Because It's 2016: Canadian Politics in Sunnier Days

The national debt question is the only one I would take especially seriously. The question about the divisibility of Quebec, and FN treaties, seem most serious to me.

Uh, to clarify this, the latter issues, about whether Quebec would also be divisible, especially given unceded FN land, or land that was ceded under treaties to the Crown, are the most serious issues imo, but they are not even touched on in the first response.

"What about the roughly 1 million French speaking people in Canada who don't live in Quebec, and the roughly 1 million English speaking people who do"

This is just dumb. There are already lots of speakers of minority languages in the country, and in many other countries, and they seem to get by.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:27 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there are a few things you don't seem to understand or you take them very lightly, but what he is referring to is that would those french-speakers be considered quebec citizens and not canadian citizens? both? canadian citizens and not quebec citizens? what about casting their vote, before and after the referendum, etc.?

furthermore, how can a government represent you when you did not vote for it or have a say in the referendum?

Presumably, people who were official residents of Quebec prior to a referendum would become Quebec citizens and people who were not would not, regardless of their first language. Afaik, QC residents vote in referenda and non-residents do not. Why would a francophone in Edmonton be considered a Quebec citizen just because they speak French? You're right that I don't understand this and take it lightly.

I mean, there might be a transitional period when a QC government would decide to fast-track immigration of Canadian francophones or vice versa.

Under the category of 'shit I'd've been LOLing over if I'd read it prior to Tuesday':

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/sam-oosterhoff-ontario-pc-candidate-niagara-west-glanbrook-1.3818897

Sam Oosterhoff could soon become the MPP for Niagara's wine country, and he's barely old enough to drink (legally).

Oosterhoff, 19, is the Progressive Conservative candidate in the Nov. 17 byelection in Niagara West-Glanbrook. If he wins, he will become the youngest MPP in Ontario's history.

[. . .]

Oosterhoff's Facebook likes include the "We can end abortion" community and the Libertarian Christian Institute — as well as the indie bands Imagine Dragons and Death Cab for Cutie.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/11/11/if-donald-trump-kills-nafta-canada-could-benefit-walkom.html

i have mixed feelings about remembrance day. if it were only about the world wars, they would be less mixed

but anyway, cohen reciting in flanders fields: https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2016/11/11/listen-to-leonard-cohen-recite-in-flanders-fields.html

It's coming here too; we have to get coherent. While most Canadians tend to act with fundamental decency, it's in large part a culturally enforced characteristic, and you don't have to scratch too deeply below the surface of most white Canucks to expose xenophobia. Most people I talk to - and myself as well - are probably better informed about US politics and culture than Canadian, many admire and emulate American "freedom" and ideological individualism, and we seem to pretty consistently lag US social and political trends by a few years, bringing in Mulroney after Reagan, Chrétien pretty much concurrently with Clinton, Harper after Bush, Trudeau after Obama. The coming years will be a battle for the hearts & minds of swing voters (i.e. most of the population) especially if the "alt"-right gains mainstream traction in the US and Europe as it seems likely to. Under that polite surface there's a lot of incoherent fear and resentment. I think the strength of institutions will prevent us from electing a real demagogue, but our values are in more peril than I hear anyone admitting and I could see us becoming a Vichy-type lapdog state under a new Harper without too much resistance.

otm dilettante. we better engage with the white middle class now before it's too late, and all the while continue to fight for indigenous and environmental rights. it's seems like a tight rope to walk but we can do it.

I mean, Rob Ford happened in Toronto. Pauline Marois happened in Quebec. Canada isn't immune to what happened on Nov. 8.

whats his name, jason kenney, ffs, managed to convince vast numbers of non-white canadian immigrants to vote for the most anti-non-white-canadians party. i still shudder when i think about the words "old stock"

http://www.homedouglas.com/bbc/collection/e/extra-old-stock-1988/extra-old-stock-1988.jpg
Ruined my ironic shitty beer of choice forever.

also kellie leith is p much the definition of an elite

― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 November 2016 12:20 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Khristinn Kellie Leitch PC OOnt MP, orthopaedic surgeon, former think tank chair

― harold melvin and the bluetones (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 10 November 2016 12:23 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Does the American anti-intellectual/anti-'elite'/'I could have a beer with him' tendency have the same kind of currency in Canadian politics? Rob Ford is the only major example I can think of; maybe Ralph Klein? Generally, my impression was that Canadians prefer their leaders to be elitist, arrogant assholes.

Re the Walkom, I'm also sort of curious about NAFTA. As I said on the US thread, I have concerns about the way corporations have been able to sue the Canadian government over environmental legislation.

But, yeah, to be clear, I totally agree that Leitch is being ridiculously hypocritical about "out of touch elites".

That strain is very much alive at a grassroots level, but I think the structure of our system really works against maverick schlubs gooning their way to the top. I work among lots of folks who look enviously over the border at Trump, the Nevada militias, direct democracy, redneck pride, anti-PCorrectness, etc. Lots of provincial-level politicians in the West esp during the heyday of the Alliance moment were way more aligned with anti-elitism than with traditional Toryism. I do think we're a bit insulated from a tidal wave of it by our institutions but there's no question it's a force - & going to be a larger one as time goes on.

