By Hera! Come anticipate the WONDER WOMAN movie with me!

watching the trailers just made me want to go on a Xena binge.

also the world war one stuff makes me never want to see this. nothing more boring! if the sequel is wonder woman in space i will be first in line.

Took the kids to this yesterday, Ned otm -- some good stuff, Gadot is good, it's nice to have a legit woman-led superhero film, too long. You know the slowed-down action scenes are overdone when my 9-year-old comes out of the theater complaining about how they "always do that." Pretty entertaining overall, B-minus I guess.

lol 9yo otm

i'm going tonight, expect to be entertained enough, not expecting it to be Logan good but what is

I loved it. it's 80% a semi-realistic war film, for one thing; which not only makes it hearken back to golden age comics but also allows for the violence that is portrayed to have a more human dimension; contrast it with Guardians of the Galaxy which had that 'mowing everyone down with one arrow' scene that was played for laughs; there is nothing like that here. The dick joke is nothing that we haven't come to expect from a PG-13 movie by this point; this isn't Deadpool or something. Gal Godot is really good in the role. Obviously yes she is stunningly beautiful, but when she was originally cast I didn't know if she looked convincingly powerful; she is. Some have called this the best comic book movie ever; I'd still put Logan, the first Superman, the first Batman, and probalby the Dark Knight over this, but I liked it more than almost every Marvel movie, I think; so many of them are blurring together at this point.

(there wasn't a reference to the original theme song; the guitar/cello lick from the trailers I'd mistakenly though twas from the 70's TV series was written for Batman Vs. Superman which I still haven't bothered with and appeared there when she showed up, I guess. That recurs several times).

Complaining about Yondu's revenge on the mutineers in GotG and then repping Logan. Okay!

I wasn't complaining about it, I was just stating that it was gratuitous. it was. there is gratuitous violence in Logan too but Logan again has an added human dimension to it that balances that.

Semi-realistic war film kiiiiind of a stretch. It's a riff on an imaginative reduction of the war to a couple of trenches and a mysteriously mostly intact town. You have to suspend a lot of disbelief about a lot of things about the actual place/time, which, superhero movie, so very obviously so, but every few minutes was another stumbling block.

(My favorite moment in this regard: the refugee woman telling WW something like how they've enslaved the town for a year. You've been hanging out as a refugee in the trenches for a year?)

gal godot carries the movie just fine. of course she's kind of impossibly beautiful which helps a lot, but she conveys the strength, compassion, leadership, dignity, etc. - all the ideal traits of Wonder Woman - no one should take that for granted

i kinda wish that movie was less blue and grey for 2/3rds of it but that's cinematic lies of WWI/II that we can't shake culturally

Complaining about Yondu's revenge on the mutineers in GotG and then repping Logan. Okay!

Logan is literally about the price paid for leading a violent life. It's like "Unforgiven" or something, it's about violence, so of course it's violent. GotG is escapist pew pew fare that just happens to feature a winky sequence of violent onscreen mass murder set to some '70s pop song. All these comic book movies are innately violent, but the body count is typically off screen and amorphous. How many people die in Captain America? Iron Man? Who knows! I don't know if that's better or worse, but rarely is carnage played for laughs outside of Deadpool.

the trailers make WW look most similar to the first Captain America, with its pseudo-retro elements. Is this accurate?

Yes and no. It's the most obvious point of comparison (and would have been even more so if they'd stuck with the WWII origin story), but in terms of the actual 'look' as such, it's very much a DC/Snyderverse film in many ways. Oddly enough the film I kinda most compared it to in my head when it came to how it looked was Guy Ritchie's second Sherlock Holmes one.

If anything, the more I think about it, the flashback setup of the film manages a really neat trick in that it feels less heavily 'wow wasn't the past weird' as it is someone with memories in the moment turning them over again.

All these comic book movies are innately violent, but the body count is typically off screen and amorphous. How many people die in Captain America?

Civilian body count is the plot driver for Cap 3/Avengers 2.5.

the second Cappy has quite a few deaths too.

Highly recommend talking about marvel movies on the MCU thread, I could argue about body counts all day but this is ostensibly a place to discuss Wonder Woman, a film set during the Great War

fair enuff

the first 10 minutes of this movie was sparse-dialogued, dispassionate, tension-building, but largely mayhem-free war pieces that made me think "oh shiiit we're in for possibly the tonally weirdest wonder woman movie ever" but it turned out to be an unannounced preview for dunkirk.

This was a decently good movie, but by god was it ugly. The D.C. movie aesthetic is, as far as I can tell, muddled earth-tones, a few splashes of dirty primary color, and all the sunrises/sunsets you can cram in. So many clearly CG backgrounds, too. The composition is either Very Busy or Very Sparse, and there's no real depth of field. (London sequences being an exception).

yeah, I can agree with that.

I don't think marvel movies look that great either, outside of doctor strange

Oh my god what are you even talking about did you SEE the winter soldier

Overall I loved this. Pretty much everything I wanted from Wonder Woman ... my only complaints were:
- waaaay over-scored
-too much slow-mo

But WW herself was confident & commanding & caring & all of her fight scenes had me grinning like crazy. And Chris Pine was great - the two of them kept things from being boring

It's almost-but-not-quite up there with the first Cap America for me. Which I adore & love so in my world thats pretty high praise.

This is pretty cool
https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/culture/arts-entertainment/film-review-eugene-brave-rock-speaks-blackfoot-wonder-woman-dcs-best-film-ever/

can't wait to give steve mnuchin my money

she's on anthony quinn's level in terms of seeming almost really greek. even looking forward to the 'justice league' movie now (though it looks like they might have fucked up aquaman and made him a little too metal)

Crazy

https://io9.gizmodo.com/wonder-womans-most-fantastic-scene-nearly-didnt-get-mad-1795811939

But obv on good on Jenkins for making sure it happened.

