and seems like an awful person
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link
or that if she has a case it opens up a troubling precedent for all kinds of claims we'd consider dubious
― Mordy, Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link
it seemed like her case was that she had enough money to keep the case going and put financial pressure on the other woman
― na (NA), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
xp. that was a particularly terrible way of phrasing that as i don't have any idea whether she has a case under new york state family law, but i mean, from an intuitive point of view this woman is not the child's parent and shouldn't be able to prevent the parent from taking the child to the uk just because she has money
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
The quiddities and agonies rich person introduction doesn't help my feelings toward Gunn.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
if anyone remembers his profile from a couple of years back, karl deissiroth, the stanford psychiatrist and neuroscientist, is speaking at my girlfriend's med school graduation.
― k3vin k., Thursday, 25 May 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
just finished that parenthood legal battle case and gunn is basically a monster
― k3vin k., Friday, 16 June 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/06/19/how-st-augustine-invented-sex
― Mordy, Sunday, 25 June 2017 03:22 (six years ago) link
I invented sex. You’re welcome, pals.
― the ghost of markers, Sunday, 25 June 2017 08:06 (six years ago) link
Well, for anyone that has been clamoring for a 20-page piece on Texas politics ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 July 2017 20:48 (six years ago) link
thoughts?
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/09/18/the-case-against-civilization
it's definitely an interesting piece but i found myself feeling v skeptical about its conclusions?
― Mordy, Monday, 18 September 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
Me too, but I loved it and got tons of sparks off it. Really want to read the book about bushmen it cites.
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Monday, 18 September 2017 21:10 (six years ago) link
James C. Scott is pretty good but you have to keep in mind his granaries-are-the-enemy-of-the-people thing goes back years and years and years.
Hunter-gatherers don't have pizza or beer so nah. Speaking of which I'm disappointed the piece doesn't even touch on the hypothesis that people went in for the Neolithic revolution because agriculture provides for a steady supply of booze.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 18 September 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
'moral economy of the peasant' is the best Scott imo
― flopson, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:17 (six years ago) link
whenever i come across this argument, wonder if they aren't idealizing the experience of tribal societies who happened to luckily live in abundance....for instance cabeza de vaca's account of living in pre-agricultural texas...no thanks.
i plan to read Scott's book though.
― ryan, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:28 (six years ago) link
Lillian Ross has died at 99. One of my all-time favorites is her profile of Hemingway. https://t.co/v20xA6LkZM— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) September 20, 2017
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:47 (six years ago) link
god it's exhausting reading that. such a bloviating old gasbag that seems conjured, an antic fictional character. those constant sporting metaphors, the shadow-boxing. hemingway really was a pos.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 22 September 2017 00:09 (six years ago) link
clearly you are NOT AN AMERICAN
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 00:33 (six years ago) link
unbelievably controlled writing. the picture she builds up, piece by piece, the oppressiveness of his tics. devastating
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 September 2017 09:04 (six years ago) link
there's something feminist about it, too.. she carefully records who does the unpacking, who keeps track of the toothbrush, who keeps the train on the tracks
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 22 September 2017 09:34 (six years ago) link
from Adam Gopnick's sharp review of Chernow's U.S. Grant bio:
A student of American prose could hold up Adams’s Grant-bashing memoir against Grant’s own memoir to define the two furthest points of American recollection: one discursive, mordant, allusive, and hyperbolic—exaggeration of affect is the key to Adams’s “education”—the other pointed, reduced, and understated. (Lincoln’s speeches, Grant’s memoirs, and Stephen Crane’s stories are the triple pillars of American stoical prose to this day.) What the two old enemies have in common, significantly, is a natural taste for irony: Grant’s understatements, like Adams’s self-mortifications, are meant to make the narrator seem modest while showing that he sees through everything. Grant underplays savage battles to escape the pretensions of heroic rhetoric; Adams overdramatizes his internal “lessons” to mock the earnest pretensions of intellect to master the commercial world. Grant’s battles have no heroism; they just happen. Adams’s education keeps sending him back to Go.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:48 (six years ago) link
Whenever I’m intimidated about how smart Gopnik is, I just have to remember the number of problems he’s solved.
