CIGARETTES VS weed

I like to think I have pretty good buzz maintenance skillz. I can generally incorporate three drinks into an evening where I need to keep my wits about me (like a date or work function), and stop before things get troublesome. Beer and wine (by nature of their volume) can slow the progression down, compared to hard drinks. When drinking vodka (for example), one can accidentally speed past the mild-buzz stage, going straight from sober to puking-on-the-hostess without having that pleasantly-buzzed stage in between.

In my youth (early 90s), I could take two or three hits from a bowl/joint, or one bong hit, then still do stuff like play music in a club setting. Much more than that, and I might have been inappropriately giggling in a corner about the inherent funniness of dryer lint. Nowadays, I know that potency requires a different calculation. I fear I'd blow way past the mild-buzz and dryer-lint stages, and end up ping-ponging between terror, masturbation, and sleep.

in the masturbation vein, I don't think cigarettes or nicotine have given anyone as much pleasure as the ex-girlfriend who smoked to manage nerve pain from a car crash but had never received cunnilingus while high

Thread predictably drifting from weed and cigarettes into booze.

These days it's to mitigate the effects of drinking.

agree, it's practically a miracle hangover cure (provided you don't have to do anything that day)

just put on a cool record and chill

― marcos, Monday, October 24, 2016 10:19 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is very often the answer afaic

― The times they are a changing, perhaps (map), Monday, October 24, 2016 2:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

one thing that always cracks me up (I'm a sometimes guy, not every day at all) is like what Puffin says but on a way smaller scale. I KNOW I'm gonna listen to music. That's a given. Probably on headphones. But....WHAT music? *scrolls through iTunes for an hour without choosing because the moment it hits it's gonna be so sweet, fuck...metal? Wu-Tang? what about that one time we all listened to Beethoven high fuck that was incredible...wow I'm still wearing headphones without sound waiting to pick something to play, must've been here for an age*

i specifically make choices pre-smoke. like i have the movie i want to watch decided or the albums or whatever. plus any food i may want to eat lol.

isten to the blue nile hats while lying on the floor. drink some tea. eat pasta with tomato sauce.

not sure why Neil Tennant never included this in "Left To My Own Devices."

i think one of the worst experiences i've ever had w/ drugs is smoking a joint w/ tobacco & weed mixed. it was awful

this is the standard way people smoke weed on the UK FWIW. only hardcore people who spend most of their spare budget on herb roll pure spliffs.

*in the uk

I always cut my joints with clip. tastes better and smokes way less harsh

I feel like combining the two subverts the natural order

weed mixed w/tobacco is awful for anyone who doesn't smoke cigs

thread answer is weed of course. there is a legal shop around 200 feet from our house.

one thing that always cracks me up (I'm a sometimes guy, not every day at all) is like what Puffin says but on a way smaller scale. I KNOW I'm gonna listen to music. That's a given. Probably on headphones. But....WHAT music? *scrolls through iTunes for an hour without choosing because the moment it hits it's gonna be so sweet, fuck...metal? Wu-Tang? what about that one time we all listened to Beethoven high fuck that was incredible...wow I'm still wearing headphones without sound waiting to pick something to play, must've been here for an age*

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:11 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol oh man this is so otm

this is the standard way people smoke weed on the UK FWIW. only hardcore people who spend most of their spare budget on herb roll pure spliffs.

This is not remotely accurate, btw

? Is wherever I've been. I know like one person who rolls straight spliffs without baccy and I don't know how he affords it cos you'd rip through your stash in an instant if you didn't.

also I sometimes find pure rolls really harsh and vomit inducing - the difference between a mellow pint of beer and doing a shot.

it's a little weird to read about spliffs elsewhere when tobacco is just so stigmatized in the weed region i find myself in (the western u.s., which is kind of the weed capital of the world right now?). it's been a long time since i bought any, and in the state i'm in it's still very much illegal, but the impression i get is that it's not that much more than a standard prescription drug copay for an eighth of very good stuff.

meanwhile the price of cigs is always going up

Have to say that I agree with dog latin on this one - smoking weed with tobacco is standard in the UK, and I'm surprised to see Ward claim that it isn't. Though vaping it is becoming a thing over here now (not as much as it seems to be in the States but it is a thing).

I still really enjoy cigarettes but at the same time I realise that if I wasn't a smoker I would be so much better off, so I can't wholeheartedly vote cigarettes. Then again, cigarettes don't make me horribly paranoid.

one thing that always cracks me up (I'm a sometimes guy, not every day at all) is like what Puffin says but on a way smaller scale. I KNOW I'm gonna listen to music. That's a given. Probably on headphones. But....WHAT music? *scrolls through iTunes for an hour without choosing because the moment it hits it's gonna be so sweet, fuck...metal? Wu-Tang? what about that one time we all listened to Beethoven high fuck that was incredible...wow I'm still wearing headphones without sound waiting to pick something to play, must've been here for an age*

― though she denies it to the press, (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, October 25, 2016 12:11 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol oh man this is so otm

