CIGARETTES VS weed

i think one of the worst experiences i've ever had w/ drugs is smoking a joint w/ tobacco & weed mixed. it was awful - the horrible nausea from cigarettes, paranoia from the weed which made me feel like just smoked the most toxic disgusting thing, the enhanced sensory awareness from weed so that the tobacco smoke smell just permeated everything. i think i had to take a shower to feel clean after that experience

btw paranoia from weed, while i don't always get it, is usually a positive thing for me as it manifests as a very motivating kind of anxiety which makes me tune in to all the possibly horrible shit im doing in my life and encourages me to make changes immediately

how much of the 'usefulness' of nicotine is a chicken/egg thing, though? like, maybe it relieves anxiety etc because you're addicted/craving etc

smoking tobacco is fun as is the buzz of nicotine but cigarettes have a bunch of weird shit in them and taste totally gross. you can smoke a joint in your small one bedroom apartment in the evening and the next day you can't smell it. you smoke a cigarette in same apartment and you will absolutely smell it. you're in a room with cigarette smoke at a party = you will need to wash your hair and probably your clothes in the morning, not so with weed

smoking cigarettes always makes my hangover worse. smelling cigarettes when I'm hangover is awful

cigarettes are way more expensive because you can smoke one joint and that's you for the evening, usually one cigarette is just the beginning

xxxp - addiction might be part of it, but it's a relatively mild stimulant so it's going to have some effects regardless of that angle, also one reason there seems to be some crossover between ADHD and nicotine.

I wish I could moderate on smoking - one a day or only when drinking, but even if I go with the latter I'll chain smoke an entire pack in three hours and feel like death for three days. Weed is fascinating, but I still don't do it nearly as much as I might like due to social acceptability (if I get a phone call that my store is on fire and show up after a few drinks no one will care, show up stoned and the authorities will care deeply) and because I always feel like I have to have every home and work project wrapped up first because I'm not a functional stoner, I pretty much just melt into a chair and watch Netflix.

I smoke weed a couple times a month but I'm losing my taste for it. These days it's to mitigate the effects of drinking.

Ain't no way I stop smoking my one cigarette though.

ive learned im actually way more functional when high than i thought, and that i'm not as glaringly or obviously high when i do smoke, my wife hasnt noticed sometimes when im super baked until i tell her

still though i don't smoke weed while the kids are awake and i don't smoke weed before work. i try to avoid smoking it before i see my parents too.

Brian Blomerth did a really cool comic called Understanding Nicotine about the positive/useful aspects of nicotine and different forms of administration.

http://www.brianblomerth.com/comics/nicsamplepage2.jpg

Most of my high school and college social circle were cigarette smokers but I never got the hang of it.

Cigarette tobacco smells nice when drying, nice when curing, nice when in the pack. Then someone burns it and it becomes needlessly rank and harsh. But - this is key - cigarette smokers don't know what the smoke smells like to others, because they've become nose-blind to it (the mouth being located directly underneath the nose).

Though I have never smoked an entire cigarette, I like nicotine fine. I and my fellow insufferably pretentious English-major types liked pipes. They offer a mellower olfactory situation, but still have some of the same nose-blindness problems. That is, your perception of the smell of your own smokable is very different from the perception of other people in your life (due to the thing being right next to your goddamn nose).

In contrast, I have always loved weed. It's not a big part of my life right now due to those pesky law things, but I miss it. The main drawback is the gulf between desire and reality, as noted upthread

When I smoke/eat it once I imagine a life of languorous days in the woods with a hammock in a perpetual summer. What I end up doing is watching marathons of the Price is Right and eating ice cream bars in my underwear.

Yeah, when I am high I feel like I should make the most of it: adventure, creative endeavor, sex, sybaritic pleasure, luxury, extreme relaxation. But this anxiety to make it a Good Drug Experience is itself really counterproductive because whatever I manage to do, I feel like there's something better I should be doing instead. The result is paralysis in some stupid pointless loop.

just put on a cool record and chill

(if I get a phone call that my store is on fire and show up after a few drinks no one will care, show up stoned and the authorities will care deeply)

uhhhh...

oh yeah, texas

it's a lot harder for someone to tell if you're high than if you've had a few drinks.

just put on a cool record and chill

― marcos, Monday, October 24, 2016 10:19 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is very often the answer afaic

listen to the blue nile hats while lying on the floor. drink some tea. eat pasta with tomato sauce.

