NOW YOU'RE POLLING WITH POWER. SUPER POWER. Console Poll, vol. 2 - 4th Generation RESULTS

Recap:

48 - Micro Machines - 63 points / 3 Votes
48 - ActRaiser - 63 points / 3 Votes
50 - Zombies Ate My Neighbors - 61 points / 4 Votes
51 - Streets of Rage III - 61 points / 3 Votes
52 - Front Mission - 57 points / 2 Votes
53 - Shining Force - 56 points / 2 Votes
54 - Tetris Attack / Panel de Pon - 54 points / 3 Votes
55 - Final Fantasy V - 54 points / 2 Votes
56 - Contra 3: The Alien Wars - 53 points / 4 Votes
57 - Super Empire Strikes Back - 51 points / 3 Votes
58 - Castle of Illusion Starring Mickey Mouse - 50 points / 3 Votes
59 - Secret of Evermore - 50 points / 2 Votes
60 - Kirby's Dream Land - 48 points / 2 Votes
61 - Shadowrun - 47 points / 3 Votes
62 - Shinobi III - 47 points / 2 Votes
63 - Road Rash II - 46 points / 2 Votes
64 - E.V.O. The Search for Eden - 45 points / 2 Votes
65 - Super Mario Land 2: Six Golden Coins - 44 points / 1 First-place votes / 2 Votes
66 - UN Squadron - 44 points / 2 Votes
66 - ToeJam & Earl in Panic on Funkatron - 44 points / 2 Votes
68 - Cannon Fodder - 43 points / 3 Votes
69 - Wonder Boy V: Monster World III - 43 points / 2 Votes
69 - Ogre Battle: March of the Black Queen - 43 points / 2 Votes
69 - Castlevania: Bloodlines - 43 points / 2 Votes
72 - Nobunaga's Ambition - 42 points / 2 Votes
72 - Final Fantasy IV (II) - 42 points / 2 Votes
74 - On the Ball - 40 points / 1 First-place votes / 1 Vote
75 - Mortal Kombat 2 - 40 points / 2 Votes
76 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time - 38 points / 2 Votes
77 - Final Fight - 38 points / 1 Vote
77 - Rings of Power - 38 points / 1 Vote

KM you should play ActRaiser it's good

FF2 with only two votes is insane but I guess everyone opted for 3 instead and didn't want to waste two votes on FF games

Secret of Evermore is amazing & I'm glad it made the cut

and we're off! woohoo!!!

stunned at 'turtles in time' getting only two votes. in the very wacky Dom poll of 2008 it was the #56 greatest game ever. obviously that is crazy, but i think a lot of people treated it as stand-in for its genre. and surely there is not a better home-console version of the 2.5D side-scrolling cooperative beat-em-up? colorful, fast, fun, satisfying, trading on a popular license but by no means coasting on it. yeah i dug streets of rage too, but only because all i had was a genesis. at the very least, this has to be the best turtles game ever made, besides the arcade one itself.

i want to say mortal kombat never ever spoke to me as much as street fighter - it was just uglier, and SO much stiffer in terms of control and animation. but i have to cast my brain back to 6th grade and remember that i, too, gazed deeply into the magazine screenshots showing the differences between the SNES and Genesis versions. was this my first encounter with the idea of "censorship" in my actual lived experience? the injustice of that blood turned into sweat! laughable! i definitely rented the game and played it very thoroughly, and i'm sure the digitized actors wowed me more back then than they do now... but i really don't think there's all that much to it. also about half the characters are pretty boring. i basically never played the sequels except once or twice at friends' houses. not enough to make any sense of the giant casts of characters, or learn any moves or anything.

tetris attack is a real hoot. not much to say about it beyond that - if you haven't played it, play it, but play it two player.

shining force is great and REALLY fascinated me in 1993. as i said in the voting thread, it hasn't held up so well in terms of certain gameplay and interface choices, and (aside from a couple of hidden character things) it's painfully linear. very close to someone's observation about final fantasy I, on last year's poll, that essentially once you put your name in you are done making choices for the rest of the game.

zombies ate my neighbors is way too hard, but it is great co-op fun. the kind of thing where if you don't personally need to beat it, you can be satisfied playing the first few levels over and over. very fun music too IIRC.

man, seeing the box art nice and big is a good reminder that while the NES era gets most of the lolz for terrible cover art, it definitely did not end there. "shinobi iii" looks so cheap and generic.

several of these - ogre battle, actraiser, shadowrun - are ones i always heard i needed to play but never once saw a copy of, and somehow just forgot to ever check out via emu. others, like 'on the ball,' are totally new to me. this is fun!