― just sayin, Tuesday, October 25, 2016 3:34 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loool

i've learned to just put on shuffle -- i never know what's going to sound right until i hear it. i might put on shuffle not high and skip 20 tracks until i find something i want to hear but when high usually i find something fascinating happening within a couple tracks

efforts to pick out something before smoking never work out bc i change my mind i smoke

I smoke cigs but I've managed to ween myself off them enough never to smoke in the day and very often I can go for up to a day or two without giving into cravings, so long as I keep myself occupied. That said, as soon as I'm in a social setting, especially if it involves alcohol there's no stopping me. I've managed to go for at least three week-or-more no-smoking bouts this year, but I just haven't been able to kick em properly. Do like weed now and again but I tend to buy it once every other pay day and get high every night for a week. Then I realise I've done nothing but scroll through my music library for 7 days and knock it on the head.

weed >>>> cigarettes

in Denmark it's very hard to buy ordinary weed/grass and unless you grow your own you most likely buy either hashish or what we call skunk, probably not unlike those OG Kush things I hear about on Snoop Doggs tv show, like extra strong weed

you can smoke skunk pure, but it's fairly strong

maybe you can smoke hashish without tobacco, in a vape or smth, but what people do is they roast a cigarette with a lighter and then mix it with hashish, roasting the tobacco supposedly gets the nicotine/bad taste out

wait you like hold the cig up to your lighter flame and roast it like a marshmallow or what

i absolutely love weed, it is such a useful drug for me for all kinds of reasons, social interaction, stress relief, creativity, self-reflection, curiosity, thoughtfulness, appreciation of art, nature, food, music. it is the best. i took a break for a number of years in my twenties (mostly bc i didn't have a connect tbh) and started again a few years ago and i am very happy it is back in my life again.

― marcos,

co-sign on all of that, even the break in my twenties.

Pretty much all weed anyone has smoked in Europe and the US has been functionally the same for 20 years. There's a lot of mythology about strains and quality/power, but the differences in THC content have been pretty small from what I can tell and other cannabinoids like CBD have been largely nonexistent. You see people talk about 30% THC strains but per one of the labs that tests in legal states, the numbers are realistically much lower.

are you high right now?

i don't know what i'm talking about wrt weed but i know enough to know that you definitely don't know what you're talking about wrt weed

map yeah you kinda move the cigarette back and forth quickly so it gets v hot without catching fire

if you're roasting a lot of tobacco at once you can also do it in a microwave or frying pan

Pretty much all weed anyone has smoked in Europe and the US has been functionally the same for 20 years.

like i'm not sure what exactly you mean by this, weed has always been the same species of plant with similar effects on humans, yep, but this is like saying 'all beer anyone has drunk has been functionally the same for 20 years,' very basically misleading about a recent explosion of varieties and experiences in the market.

xp interesting, never heard of that before

you can smoke skunk pure, but it's fairly strong

That's why I dispute what Dog Latin is saying - even a little (say a quarter, for which I would pay abt £50) of v strong skunk can last a long(ish) time, you can get wasted p easily on half a well-packed pure skunk joint a night, which I'm guessing would amount to abt 2-3 full pipe/bong bowls?

And on that yr quarter wld last you 2-3 weeks, £20-£30 a week at most, doesn't strike me as lavish beyond all reason

bc bud def >>>> the stuff britishers smoke

Perfect phrasing in that last post, Ward, great stuff

like i'm not sure what exactly you mean by this, weed has always been the same species of plant with similar effects on humans, yep, but this is like saying 'all beer anyone has drunk has been functionally the same for 20 years,' very basically misleading about a recent explosion of varieties and experiences in the market.

Howso? All that is myth and marketing. "This OG Kush Blueberry Haze White Widow will knock you out, man."

The entire idea of different strains is pretty much bunk - even the 'indica' and 'sativa' thing has no basis. Marijuana is made up of a variety of cannabinoids (THC, CBD, CBN, THCV, etc. but recreationally the only one in any real quantity until recently has been THC) and terpenes (which a lot of hippie weed publications talk about, but which are present in such small numbers that they wouldn't do much but change how some weed smells).

Unless you were buying specific tested weed since legalization, all the weed you've ever smoked has been high in THC (lots of myths about potency, both the lack of potency in the past and levels today) and less than .5% by weight of anything else. If it was old weed, some of that THC may have converted to CBN (which is soporific). Effects beyond what THC does (gets you high, increases melatonin production so you sleep, etc.) are likely a placebo. (Another vector is method of consumption - edible work very differently because THCA is processed by the liver to something different than what happens when you smoke or vape; vaporizing is vastly more efficient at delivering THC than joints or pipes, etc.)