This line of thinking might deserve its own thread.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
Man I don’t know I almost always skip gopnick he is hella annoying
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 28 September 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
^
― sean gramophone, Saturday, 30 September 2017 23:47 (six years ago) link
often annoying, but he's not always wrong (except about hockey)
this was otm
https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-dangerous-acceptance-of-donald-trump
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 October 2017 02:56 (six years ago) link
I find that there are very few New Yorker writers distinctive enough to be especially irritating. I've probably read dozens of Adam Gopnik pieces and I couldn't tell you a single thing about his writing.
― JRN, Sunday, 1 October 2017 04:19 (six years ago) link
heroic detachment ftw
― mookieproof, Sunday, 1 October 2017 04:23 (six years ago) link
Adam Gopkin said 9/11 Manhattan smelled like Mozarella cheese. That's what I remember about him.
― carpet_kaiser, Sunday, 1 October 2017 04:27 (six years ago) link
That is inaccurate btw
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 October 2017 04:41 (six years ago) link
France, the 70s, young man older woman, just making my way through it now.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1971/06/26/immortal-gatito?mbid=social_twitter
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 November 2017 17:27 (six years ago) link
^^ I've seen the film, but will def make time to read that tonight, thanks
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 23 November 2017 18:05 (six years ago) link
Just stepped on that by accident and this is something else (certainly by New Yorker standards). Mavis Gallant is looking at every action and utterance from about five different angles.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 23 November 2017 23:16 (six years ago) link
https://twitter.com/MenCatPerson
― Number None, Monday, 11 December 2017 12:31 (six years ago) link
is it supposed to be good or funny that someone is spending their time finding idiotic tweets by morons or perhaps bigots or actual deep misogynists and sharing them?
what do we learn from this?
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 December 2017 13:43 (six years ago) link
Someone saw these tweets, was maddened enough to start one as you can do it for free.
When idiocy and bogotry are read aloud its great because you don't actually need to argue anything, just read it back to the person doing it - that's the effect that account has.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 December 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
yeah no doubt the men who posted are following it and changing their ways
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 December 2017 14:00 (six years ago) link
i don't even think it has to be anything other than funny but many of them aren't even funny, just the stupid, badly expressed opinions of dullards.
i suppose some people doubt that these dullards exist or something, but again, i doubt they are following this.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 December 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link
i think this is seriously one of the most naive things i've ever read on ilx
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 December 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
They will never get to see it, but it might stop some ppl.
Ultimately its not meant to teach ppl anything, that was someone maddened by online. And who could blame them?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 December 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
xp - its not about changing hearts and minds btw. Its war!
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 December 2017 14:04 (six years ago) link
hearts and minds are not changed on twitter
― Simon H., Monday, 11 December 2017 14:05 (six years ago) link
One aspect of modern fandom is to publicize the worst examples of humanity who don't like what you are a fan of, in order to shame others out of criticizing it. (Cat Person was a competently written story and went viral due to its being relatable to people I am lucky enough not to be one of.)
― Three Word Username, Monday, 11 December 2017 14:06 (six years ago) link
sometimes it takes a long ass time to figure out why some tweet is posted in a particular thread
― President Keyes, Monday, 11 December 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
One aspect of modern fandom liberalism is to publicize the worst examples of humanity
fixed it for you
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 December 2017 14:30 (six years ago) link
ITT: men react to men reacting to Cat Person
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Monday, 11 December 2017 14:58 (six years ago) link
Those tweets should be added to the story.
― Yerac, Monday, 11 December 2017 15:07 (six years ago) link
someone on twitter had a very good thread yesterday reiterating that Cat Person is a SHORT STORY not a memoir or essay or thinkpiece, and should be assessed accordingly. relating to characters and their experiences is of course fine, but judging the merit of the story on the rightness or wrongness of the characters' actions is really really dumb. ftr I don't think the New Yorker really did itself or the author much of a favor by publishing an accompanying interview with her about it. not that the author should have to relinquish all authority but maybe let the work speak for itself for at least a little while first.
― evol j, Monday, 11 December 2017 15:13 (six years ago) link
re: that reaction twitter. It seems more like cathartic mockery of the idea that sjws are the only ones who get "triggered" to me. I don't think anyone expects it to change minds.
― rob, Monday, 11 December 2017 15:19 (six years ago) link
men react to men reacting to men reacting to cat person.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 11 December 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
http://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-08/4/14/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane01/sub-buzz-21442-1470337110-6.jpg
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 11 December 2017 15:57 (six years ago) link