve), Friday, 26 August 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link
those are employees not attendees
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link
Burning Man LLC is a thing
was responding to "need to be wealthy to do", which did not specify an employee/attendee divide (which is pretty tenuous at best, the folks who are working still have a lot of fun, maybe even more fun)
― vagenda of manocide (sleeve), Friday, 26 August 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link
well i mean you get to see babs streisand if you're a janitor at the arena
― kurt schwitterz, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:21 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/GroverNorquist/status/768988127415377924
Grover Norquist @GroverNorquist 18h18 hours ago Massachusetts, USA
There is no Trump. There is no Clinton. Burning Man starts Monday.All is right with the world.
― goole, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:26 (eight years ago) link
if only we all could enjoy the privelege of cleaning up after Grover Norquist
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link
We already are.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 26 August 2016 20:11 (eight years ago) link
god that tweet is amazing
― map, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:12 (eight years ago) link
There is no Trump. There is no Clinton. Only Thiel.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:15 (eight years ago) link
― vagenda of manocide (sleeve), Friday, August 26, 2016 8:12 PM (one hour ago)
― Οὖτις, Friday, August 26, 2016 8:14 PM (one hour ago)
Nah, this is a really common thing to do to get into festivals. You volunteer for a few hours worth of shifts and then get to go to the whole thing for free.
Anyway, the answer to this question is Electroswing.
― emil.y, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:18 (eight years ago) link
I think claiming you don't have to be rich to go there, you just have to work for no pay and free entry is a bit o_0. You used to be able to go to Burning Man for nothing (no tickets!), just the cost of your own transport and supplies (ie the cost of camping - a thing poor people do!). It is not like that anymore, and it hasn't been that way for 10+ years.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:22 (eight years ago) link
the only person i know who goes every year is ilxor d. wolk.
― scott seward, Friday, 26 August 2016 20:23 (eight years ago) link