I only smoke weed that I have unexpectedly found while walking my dog. After my first two hauls the finder policy doesn't seem to be working anymore, sadly people don't go to greenbelt areas to get stoned and lose whole bags of it in the Autumn.

After recovering from a bad lung infection recently I am glad I don't smoke either f/t anymore tbh.

listen to the blue nile hats while lying on the floor. drink some tea. eat pasta with tomato sauce.

this is like the most otm post in the entire history of ilx

it's a lot harder for someone to tell if you're high than if you've had a few drinks.

Maybe - I'd say it depends on your tolerance/level of practice. At times I've been super drunk and had people tell me they couldn't tell a difference, much less 3-4 drinks (pretty much my max these days) - I've never found that level with weed. I either don't notice it at all or I'm baked but I've had a lot more practice functioning while drinking, I'm sure if it were more social for me I'd adapt/build a tolerance.

I like watching serious indie relationship dramas when I'm high. Queen of the Earth - unwatchable sober, fascinating while stoned.

I got higher than ever Saturday thanks to someone offering me THC in a vape and taking too big of a hit. Was not the fun kinda high. :/

I like to think I have pretty good buzz maintenance skillz. I can generally incorporate three drinks into an evening where I need to keep my wits about me (like a date or work function), and stop before things get troublesome. Beer and wine (by nature of their volume) can slow the progression down, compared to hard drinks. When drinking vodka (for example), one can accidentally speed past the mild-buzz stage, going straight from sober to puking-on-the-hostess without having that pleasantly-buzzed stage in between.

In my youth (early 90s), I could take two or three hits from a bowl/joint, or one bong hit, then still do stuff like play music in a club setting. Much more than that, and I might have been inappropriately giggling in a corner about the inherent funniness of dryer lint. Nowadays, I know that potency requires a different calculation. I fear I'd blow way past the mild-buzz and dryer-lint stages, and end up ping-ponging between terror, masturbation, and sleep.

in the masturbation vein, I don't think cigarettes or nicotine have given anyone as much pleasure as the ex-girlfriend who smoked to manage nerve pain from a car crash but had never received cunnilingus while high

Thread predictably drifting from weed and cigarettes into booze.

These days it's to mitigate the effects of drinking.

agree, it's practically a miracle hangover cure (provided you don't have to do anything that day)

just put on a cool record and chill

― marcos, Monday, October 24, 2016 10:19 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is very often the answer afaic

― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Monday, October 24, 2016 2:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

one thing that always cracks me up (I'm a sometimes guy, not every day at all) is like what Puffin says but on a way smaller scale. I KNOW I'm gonna listen to music. That's a given. Probably on headphones. But....WHAT music? *scrolls through iTunes for an hour without choosing because the moment it hits it's gonna be so sweet, fuck...metal? Wu-Tang? what about that one time we all listened to Beethoven high fuck that was incredible...wow I'm still wearing headphones without sound waiting to pick something to play, must've been here for an age*

i specifically make choices pre-smoke. like i have the movie i want to watch decided or the albums or whatever. plus any food i may want to eat lol.

isten to the blue nile hats while lying on the floor. drink some tea. eat pasta with tomato sauce.

not sure why Neil Tennant never included this in "Left To My Own Devices."

i think one of the worst experiences i've ever had w/ drugs is smoking a joint w/ tobacco & weed mixed. it was awful

this is the standard way people smoke weed on the UK FWIW. only hardcore people who spend most of their spare budget on herb roll pure spliffs.

*in the uk

I always cut my joints with clip. tastes better and smokes way less harsh

I feel like combining the two subverts the natural order

weed mixed w/tobacco is awful for anyone who doesn't smoke cigs

thread answer is weed of course. there is a legal shop around 200 feet from our house.

one thing that always cracks me up (I'm a sometimes guy, not every day at all) is like what Puffin says but on a way smaller scale. I KNOW I'm gonna listen to music. That's a given. Probably on headphones. But....WHAT music? *scrolls through iTunes for an hour without choosing because the moment it hits it's gonna be so sweet, fuck...metal? Wu-Tang? what about that one time we all listened to Beethoven high fuck that was incredible...wow I'm still wearing headphones without sound waiting to pick something to play, must've been here for an age*

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:11 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol oh man this is so otm

this is the standard way people smoke weed on the UK FWIW. only hardcore people who spend most of their spare budget on herb roll pure spliffs.