is secret of evermore really an okay game? i remember starting it, getting a little while in and being like "this seems like it's for littler kids than me." but if you take away all the trappings/reputation around it, is it basically fun?

i definitely remember being amazed by how the mortal kombat characters looked just like real life. now i feel somewhat less amazed.

besides a couple of others that will certainly show up micro machines (well, the second one) was my favourite racing game of this era, and maybe the most fun multiplayer of all of them.

i want to say mortal kombat never ever spoke to me as much as street fighter - it was just uglier, and SO much stiffer in terms of control and animation.

although i said upthread that MKII deserved to place better tahn it did, this is otm. MKII is all about the fatalities, basically. the fighting itself was noticeably worse than SFII even when it was first released, and time has not treated it well. all the characters have the exact same speed, same jumping height and distance, everything. you're playing different versions of the same character, with different special moves and fatalities. SFII, of course, had a completely different feel depending on who you were playing as, not even taking special moves into account. still, MKII was such an important part of that era, and it deserves to place a little higher than it did.

not sure i ever played mk2 and i voted for 3, is 3 considered inferior?

3 had a weird lack of focus, MKII had that nice "Big Trouble in Little China" feeling to the aesthetic whereas 3 added cyborgs and Paul Blart mall cop.

MKII was a big one for me. i liked the first game enough to get the SNES version but MKII i remember knowing the release date and asking walmart to hold it for me. maybe the fighting game mechanics were sub-SF2 but to me it was a rich, deep game with a million secrets and little tricks. that they actually included "Friendship" and "Babality" options was kind of amazing at the time -- it was like a playground rumor come true.

TMNTIV is really something else. there's not much to the game, and you are sort of fighting one type of bad guy (foot clan soldier) throughout the entire game. and yet the presentation holds it all together. the music, the graphics, that neat mechanic where you fling your opponent forwards into the screen. i rented this game and beat it several times before bringing it back and then buying it anyways the next week. it was a hell of a lot of fun!

Tetris Attack, they need to remake that for phones

o wait i didn't vote for any mortal kombat. sorry mk, needed to make sure that sparkster gets the top 3 placing it deserves

many xps but EVO was the best
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gv6FHOYf-Sk

wistful feeling of having missed out following these results. i guess i was just playing sensi soccer and football manager constantly on the amiga at this point, probably civ games. looking at the box art is terrific tho, totally transports me back to having to wait months to get a game, going into the shop every week and looking at the back of the box, expectations spiralling out of control. sort of similar now in a way, many of these i think i want to grab on an emulator but inevitably will disappoint.

Gonna post a little different today, since I have a lot to do not at the computer I'm going to to a little "sprint" every hour or so of like 8 things in rapid successiun.

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47 - Shining Force 2 - 64 points / 2 Votes

oh man slow down on these if you're under any pressure at all! i for one won't even have a chance to respond to anything more til the end of the day so less of a deluge works fine on the reader's end too. just sayin'! i know i post something like this on every poll and i'm probably in the minority.

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46 - Harvest Moon - 64 points / 5 Votes

nah it's just that later today I'll need to run some errands so it'll get a little clustery

^also this game is for "city kids of all ages" lol

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45 - Revenge of Shinobi - 66 points / 2 Votes

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42 - Super Street Fighter II + Turbo - 67 points / 3 Votes

i didn't play Harvest Moon til emu days. which, given its VERY late release on the SNES (1997 in north america!), isn't actually such a long gap - maybe two or three years! anyway, i gave it a vote as i remember sinking a surprising amount of time into what was really a fairly pointless time-waster. the aesthetic is very soothing, and as many, many facebook-era games have discovered, there is a really addictive satisfaction in watching your little farm gradually grow more, and more, and more productive.

in that sense it's really descended from, idk, simcity or something like that. few pre-digital experiences scratch exactly this same itch. maybe like collecting baseball cards or something. when i began, this binder was all empty plastic sleeves, but now, look! and tomorrow, more! more! model train sets and things like that also involve boundless imagination of what will soon be filling out the landscape, though there you're engaged much more creatively in what will happen. anyway it's an important genre, for better or worse, and at least this one makes it all kind of cute and sweet. glancing at wikipedia it seems there was a lot of the game i never really saw - "after an earthquake or lightning strike, for example, the player can meet the "Harvest Sprites" who live in tunnels under the farm." wow!