RLM review made a good point that kids would be better served looking up to Jenkins as a role model than to Wonder Woman, fwiw. They liked the movie, and liked that for once the superhero got to be a superhero and get to save/help people, rather than fight a giant inter dimensional beam of light from space.

One observation they also made is that Gadot's acting serves this sort of naive take on the character well, but they don't think her chops will be good enough to work in the modern Justice League context.

This by Jill Lepore, who wrote Secret History Of Wonder Woman.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/origin-story-wonder-woman-180952710/

As Marston once put it, “Frankly, Wonder Woman is psychological propaganda for the new type of woman who, I believe, should rule the world.”

And, since “the comics’ worst offense was their blood-curdling masculinity,” Marston said, the best way to fend off critics would be to create a female superhero.

Christie Marston disputes a lot of the facts in the comments. But there's lots of interesting stuff about Marston and the women surrounding him. A Margaret Sanger connection. HG Peter's work at a feminist journal. Lauretta Bender's criticism of Disney films. Interesting details about Frederick Wertham. Marston's meticulous attention to fetishistic details.

Apparently Lepore's book includes something about Marston, his wives and his aunt at an orgy.

my theory of what will actually happen: Suicide Squad will outperform newly conservative expectations, causing Warner (and their lenders) to double down and commit to a release schedule. Wonder Woman will do fairly well, loads of thought pieces about culture shifts, "the first 250 / 500 million dollar superhero movie... led by a woman!" Marvel will finally commit to a Black Widow movie for 2020 when ScarJo is 36 and they need to cast her replacement. Flash will NOT do well. JLA will NOT do well. Aquaman will BOMB.
― ulysses, Thursday, April 7, 2016 2:17 AM

Banned in Lebanon. I guess all sorts of Hollywood films get banned there? Did it get banned anywhere else?

thanks for that article xps

No idea how many other movies get banned in Lebanon but considering Gadot is ex-IDF it's not surprising.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6133130/?ref_=nm_flmg_dr_1

Thought this might happen someday but not this quickly

Yeah, the cryptic trailer ran before WW itself, I admit I was a little bemused by it. Perfect place to run it, in retrospect.

had no idea til Sunday NYT profile that the Monster director did this. 13 years between features.

and they say it's hard to be a woman in hollywood!

We had the Justice League trailer beforehand and, Snyder-y as that will be, it didn't feel at all like a tonal shift afterwards. In fact, the whole 'God Killer' stuff felt more like a spoiler for fighting Darkseid than about the film itself.

So, I liked the Wonder Tot stuff. I thought the London sequence was pretty good (starting with shopping, ending with the guy eating the poison capsule). Ewen Bremner was 50% good, even if he was Spudding it up the first time we see him. I liked Said Taghmaoui, and could be won over by Danny Huston and Elena Anaya (even if she had a weird furrowed thing going on throughout).

But that was about it. Gal Gadot was dreadful, maybe never better displayed than when she was playing deaf against Chris Pine. That was as good as her acting got for me, and that was completely detached from the other actors in the scene. For all the talk of WWI, it didn't really feature much outside of the one scene where Diana goes over the top (talking of which, how did she get her cape back for the photo when she left it in the trench?) - the rest was generic everyplace, as kind of showed by the fact our heroes could pretty much move unimpeded as the plot allowed. So much t&o. So much Snyderaction. So much more t&o.

I thought Man of Steel was better than this, Bats v Supes was maybe as good and Suicide Squad was more entertaining. Give me Egg-Fu or give me death.

I think the No Man's Land scene is pretty obscene from a European perspective - this is a bloodless view of a war that ground Europe up into mincemeat for four years and all you have to do is get one person to run across the way and everyone else can follow them painlessly? It's "Captain America punching Hitler" levels.

That said, I liked the rest of the film, a little too much Chris Pine, but I liked that Ewan Bremner had no real arc - his thing is shooting, except he can't really shoot because the war has fucked him up, and.. that's it. There's no scene where he has to hit something from a mile away because it's really important and people believe in him or any of that shite. Also services to really terrible haircuts award.

There's a bit that I'm assuming that they haven't thought through, regarding the connection between the actual WWI armistice and WWII?

Shhh, you're giving it away.

My daughter (12) and her friend (13) loved it, but the latter thought it was basically just "Captain America" and the former agreed it was too long and there was too much slo-mo.

it's cool that war porn is woke when it stars a lady

trenchant

*somersaults into thread wielding a sword*

fuck all yall imo i saw it twice & as far as i'm concerned fucking great

:D

*somersaults into thread wielding a sword*

slo-mo or regular speed?

NOT RELEVANT

come to think of it, the sword seems like a more relevant fact

:D

it's cool that war porn is woke when it stars a lady

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, June 11, 2017

my third favorite thing about this flick tbh (after chris pine as "the girl" and robin wright as "cool aunt") is how well it fucks with los feliz daycare moms who don't want their kids playing with "violent" toys

It's "Captain America punching Hitler" levels.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 12 June 2017 00:24

I'd like a Superman film in which he stops 9/11, defeats all the terrorists (nobody gets hurt), dismantles scientology, minimises the damage done by all the major natural disasters, solves the global warming crisis and imprisons George Galloway in the Phantom Zone. At the end Superman turns to the camera and shouts "Would you like this? Would you? Would you like this?"