australia is tearing itself apart over same-sex marriage

ooh err shoppie missus

I did like a suggestion in the Twittersphere of what the leaked Trump call would have been like with Tone/Keating/any Prime Minister that had some sort of personality, even if it was 'eats onions with skin on and has weird Rhodes-esque thoughts.'

Is this heading for a referendum to legalise/enshrine or what's going on?

last year parliament blocked the plebiscite and kicked it out because it's fucking bollocks.

what's happened now is that a few government backbenchers have lost their shit and said let's just change the law and get this done. the bigots who run the govt have responded by shitting their pants in public, so on monday they're all having a party meeting to sort this out.

btw unlike ireland we can't have a referendum because marriage isn't defined in our constitution. it's all in a standard law that parliament can modify on its own. our (unnecessary) public vote's only being championed by bigots.

btw i hope i didn't come across condescending, the bigots have contrived such a complicated web of bullshit that it can be difficult to get to the truth

I read an article, maybe linked here about the shoppies being a catholic union and being a bunch of bastards more likely to side with employers than their members.

Not condescending at all in fact I'm now terrifically confused tbh

yeah joe de bruyn's a fuckhead xp

Not condescending at all in fact I'm now terrifically confused tbh

― jk rowling obituary thread (darraghmac), Saturday, 5 August 2017 11:39 (fifty-six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the bigots want that. currently a portion of the country's running around yelling things like "DEMOCRACY" and "LET ME HAVE MY SAY" because (a) they think the plebiscite is binding (it's not, it's a toothless opinion poll) and (b) they think farming equality out to a fucking vox pop is somehow how democracy works.

the truth is there's no need for a public vote on this. there's no precedent for it in australia's history. it's just all lies.

Would you anticipate a positive result from any such?

nah. our bigots are so insanely bigoted that they're genuinely destroying their own government just to stop it. the whole country is in shock atm.

one of the nutbags has started pushing for a postal vote, which... i just

i mean the law's not even a religious law, church and state are reasonably well separated here

our bigots are so insanely bigoted that they're genuinely destroying their own government just to stop it.

sorry, i should expand on this: a few in govt have already said they'll ignore a plebiscite result they don't like, and the prime minister gave them permission to do that. so if all their tactics, all their hate campaigning, all their vote rigging fails and equality wins, they'll vote against it in parliament anyway.

the way we'll get a positive result is by a change of government, most likely 2019. the opposition will straight-up do equality within a couple of months.

That was the article, how do the shoppies even get to be part of the labour movement?

australian labor's always been closer to unions. that works out well when the unions are doing objectively good things, not so much when joe de gay-panic abuses his position to bash his own members and hijack government policy.

me, I suspect that next blue sky sesh from the right of the liberal party is going to give us the grand idea of having a deciding all this with a poll on the australian's website (requires subscription to the australian)

thing is i wouldn't be at all surprised if they proposed that

btw dean smith was super impressive (for a Liberal) on insiders this morning

Didn't soil himself and then proposition the host before falling out of his chair? Can't be a real Liberal.

Come on mate it's a Sunday morning pic.twitter.com/cW9wZW52WY

— Michael Koziol (@michaelkoziol) August 6, 2017

~discourse~

actually i'm going to ask mods to delete that, really not helpful to propagate shit like that, i'm sorry

For guck's sake it just makes a homophobe look stupid, imo

Best response to that tweet is "why do you have 46002 unread emails?"

estela would you kindly take up the position of kevin rudd's official biographer

imagine having him seething and plotting in the background ever after, it would be so petty and unpleasant

kevin rudd: the seething years

the apple-cheeked avenger

this is going to end with another plebiscite isn't it

in come the bigots wit their propaganda

The splash you have when you don't have a splash. Dean Smith has been very open about how his views on marriage equality have changed. pic.twitter.com/AlUxPmVO4r

— Michael Koziol (@michaelkoziol) August 6, 2017

murdoch just has to piss all over this country

Only good thing about all this is how much Turnbull must be shitting himself this morning

i reckon he's already decided to capitulate to the bigots and is having a nice morning

on second thoughts he's probably preparing to fend off a leadership challenge

...which might have been what you meant in the first place

^^

all aboard the potato express

the homophobes are really not helping their cause

Craig Kelly says it'll be a "tricky backdoor method" if marriage equality passes without a plebiscite.

— Josh Taylor (@joshgnosis) August 7, 2017

the neighbours are probably wondering why i'm yelling "kill yourself" twice every 15 mins

If they're anything like the average Australian they probably just think you're talking to a refugee

bigots got their way because of course they did

matthias cormann went on lateline and emma alberici tore him a new arsehole. right out the gate she threw the consequences of his bigotry straight in his shit-eating face. on this fucking shitbag of a day this one savaging was a proper delight.

(for the record cormann is a fiercely gay-hating bigot)

He also has the strangest accent I've ever heard.

we should have a national public vote on whether he should shut the fuck up

the bureau of statistics will run the postal plebiscite. $122m.

maybe we can also have a plebiscite on whether to lock all these fuckheads in a single car boot

i can't hear Cormann talk and not picture Ranier Wolfcastle tbh /pvmic

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bz-lUc9CMAAc06x.jpg

I have shared that clip with an expert on the spectrum of phonemes in the english language and the verdict is that he does indeed sound objectively weird

belgium's australia's shame