This is not remotely accurate, btw

? Is wherever I've been. I know like one person who rolls straight spliffs without baccy and I don't know how he affords it cos you'd rip through your stash in an instant if you didn't.

also I sometimes find pure rolls really harsh and vomit inducing - the difference between a mellow pint of beer and doing a shot.

it's a little weird to read about spliffs elsewhere when tobacco is just so stigmatized in the weed region i find myself in (the western u.s., which is kind of the weed capital of the world right now?). it's been a long time since i bought any, and in the state i'm in it's still very much illegal, but the impression i get is that it's not that much more than a standard prescription drug copay for an eighth of very good stuff.

meanwhile the price of cigs is always going up

Have to say that I agree with dog latin on this one - smoking weed with tobacco is standard in the UK, and I'm surprised to see Ward claim that it isn't. Though vaping it is becoming a thing over here now (not as much as it seems to be in the States but it is a thing).

I still really enjoy cigarettes but at the same time I realise that if I wasn't a smoker I would be so much better off, so I can't wholeheartedly vote cigarettes. Then again, cigarettes don't make me horribly paranoid.

one thing that always cracks me up (I'm a sometimes guy, not every day at all) is like what Puffin says but on a way smaller scale. I KNOW I'm gonna listen to music. That's a given. Probably on headphones. But....WHAT music? *scrolls through iTunes for an hour without choosing because the moment it hits it's gonna be so sweet, fuck...metal? Wu-Tang? what about that one time we all listened to Beethoven high fuck that was incredible...wow I'm still wearing headphones without sound waiting to pick something to play, must've been here for an age*

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:11 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol oh man this is so otm

― just sayin, Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:34 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loool

i've learned to just put on shuffle -- i never know what's going to sound right until i hear it. i might put on shuffle not high and skip 20 tracks until i find something i want to hear but when high usually i find something fascinating happening within a couple tracks

efforts to pick out something before smoking never work out bc i change my mind i smoke

I smoke cigs but I've managed to ween myself off them enough never to smoke in the day and very often I can go for up to a day or two without giving into cravings, so long as I keep myself occupied. That said, as soon as I'm in a social setting, especially if it involves alcohol there's no stopping me. I've managed to go for at least three week-or-more no-smoking bouts this year, but I just haven't been able to kick em properly. Do like weed now and again but I tend to buy it once every other pay day and get high every night for a week. Then I realise I've done nothing but scroll through my music library for 7 days and knock it on the head.

weed >>>> cigarettes

in Denmark it's very hard to buy ordinary weed/grass and unless you grow your own you most likely buy either hashish or what we call skunk, probably not unlike those OG Kush things I hear about on Snoop Doggs tv show, like extra strong weed

you can smoke skunk pure, but it's fairly strong

maybe you can smoke hashish without tobacco, in a vape or smth, but what people do is they roast a cigarette with a lighter and then mix it with hashish, roasting the tobacco supposedly gets the nicotine/bad taste out

wait you like hold the cig up to your lighter flame and roast it like a marshmallow or what

i absolutely love weed, it is such a useful drug for me for all kinds of reasons, social interaction, stress relief, creativity, self-reflection, curiosity, thoughtfulness, appreciation of art, nature, food, music. it is the best. i took a break for a number of years in my twenties (mostly bc i didn't have a connect tbh) and started again a few years ago and i am very happy it is back in my life again.

― marcos,

co-sign on all of that, even the break in my twenties.

Pretty much all weed anyone has smoked in Europe and the US has been functionally the same for 20 years. There's a lot of mythology about strains and quality/power, but the differences in THC content have been pretty small from what I can tell and other cannabinoids like CBD have been largely nonexistent. You see people talk about 30% THC strains but per one of the labs that tests in legal states, the numbers are realistically much lower.

Never really understood the roll-your-own crowd, when factory made cigarettes were perfected circa 1910.

Oh, well that's an easy one.
factory made = $$$
roll your own = ¢

It's not a matter of preference. It's 'I only have $5' or 'I only have $2'

Fair enough. I always assumed some sort of self-aggrandizing on the part of the roll-your-own crowd but I’m happy to be schooled on this

There *are* smokers who prefer the flavor or bite of roll your owns, but it's rare, and they def don't smoke Top. Most ppl who smoke em do so because it's what they can afford.

Why does tombot hate weed

edibles and vapes have gotten so popular the last few years feels like smoking weed is the “retro” option like listening to music on vinyl

Need some 4% THC shit like it’s 1977 again.

edibles are too intense, I do finally have a vape I like, but still smoking a bit of weed out of my glass pipe is the most enjoyable for me

Edibled and vape both have that lag before it kicks in, I like smoking better because I feel like I can more accurately keep track of how high I am.