There is a possibility now with legalization and testing, for other components to come to the forefront (THCV is a shorter acting, stronger cannabinoid that suppresses appetite, ie anti-munchy weed) but strains like that remain few and far between.

here is a wide variety of parameters and concentrations available at the shop across the street from me:

https://www.leafly.com/dispensary-info/nectar---eugene/menu

Critical Cure

Green Dragon | THC: 10.18% CBD: 16.54%

Durban Poison

Terra Canna Farms | THC: 19.87% CBD: 1.01%

Critical Mass

Green Dragon | THC: 10.18% CBD: 16.54%

etc

and yeah all this stuff is 1.5 years after legalization, all tested, build the market and they will come

weed mixed w/tobacco is awful for anyone who doesn't smoke cigs

speak for yrself sheesh

ya i smoked joints w clip long before i smoked cigs and didn't mind. even now i'm barely a smoker, just smoke 1-2 cigarettes per night after a joint

what's the best cigarette of the day: first one in the morning, after coffee, or last before bed?

After dinner and wine.

i smoke cigarettes sometimes, but have always hated tobacco in joints, and found the combination difficult to smoke. my mother-in-law likes to pretend that she has quit smoking, and in front of my wife never smokes cigarettes: instead she smokes little pinner spliffs that she maintains have very little tobacco in them - they are probably about 60% tobacco. and every so often i forget this and accept her offer of a drag of one and splutter my lungs out.

I started smoking cigarettes to cover up the smell of weed when I was younger, never did it all that regularly, have gone long stretches without them, and never NEEDED nicotine but they're pretty great at particular times.

Weed though is great. Definitely overdid it in college but that was probably more of a symptom of some problems and not necessarily the problem itself.

It's like the opposite of my morning coffee, the thing that winds me down at the end of the day. It gives everything a glorious fuzz while watching a movie or whatever show my wife and I are currently hooked on, is great for staying up and playing the guitar, and is the most effective thing at quieting all the twitchy anxious thoughts I have racing around and allows me to focus on the good things. It amplifies my feelings so I don't like it when I'm abnormally stressed or depressed but only when I'm in a generally good space.

And I used to thing the strain thing was a bunch of hippie stoner bullshit but now that I can get legal, tested, consistent, branded stuff from my local stores I definitely find that I notice differences and prefer certain ones over others, just like getting drunk on tequila is different from getting drunk on wine. Legality also means I never get paranoid anymore which is a great bonus.

i just like it because it gets me high

Mm, cigarettes are good for that

That's why I dispute what Dog Latin is saying - even a little (say a quarter, for which I would pay abt £50) of v strong skunk can last a long(ish) time, you can get wasted p easily on half a well-packed pure skunk joint a night, which I'm guessing would amount to abt 2-3 full pipe/bong bowls?

― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, October 25, 2016 10:17 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not sure I completely understand this post but maybe there's something obvious that's going over my head (LOL stoners). Are you rolling very very small joints or how is this working? Even if I were to use a regular-sized rizla and make a roll-up sized spliff, I'd be using a pretty decent chunk of my stash wouldn't I? Plus it would blow my head off. Always thought the reason for mixing-in tobacco is the same as putting mixers in drinks - to fill it out and to dissipate the high over time. Maybe it depends if you're smoking with other people or alone. Really I find that a little crumbling of about 3/4 tobacco to 1/4 skunk is more than enough to make a pretty strong joint, and that's how p much everyone I know rolls.

It's like the opposite of my morning coffee, the thing that winds me down at the end of the day. It gives everything a glorious fuzz while watching a movie or whatever show my wife and I are currently hooked on, is great for staying up and playing the guitar, and is the most effective thing at quieting all the twitchy anxious thoughts I have racing around and allows me to focus on the good things. It amplifies my feelings so I don't like it when I'm abnormally stressed or depressed but only when I'm in a generally good space.

OTM, although I tend to find that it plays havoc with my short-term memory when watching films and TV. I enjoy them at the time but sometimes can't recall plotlines and details the next day. Once or twice a film has gone by and I feel like I may as well have watched the trailer.
I love playing the guitar though. Anxious thoughts? This goes back to the TV thing - sometimes I'll be watching a show and suddenly I'll realise I've been thinking about something totally different (usually 'Man, I wish I had my guitar down here right now, that would be SICK') but sometimes it's more anxious or paranoid thoughts.
I find my tolerance levels go up very quickly too. If I haven't smoked for a while I'll definitely notice the effects. A few nights on the trot though and it's just a pleasant background buzz, but I'll notice my productivity lags a bit the next day, which is why I tend to give myself frequent breaks.

No, I'm rolling a fairly fat kingsize rizla spliff - yr 'stash' must be tiny (well under a quarter) if one of those a night uses up a 'pretty decent chunk' of it. A properly weighted quarter will yield many 'pure' spliffs (or bong/pipe hits). Again, my point is that w/ strong skunk a little goes a long way - so no need to fill it out w/ tobacco, unless you want to dilute the smoke (in which case, why bother to smoke skunk at all, why not just smoke some sensi or thai or something?)

I tend to find that it plays havoc with my short-term memory when watching films and TV. I enjoy them at the time but sometimes can't recall plotlines and details the next day

I once thought about (and I was p high at the time) how great it would be to have a Men In Black-like flashing device to make you forget plot twists in movies. Shortly thereafter, I realized the answer was right in front of me all along.

weed>cigs