TONI ERDMANN, the lauded German corporate daughter/prankster dad comedy (?) film by Maren Ade

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My favourite film of 2016 and not a single minute is wasted in the nearly 3 hour running time. I love Ines' disintegration of her identity in the face of the corporate stronghold on her life. The nude party scene is key because she just wants to let go, but does not know how to navigate this. The scene reads as both an act of liberation and a "fuck it" moment. Love it.

Everything Moves Towards The Sun (Ross), Tuesday, 21 February 2017 22:17 (seven years ago) link

eh i do like its uniqueness but i found this a lil wearying & not particularly funny; it is v well-done & i like a lot of the choices it makes as it progresses; it is also easy to imagine it remade, likely in lowest common denominator fashion but jack prob isnt unretiring just to cash in so idk maybe itd be decent

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 22 February 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link

eh i do like its uniqueness but i found this a lil wearying & not particularly funny;

Agree, although Maren Ade has said she doesn't think it's a comedy. I just found the whole set up not convincing, even in an absurdist sense. I wouldn't disagree with anyone who loved it, it just wasn't really for me.

Heavy Doors (jed_), Wednesday, 22 February 2017 02:33 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

loved many things but perhaps most the fact that when the big emotional hug moment happens not only can you not see Dad's face but he's dressed up as a ball of hair! also excellent; the boss *coming back* to the party after he'd had some Dutch courage.

and yeah Plainsong omg.

piscesx, Monday, 13 March 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link

Plainsong was the cherry on top

Well bissogled trotters (Michael B), Monday, 13 March 2017 21:52 (seven years ago) link

two months pass...

Finally played somewhere near me and is probably my favourite film in many years. Hilariously funny when it needs to be and the story of a father who can't quite find a way to engage with his emotionally distant daughter hits home hard.

Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Tuesday, 16 May 2017 11:01 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Put me in the "I appreciate it, but I dunno if I actually like it" category, at least for now. One of the most frustrating viewing experiences I've had in a while, not because I was bored or unamused (I wasn't), but just because I never really felt like I could get a handle on it.

And while I get that there's a lot to digest here, I'm surprise no one itt mentioned the sex (?) scene.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link

Same, though I admit my contribution to the discussion would be "I can see why they cast that guy."

insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:50 (seven years ago) link

This is the most amazing book, btw, almost all of the costumes are mind blowing. http://www.charlesfreger.com/portfolio/wilder-mann/

http://www.charlesfreger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/charles_freger_wilder_mann_2010-2011_0042_babugeri.jpg

Whooremeister (jed_), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link

Put me in the "I appreciate it, but I dunno if I actually like it" category, at least for now. One of the most frustrating viewing experiences I've had in a while, not because I was bored or unamused (I wasn't), but just because I never really felt like I could get a handle on it.

And while I get that there's a lot to digest here, I'm surprise no one itt mentioned the sex (?) scene.

My response on first viewing. I was tantalized enough to give it a second viewing – and that's when I came away thinking it was a great film.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 7 June 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link

Two days later, its already growing on me.

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 9 June 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Girls creators Lena Dunham and Jenni Konner are in talks to scribe the film, which follows, in broad strokes, about a father trying to reconnect with his daughter. We reported recently that Jack Nicholson is set to play the father, with Kristen Wiig as the daughter. Additionally, producers include Will Ferrell and Adam McKay, which definitely suggests the piece will take on a different tone than the original.

ugh ugh ugh ugh ugh

some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Friday, 30 June 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link

lol lol lol lol lol

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 30 June 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link

Just once would I like to be in talks to scribe something

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 30 June 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link

ahahahaha

imago, Friday, 30 June 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link

this is literally the perfect storm of an artistic travesty

imago, Friday, 30 June 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link

I'd be in a talk and it'd be like

"Will you scribe this"

"Depends, who's helming it"

blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Friday, 30 June 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

lol

imago, Friday, 30 June 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

Bleurgh.

Meantimes, I recommended this to my parents and they loved it. Knew they would.

