Quentin Tarantino's "The Hateful Eight"

'should I be enjoying this' ruined my first receipt of head and upon consideration I've made a firm decision to never ask it again

deems wtf are u talking about

I don't want to know

agreed, nvm

The uselessness of the question "should I be enjoying this" was that not clear

you my first receipt of head it mate

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There's so much interesting stuff in IB. What about the fact that the Jewish resistance turns to suicide bomber tactics? Or the fact that Landa is actually the one non-ideological character? Or that the whole charade is so incompetent it would have immediately failed if it wasn't for Landa's treason? (I love that scene where the camera circles around the characters until Landa laughingly steps backwards, making the camera jerk backwards. It's like the whole plan falls off course)

i think deems is talking about a first viewing (''receipt'') of the Monkees' classic ''Head'' but I'm not sure that helps.

Agreed that the ''we are the Nazi audience'' tension is right there in front of you in IB. Pitt being an engaging movie star doesn't blunt the critique, it's essential to it imho since if we didn't identify with the Basterds as heroes we couldn't be brought to a queasy point of questioning ourselves when we get to the Nazis watching ''Nations Pride.'' Idk if it all resolves super tidily but it's sooooooo much more effective at this kind of troubling than anything else I've seen by Tarantino, or e.g. Nolan's Batman movies where the ostensible attempt to make a complex essay into the problematics of vigilanteism just falls apart completely, suggesting the filmmaker is just in denial about being a fascist.

Hateful Eight is such a weird dud that it makes perfect sense to talk about Basterds here instead.

Agreed that the ''we are the Nazi audience'' tension is right there in front of you in IB. Pitt being an engaging movie star doesn't blunt the critique, it's essential to it imho since if we didn't identify with the Basterds as heroes we couldn't be brought to a queasy point of questioning ourselves when we get to the Nazis watching ''Nations Pride.''

eh it does, in way that Stewart The Decent Man in his Hitchcock movies does not, in large part b/c Pitt is often a boring actor who can only project heroic poses, as a result of which Tarantino cast him. I can believe a Critique of These War Movies if Pitt suggested more than a Teuton with a fabulous jaw.

never actually finished watching Hateful Eight. QT seems well into his Bart Simpson St Swithin's Day play phase -- ie, movies where every character's dialogue is the sound of one man talking to himself, and unless you're really into that guy's voice, almost impossible to take seriously or (in my case) even endure to completion

this started off quite well i thought, got me thinking it was going to be some sort of american history-serving-as-contemporary-parable sort of film, with QT trying out some sort of political discursiveness for once. but then, its still QT, so of course, it ends up descending into slapstick murders, a scene about big black peckers, and a woman getting abused/attacked for 2.5 hours. (spoiler: i expected JJL's character to be allowed more of a comeback, but instead, her character amounts to a punch bag for the whole movie.)

im filing this along with PTA's last one, as an american auteur trying to remind modern audiences about cinemas being places for big statements, and the power of celluloid (as if that is enough in itself) but like PTA, tarantino doesnt really have that much of interest to say. id say at this point in his career, hes terminally stuck in his juvenile 70s movie heaven. there were some possible avenues to say something about gender, race, and he almost got there a few times (the use of the n word is so pervasive youre forced by the end of it to hate how casually its accepted and deployed), class even (at least in how tim roth's accent switches) but his need to entertain got the better of him. its also highly un subversive - the sheriff/representation of law ends up the good guy/saviour, the woman has nothing to do, the black character's most notable scene is about his penis, which i guess has some sort of mainstream shock value, but isnt really doing anything new, and i basically hated every single character in there.

if QT was operating in an earlier era, at this stage in his career, after a film like this, id like to think someone at the studio would be taking him down a peg or two. but then what do i know, on wikipedia, it says it made 3 times its budget.

id maybe say the same about the word bitch as about the n word in this.

this is the rare QT film where both words arent written/uttered with glee.

I was reading a bit about King Hu, which talked about Dragon Gate Inn and how 'inn-film' used to be a big thing in wuxia cinema, the inn as a place where political factions meet and hash it out through violence. And that has to be where Tarantino has it from, right? Except there aren't really any political sides in Hateful Eight, just a bunch of hate and violence. Which is a point in itself.