Cult of personality (related phenom) very much alive in Can. Politics today (probably an inescapable feature of modern politics going forward, actually). Klein a great example, but not too much of a stretch to Notley and Trudeau "seeming like really nice people" or "something about Mulcair just rubs me the wrong way" (whereas Layton's NDP with the same platform would have done much better in the popular vote) or how much Calgarians idolize Nenshi - very little of their approbation or dislike seems to have much to do with policy (in general) & way more to do with charisma. Criticism of policy often seems more a justification for personal feelings about the projected image than real ideological disagreement.

I can't explain a decade of lizard-mask Harper by thiat theory at all, so yeah it breaks down at some point.

Not saying that personality/charisma are unimportant but does Trudeau's charisma come from anyone imagining he could have a beer and watch the game with them in Timmins? I thought he had more of a Prince Charming thing going on, and his father was the epitome of the elite by any definition.

Probly shouldn't have confused the question by conflating the 2 phenoms. I blame my adhd.

Are there any good Canadian political/cultural podcasts? I don't need them to lean left necessarily (actually, the less partisan the better). I dug Canadaland for a while, but the tone grated on me - it began to seem like a long advertisement for how brave and on-the-edge the host is.

The strategists was great but sadly ended a couple months ago

Anyone follow this one? http://www.mediaindigena.com/podcast I want to find good sources for Canadian indigenous politics.

http://www.canadalandshow.com/ is my favorite.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/opioid-crisis-meeting-1.3856740

'Canada has the world's second-highest per capita consumption of prescription opioids, said Philpott, noting that in some parts of the country, drug overdoses are killing more people than motor vehicle accidents.' I know at least one person that has struggled with Oxycontin, but I didn't know it was that widespread. Maybe someone who knows about medical sciences could tell me if they are benefits at not banning fentanyl?

the opiate epidemic is p huge. i don't think banning fentanyl would do much - pretty sure most of the fentanyl that finds its way into street drugs is not acquired legally.

Is the US #1?

https://biggiesplace.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/bridge-would-it-help-2.gif

according to a cbc bit tonight the fentanyl in canada is mainly imported from china

The Trump election has gotten me thinking a lot about Canadian politics and the level of complacency at large in this country, and what might be done to help combat it. I'm thinking seriously in becoming involved in the political process on a local level (here in TO) but I really have no idea where to start. (This is also influenced by the fact that, at 30, I finally have steady, reliable employment, not to mention no local family and few friends to take up my time or attention. Might as well try to be useful.) I'm wondering if anyone itt has experience with getting enmeshed in local politics.

No experience, but good luck. The election has me feeling a sense of personal complacency and a need to reach out more. Maybe by volunteering.

Thanks, jmm. Getting started by reading up on the NDP and Green platforms and their reps in my riding (University-Rosedale).

I volunteered a little with Brian Masse's campaign in Windsor West in 2011. It was fun!

I'm still processing the US election tbh, though.

Love Hebert: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/19/cold-hard-reality-about-to-hit-the-liberals-on-three-fronts-hbert.html

sunnier days indeed

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/29/liberals-approve-trans-mountain-line-3-pipeline-projects.html

This is going to be such an endless clusterfuck

this is going to be fucking mayhem in metro vancouver

i live in a bubble, of course, but literally everyone i socialize with and my in-law family in bc are dead against the transmountain expansion

https://dogwoodinitiative.org/letter-shows-trudeau-ready-break-promise-kinder-morgan/

This one is intense: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/prime-minister-you-failed-to-do-your-job-by-approving-pipelines/article33199170/

we seem to pretty consistently lag US social and political trends

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/chris-alexander-lock-her-up-chant-anti-carbon-tax-1.3880911

https://www.mydemocracy.ca/

tell the gov what you think about electoral reform

I'm a pragmatist! Was hoping I was Tyron Lannister but apparently he isn't an option.

im an innovator apparently

fyi, they use census weights to make sure results are representative (correct for self-selection bias) so if u don't fill out the demographics ur answer is discarded:

https://twitter.com/robgillezeau/status/805877752695951361

it's pretty awfully designed in general but that is quite hilarious, what a mess (altho tbh unless you live in a very sparsely populated/homogenous postcode im not really sure about the privacy concerns people would have)

i am NOT sympathetic to the privacy concerns because i've been on the other end, having done research in Statistics Canada's Research Data Centers (tiny room with no windows in basement of a University library) and the privacy/confidentiality requirements are absurdly stringent

Ha, I was an innovator too. Half of the description doesn't seem to apply to me, though. I leaned against online voting and strongly disagreed with mandatory voting any time it came up.

But I think it's the only group for people who want more options/preferences on ballots.

I had similar answers. What a bunch of bullshit first past the post propaganda