Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

Surely what they need is words of wisdom from John Boehner.

If Boehner and Obama were somewhere on the beach right now sharing beers, I wouldn't be surprised.

I'd be surprised if Boehner was willing to share

boehner drunk, maudlin and weeping alone somewhere i hope

ohn Bolton just walked into the West Wing -- I asked him what he was doing, he smiled and said 'health care!!!!'

no fucking way

I am pretty certain Boehner is off somewhere still singing "Zip-a-dee Doo Dah"

C'mon Alfred, you could totally see this White House nominating him for Surgeon General.

can I just

"Mr. Bolton, what are you doing here today?"
"Health care!!!!"
"... You're 'doing' health care? What does that mean?"
"HEALTH CARE!!!!"
"Mr. Bolton, put your pants back on!"
"HEALTH! CARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Apparently the mustache wasn't waxed enough:

https://twitter.com/bkamisar/status/844958759550156800

Freedom Caucus members streaming out of WH now. All say no deal made, no "firm" changes agreed to.

'Moist' and 'soft' changes, however.

And a one-two:

https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/844957873482448896

Some news! Rep. Rowe says they're looking at stripping essential health benefits from individual market only. That's about 6% of total

https://twitter.com/_Drew_McCoy_/status/844958783780597760

This idea will have a shelf life of about 45 minutes once the US Chamber gets wind of it.

why does bannon hate ryan? just too prominent?

― mookieproof, Thursday, March 23, 2017 11:44 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why does that old man hate that cloud?

man I hope Ryan goes down in flames on this

You and Steve Bannon!

Thing is, having said that: I can't imagine this is exactly the way Bannon would want Ryan out, if only because of all the self-owning Trump's doing otherwise, even with his half-hearted 'yeah gotta pass something' attitude. It doesn't make the White House look stronger, it makes them all look ridiculous.

Didn't rumors float out that Bannon was against the health care plan after seeing some backlash?

Starting to wonder if Ryan knew this would go down all along, which is why they seem to have spent about two hours writing the bill

that doesn't make any sense, this whole accelerated schedule thing was his idea

i know to some hypothetical cheering the demise of key GOP members might edge too close to "politics as sport" but for me personally at least it's "proof that at least some part of society seems willing to reject the hateful rhetoric that's permeating the government", even if it's for the wrong reasons or if it's coming from far too few people.

they spent about two hours writing the bill because they dont care what it does, they aren't invested in how it works, only that it allows them to erase the most visible accomplishment of the obama admin

it's also a tax cut to Ryan's key demo

also it has to happen today because of ~symbolism~

I think ciderpress interpretation is the correct one

Current state of things:

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/844964445323452416

https://twitter.com/byrdinator/status/844964884429320192

Amash says Trump didn't offer anything other than Essential Health Benefits, which isn't enough for HFC. "It's a nonstarter," he says....White House only willing to offer EHB to HFC. There's not going to be a deal today. HIGHLY doubt this bill goes to the floor today.

And the thing to remember again is that this deadline is artificial. It's only there, along with the follow on to the Senate, so they can go on early April recess and claim a victory in the face of town halls that would hate them even more. Instead of having nothing, going on recess and facing town halls that will hate them anyway.

weird that they're getting stuck over 'essential health benefits' -- surely that could have been relabeled 'chick health entitlements' or something

I don't really get this, is there a scenario where there's a vote and it loses? Or are the two pathways "it passes" and "no vote"?

the latter, basically; they won't bring it to the floor if they don't think they have the votes

Correct. That is the absolutely last thing Ryan et al want, so either postponing the vote or just punting entirely makes more sense.

It's worth noting that a lot of muttering-turned-shouting over the past couple of weeks from right-leaning types, up to/including reps and senators, has been "Why are RUSHING this bill?" Typical current argument:

https://reason.com/blog/2017/03/23/the-gop-health-care-plan-debacle-proves

And again, the answer to the question is obvious, to score theoretically easy political points, and now that's clearly not possible.

How many of these chucklefucks are going to whine and cry about not getting the deference they deserve from their inferiors at Town Halls, then use that as a reason why they're not holding them?

They already are doing that!

One reason Bannon would want Ryan down is because he's ostensibly the head of the GOP.. without him its basically Trump and lol McConnell as the last men standing.

But I never got the impression that taking over the GOP was one of Bannons goals.. maybe Im refuting my own post.

yeah if this doesn't get through before the spring recess they are gonna get *hammered* in public. (They'd get hammered anyway, but passage of the bill will basically be impossible afterwards)

Why?

the preposterous "most productive president ever" lie becomes more transparent if they don't get this through

They already are doing that

Oh I know, I'm curious how the numbers change this time round

Why?

majorities are against this bill and activists are operating at a fever pitch, when they go home to town halls and get an earful, they aren't going to return to Washington eager to pass repeal, esp not this shitty bill. And if the GOP caucus goes "back to the drawing board" it will take them *forever* and derail other legislative priorities. Ryan's gamble that this is their only chance to get this done is correct. It can't wait til 2018 session, because ppl will be freaking out about losing their seats. It's now or never.

@SenPatRoberts
I deeply regret my comments on a very important topic. Mammograms are essential to women's health & I never intended to indicate otherwise.

it's pat

lol

Why?

Because the health care bill is less popular than the president.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/687352/trumps-healthcare-bill-already-worse-net-approval-rating-than-obamas

Pat Roberts should have his head microwaved

And these things only plummet further in popularity the more the bill makes it way through modifications and on to the Senate because 'compromises where nobody is happy' get made and the hard core supporters get pissed

but I dont think this bill has any actual hard core supporters other than ryan and trump

I doubt Trump supports it. He just wants to look like he's presidentin'.

well yeah the only reason he supports it is so he can be seen DOING THINGS VERY QUICKLY LIKE HE PROMISED

Ryan is it's only hardcore supporter, Trump doesn't gaf what's in the bill

I wonder if anyone's asked Nunes about it.

"Oh I hate it. Garbage. Ryan sucks. What?"

If you could believe these people are bright enough to be playing 5D chess I could see a scenario where Ryan is trying to get into a 'don't throw me into the briar patch & force a vote' thing with DT and have it blow up in DTs face but, again, you have to believe these people are bright enough...