Need some 4% THC shit like it’s 1977 again.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, April 24, 2023 12:13 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Was cooking dinner the other night, annoyed about the pungent aroma of the weed that my son has been bongripping in the garage, when I accidentally spilled some oregano on the stove burner. I was like "Yes! This is what weed should smell like!" We need weed that has been stepped on with kitchen spices again.

I'm lucky I never got into cigs. feel like I should've at some point because pretty much all my friends smoke. it was pretty obnoxious that they'd all go out for a smoke break every hour and I'd just be left inside sitting on my hands. eventually I started going out with them and smoking some myself but I never liked it. I tell myself I don't do it for health reasons, or because I hate smelling like smoke (especially being married to a non-smoker), or because it fucking sucks having to constantly go outside when you live in a state where it's cold 7 months out of the year, but the reality is I never caught anything more than a mild buzz off it

weed was kinda the same thing for a while because we got that cheap shit that high schoolers get, which maybe was actually cut with spices and brillo pads. I remember rolling really awful Js and then spending the next 2 hours thinking "am I high yet?". all I remember is getting a little freaked out by the Simpsons. then we got some actual decent weed and it changed everything. 15 minutes in I'm physically unable to stop headbanging to "Mother Sky" by Can and I'm just like...hmmm...now I get it. it's nice. I still try to do more edibles for the sake of my lungs though. I don't really like that feeling that you've burned the back of your throat or the pipes that lead to your ears.

I have never successfully smoked a cigarette. Just can't.

For a while I lived in Richmond, Virginia, a tobacco-centric city, surrounded by smokers... I love the smell of drying tobacco.

Every few years I would buy a pack of unfiltered Camels out of love for the design and for the smell when freshly opened pack of Camels.

Burning them, though... the smoker quickly gets nose-blind to the smell and it's infinitely worse when burning than before.

As a silly English major I smoked a pipe for a while - nose-blindedness is a problem there too. Pipe tobacco can be quite nice but the smoker doesn't smell it in the same way as a nonsmoker does. These dynamics get glossed over but to me they are important factors.

I have smoked plenty of weed but prefer gummies these days.

i'm in brooklyn for the first time since legalization. i hadn't really fully clocked that you can legally smoke weed anywhere it's legal to smoke tobacco. the smell of weed is eeeeverywhere. people just toking out in front of the police station. it is absolutely wild. can very easily imagine people going to the airport and forgetting they have a joint in their backpack. you know, people that are not me

i'm a little suspect of your average bodega weed, but i like that it's possible to buy weed at any time pretty much anywhere now. smell of brooklyn in the summer is very much weed + match light charcoal.

Ohare has "cannabis amnesty" boxes for folks who wind up at the airport with an overlooked spliff in their pocket...

And they are INSIDE security…

I have seen those, and pretty much just assume that it's a rotating privilege among security and TSA staff to "safely dispose" of the contents of the amnesty boxes.

Friday night! Let's see what bounty we have in the amnesty box!

...that thought did cross my mind..

A rather more daring, slightly more ACAB-minded person than myself might consider testing this hypothesis by putting some drug-like substances in there, but with decidedly unsavory ingredients.

Here you go, O'Hare cops! Enjoy this dime bag of oregano and rat poison!

Oh hey, what's this that I just discovered in my luggage? Could it be a half a cup of dried basil mixed with a tablespoon of fentanyl? I dunno. I guess you'd better check!

(Preemptively denouncing myself for even having these sinister thoughts; I'll show myself out.)

My understanding (gleaned through conversations with Phish heads, so maybe find secondary confirmation) is that the TSA don't realy care about weed anymore, although local police in the city you're flying into might, and carrying it over international borders is, of course, bad.

I suspect with more and more states going legal it would probably cripple an airport to try do deal with small amounts of weed

xp to peace, man: when I crave solid, actionable information about the state of American law enforcement and jurisprudence, I always look to my favorite jam-band forums.

I probably would have known nothing about the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 2016, were it not for my bros on the DMBfanz board. Those dudes totally helped me understand both the controversial fiscal policy of quantitative easing, AND the awesomeness of the bassline of "Ants Marching."

My DMB-adjacent homies have so far been quiet about the intricacies of cannabis enforcement in major US airports, but that's probably because Chad is taking a nap and the rest of the guys are out playing Ultimate in the quad.

And ums otm, I'm sure 85% of the time they don't want to have to parse the complexities of whether you're flying from a legal jurisdiction to an illegal one or vice versa.

weed>cigs