I want to point out again the final song: There won't be many coming home. There is a sadness to the violence in this film, that wasn't there in his last few. One of the people in the flashback being killed to 'Now You're All Alone' as well, and Samuel Jacksons character lying dying and muttering along to the fake Lincoln letter. I need to rewatch, but it's stayed with me for more than a year at this point.

the closing song does lend all that went before a sadness, but while there is def a sadness to the verbal abuse, there isnt to the violence. this is a film that relishes the gore as much as inglorious basterds. the blood is just endless in this. the mexican guy gets his head blown clean off. the brother gets his brains exploded on to his sister. not much sad about either. thats giving QT credit where its not deserved. his need to provide his audience with thrills will always overrule any other ideas of his. i wish the political themes this had were more pronounced, and just followed through better.

But there is definitely sadness to the flashback. No, the villains are destroyed gleefully, but that the 'good guys' are destroyed as well - and really aren't that good, the two men are only able to unite across in their hatred of a woman... - is depicted as tragic.

true. also interesting for how, for all that women and minorities are always grouped together as being oppressed, JJL def doesnt see it that way, in how she appeals to the sherrif to rail against jackson's character. the whole film could have been sharper i think, but maybe that would have taken out some of its weight. made me want to go back and watch some old peckinpah.

Everything I imagine while watching this movie is definitely a fact

Fake Movie.

I'm not really into Tarantino, I didn't bother seeing anything since Kill Bill 2 but I thought this was pretty awesome and my favourite by him. Great ending too.

I guessing I'm the only person who likes this one the most.

Hateful Eight is such a weird dud that it makes perfect sense to talk about Basterds here instead.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, February 14, 2017 8:36 PM (three months ago)

Bone Tomahawk >>>>>> The Hateful Eight

Yes.

lol no

Slow West >>>>>> The Hateful Eight

Bone Tomahawk >>>>>> The Hateful Eight

― Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 15 May 2017 01:56

Definitely not.

Bone Tomahawk is great. It's funny and more shocking and stranger. Hateful Eight is like watching (or listening?) to someone run in place for three hours.

man bone tomahawk was such a fuckin trip

Slow West >>>>>> The Hateful Eight

― your cognitive privilege (El Tomboto), 15. maj 2017 03:04 (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Even more definitely not.

I tried to watch this again last night (actually I had started watching Kill Bill - which is so good right from the very first frame - but was more in the mood for a western and it turned out this was streaming for free) in the hopes that a second viewing might improve my opinion of it... but nope. It really drags and drags instead of building tension, like QT doesn't know how to effectively scale down his schtick to what is essentially a stage play, the whole basic premise defeats him and we're left with a bunch of pointless diegetic dialogue and a couple isolated bursts of violence that don't carry any weight. SAD!

I thought Bone Tomahawk was fine but it drags way more than Hateful Eight. The latter was surprisingly fun and gave me a welcome kick of macabre glee like I haven't had in ages. Loved it. Goggins was particularly fun.

Huh. I thought Bone dragged on purpose, which made the violence and very fast action all the more shocking.

I can't wait to see Bone Tomahawk again. Can't imagine sitting through hateful eight ever again.

In what gravity well does Bone Tomahawk drag more than the Hateful Eight

I even prefer its stylized dialogue over hateful eight. It's funnier, too.

can we just burn this thread and salt the earth

jfc enough with bone tomahawk

That opening piece of music really is perfect too.

Pointless dialogue

Unlike yknow that other dialogue that changed the world

Remember back in October 92 when Reservoir Dogs taught us all what Like a Virgin was really about, and just a few weeks later Clinton won the election?

I'm with Vegemite but for the corollary

No Bone Tomahawk blows too, enough with making things last forever in the assumption it'll make us think it's meaningful or something

Say that to stonehenges face

I thought that was basically an attempt at a watch

Time is a phat circle iirc

Hey, all these new gory westerns are crap compared to the canon of olde. But man, The Hateful Eight sucked. It sucked. It was awful and terrible. It completely wasted its cast. Many, many bad television shows are better than the Hateful Eight, like the one where Andre Braugher is the captain of the last nuclear-armed submarine on earth. Let's kill this thread and talk more about Last Resort.

I stand by my assessment that it was fine, not great

in fact if anything all the complaining itt just makes me want to watch it again in the hopes that i might enjoy it more

"captain of the last nuclear-armed submarine on earth" sounds like catnip to me, i'm a sucker for all things submarine

I fucking hate this movie.