Fuck

flappy bird, Friday, 30 June 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

i wish i had seen this in theaters; i imagine the nude party brings down the house every time.
languorous, never indulgent; i think i liked it a lot? sure knows how to set up a punchline.
i will be avoiding an american remake like i have avoided no other american remake since oldboy

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 20 July 2017 03:48 (seven years ago) link

Jack Nicholson though... I'll probably see it for him.

jmm, Thursday, 20 July 2017 04:00 (seven years ago) link

ten months pass...

Thank Fucking God

flappy bird, Thursday, 24 May 2018 05:48 (six years ago) link

two months pass...

Saw a note on another forum that Nicholson has left the remake as well.

Ubering With The King (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 20:43 (six years ago) link

I was skeptical of this happening

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 20:53 (six years ago) link

Apparently there has already been a Netflix knockoff with the recent Like Father, starring Kristen Bell and Kelsey Grammer.

To me, a remake seems futile. Hollywood would inevitably smooth out or eliminate everything that made Toni so special, while keeping the story's unremarkable premise.

traurig, Sunday, 19 August 2018 14:01 (six years ago) link

agreed but to see Lena Dunham and Jack Nicholson doing it would've been incredible imo

flappy bird, Monday, 20 August 2018 06:28 (six years ago) link

They ought to collaborate on an original project.

traurig, Saturday, 1 September 2018 17:11 (six years ago) link

please no, wasn't Hackman making his last film w/ ray Romano enough for you?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 1 September 2018 17:28 (six years ago) link

Honestly don't care about the remake, Nicholson & Dunham or not, but if Ade got some funds out of it for her next project then it's all good.

traurig, Saturday, 1 September 2018 18:30 (six years ago) link

four years pass...

Watched this tonight for the first time since seeing it on the big screen thanks to it appearing on a 'top X comedies' list I read online. Happy to say it has not only held up for me in the intervening years, it's funnier than I ever remember it being.

Hello I'm shitty gatsworth (aldo), Saturday, 19 November 2022 23:23 (one year ago) link

one of my favorite movies of the past 10 years

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Saturday, 19 November 2022 23:32 (one year ago) link

yes, I only saw it once when it came out, but it really stuck with me, and I'm looking forward to seeing it again - but only with the right people

Dan S, Monday, 21 November 2022 02:16 (one year ago) link

I think about this film at least once a week. I can't believe what it gets away with.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2022 02:19 (one year ago) link

I remember liking it fine when it came out if not being quite as into it as everyone else, but I imagine upon a second viewing I could change my mind.

Meet Me in the Z'Ha'Dum (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 21 November 2022 02:25 (one year ago) link

She also made The Forest for the Trees and Everyone Else, both amazing films

Dan S, Monday, 21 November 2022 02:30 (one year ago) link

and each progressively better than the last. hoping for another one from her

karl...arlk...rlka...lkar..., Monday, 21 November 2022 03:10 (one year ago) link

I've seen this film and Everyone Else, and I may need to see them again at some point; I just read the plot summaries that were occasionally familiar but seemed emotionally remote from what I remembered of the actual experience of watching them.

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 21 November 2022 03:18 (one year ago) link

I need to rewatch it, but I can say for sure I haven't laughed harder at anything in years than at the culminating scene at the end of the party.

Which is immediately followed by its most heart-tugging scene. The timing of the film's beats is perfect even though its rhythms are odd.

and then Plainsong

too good

corrs unplugged, Monday, 21 November 2022 09:09 (one year ago) link

"The Greatest Love of All" scene truly among the all-timers

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Monday, 21 November 2022 13:45 (one year ago) link

So damned relieved the American version never got made

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Monday, 21 November 2022 13:47 (one year ago) link

I feel like a lot of recent Euro comedies have been mean-spirited in a nihilstic, mansplainy kind of way, but this isn't like that at all, and I loved that.

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 21 November 2022 15:51 (one year ago) link

yes, imagine Ruben Östlund directing this thing.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 November 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link

The petit fours scene alone ...

ex-McKinsey wonk who looks like a human version of a rat (Eric H.), Monday, 21 November 2022 15:57 (one year ago) link


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