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42 - Flashback - 67 points / 3 Votes

for harvest moon fans, stardew valley just got a new update this week.

played super street fighter ii a bit in the arcades - basically just enough to check out the new characters, really. it was a full two years past the first game's release and while it was a classic the whole thing was wearing a little thin for me. never played any of the later ones more than once, though i was glad they kept the cartoon 2D style alive. had there been one of that style on the N64 i would have been super interested (and frankly i bet it would have helped that system a lot but that's hindsight).

tried to play flashback during the voting for this poll and could barely get past the first screen. maybe i was missing something but the control scheme seemed REALLY sluggish and non-intuitive.

ah the memories brought back by that shinobi box art make me wish i'd voted for it. i don't think i ever got very far though - was it very difficult or was i just very bad?

and v nice re flashback though again i don't think i ever got past that 'death tower' stage. i am probably just very bad

like c'mon guys prince of persia already solved the basic mechanics of this genre years ago, just do that. it felt like all the bad no-name platformers for the NES where you're like, man, couldn't they just reverse-engineer the control/movement from super mario bros.?

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42 - Phantasy Star IV: The End of the Millennium - 67 points / 3 Votes

iirc yes flashback's controls are quite rough, a lot of emphasis on being pixel perfect for things that seem like they should be simple

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41 - Breath of Fire - 69 points / 3 Votes

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40 - Streets of Rage II - 70 points / 3 Votes

NOW YOU'RE PLAYING WITH FIRE. SUPER FIRE.

damn that blurb is violent

love the back of the BoF box. one dinky screenshot, set inside what was already by then a fairly old-fashioned-looking TV, then a semi-liefeldian drawing of like a lion man. amazing it sold any copies at all.

as for SoR2 yeah wow, what a blurb. also i don't remember fighting baseball bat guys with DON'T WALK signs for heads, but that would have certainly made for a fun game.

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38 - SimCity - 70 points / 4 Votes

Amazing game. I think people are still trying to find a foolproof no-cheat way to get to 999,999 population.

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38 - Gunstar Heroes - 70 points / 4 Votes

i guess i never read the sim city box because i remember being amazed and horrified when bowser turned up to destroy my precious city

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37 - NBA Jam Tournament Edition - 77 points / 5 Votes

ah the memories brought back by that shinobi box art make me wish i'd voted for it. i don't think i ever got very far though - was it very difficult or was i just very bad?

it's tough, definitely requires some memorization. there is an infinite shirukens cheat that is a big help. you go to the menu, dial down the number to 00, and wait 10-15 seconds until it changes to an infinity symbol. this is extra helpful bc of the spinning attack you can do if you attack after double jumping, you throw a half dozen in a semi-circle, which is a really good strategy particularly for bosses.

Revenge of Shinobi really is something else. the music of course is insanely cool. the levels are really crazy. i have a soft spot for the sort of impossible techno-fortresses these games specialize in from time to time. there is a great and very challenging level where you are running alongside a highway and have to jump on and off of it (only red cars hit you). while you are doing this there are nuns that walk into frame, throw off their habits to reveal they are ninjas, and attack you. so so cool.

last but not least are the many IP-infringing bosses in this game, from Spider-Man to The Terminator. this game is schoolyard rumors come to life. at one point you face off against Godzilla.

Phantasy Star IV was really well done imo and i prefer it to any other 16-bit RPG outside of FFVI. really love the more anime style of it all, robot with cat ears and all.

Gunstar Heroes is just non-stop WTF but it can get extremely challenging. i remember getting stuck on the dice rolling level and just feeling like i was in hell. great two-player game! reason enough to check out anything else Treasure ever made.

Gonna post a couple more and then go out to take care of errands, the second half will be like an hour or two later

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36 - Super Mario All-Stars - 78 points / 3 Votes

^obviously unimaginably classic but it didn't feel right to be voting for a compilation of previous generation games (nicely touched up tho they may be)

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35 - Rock n Roll Racing - 79 points / 4 Votes

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34 - Crusader of Centy (aka Soleil) - 80 points / 2 First-place votes / 2 Votes

^Had to double-check this one... two first-place votes, zero other votes. some people love this! and some people like me had never heard of it!

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33 - Langrisser II - 81 points / 3 Votes

hmm

http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/langrisser/langrisser2-md.jpg

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32 - Earthworm Jim - 86 points / 6 Votes

Ok break time! To be continued in a couple of hours.

i'm sorry i didn't vote in this! my few attempts at a ballot were pretty pathetic and i didn't wanna do what i did in the NES poll and vote for a bunch of PC games whose ports i hadn't played. kept telling myself i'd brush up via emus but never did :(

just wanna say contra 3 is a great co-op experience and has a surprising variety of levels, some of which (crawling around in zelda-style single-plane movement clinging to the superstructure of a skyscraper?) i almost feel like i must have made up

def wanna hear from the crusader of centy crew

thought at first that was orig street fighter 2 at 42 and was like wtf even i know that's wrong