in the sense that she's gone TOO FAR in her murderous romp? idk, that's more interesting than wholly righteous assassin.
Nah. In that the interesting thing about her character was the struggle between her desire for vengeance and her humanity. The assassin side has basically won, and there's really not enough time left for her to take a believable turn. I'm sure they'll put her in some kind of bullshit redemptive storyline now, but for me her arc could be seen as complete and she could be killed off now. She won't be, because of fan expectations.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:41 (six years ago) link
they did spend about what, two entire seasons having her "become no one"
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:44 (six years ago) link
not saying that makes it interesting, just that it does at least make sense in their story
he'd probably have been more interested if he heard the name Lyanna Stark, but he didn't and he still doesn't know that she's Jon's mother. The point of the scene was establishing Jon's claim to the throne, so I'm sure it'll come up again at an opportune moment
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:44 (six years ago) link
Dany will find out before Jon and have to decide whether to kill him, probably.
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:46 (six years ago) link
In a different mood Sam might have twigged that this was potentially massive re: the succession to the throne (and y'know the entire ongoing war) and followed up on it, but he wasn't even listening.
The show seems to be making a point that most of the characters we previously rooted for are being taken over by hubris now they actually have some power - Dany, Arya, Sansa to an extent. The Arya stuff seems to make sense but I think Littlefinger is one step ahead of her for now, although there's probably some kind of face switching coming up.
Have they really given any thought into how they're going to bring this White Walker back? Like it might have occurred to someone to at least bring something to restrain them with.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:48 (six years ago) link
maybe they fashioned some handcuffs out of the dragonglass they mined
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
i wondered that but assume they just didn't bother showing them packing ropes etc.
xpost - they stole plans from qyburn for what he calls "very big ropes"
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:54 (six years ago) link
presumably if they're stealing like some tiny child zombie (gotta be a good chance of it being a particularly sad/cute/horrific child) they won't need to do much to restrain it.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 12:56 (six years ago) link
should've at least brought a muzzle or something
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 13:04 (six years ago) link
the captured wight has to be someone they already know...or a member of the crew itself
― Number None, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 13:07 (six years ago) link
Jon vs zombie Hodor
― nashwan, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 13:31 (six years ago) link
i like the arya arc in the same way i like it on dragonball z when goku goes off and trains in an incredibly hard environment, gains enormous skills, and comes back to own everyone
― 龜, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 13:40 (six years ago) link
yeah i prob don't expect more than just videogame level entertainment from this show - arya killing loads of people has been cool tbh.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 13:54 (six years ago) link
No results found for "tumblr wight" site:ilxor.com.
c'mon guys we're slipping here, let's step it up
― for sale: clown shoes, never worn (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:01 (six years ago) link
Arya enjoys killing mostly reprehensible people but I don't think she's made particularly bad choices or become mean.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:02 (six years ago) link
― President Keyes, Tuesday, August 15, 2017 8:41 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think the show writers would be a little frustrated that this thread is insisting Arya became the mindless assassin the faceless men were TRYING to make her. Obviously the whole story was about how she couldn't become that... I mean how many lovable Ed Sheeran scenes do they need to shoehorn in this season to reiterate that point?
― Evan, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:21 (six years ago) link
Hopefully, no more than one
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:29 (six years ago) link
SPOILERs
the wight they kidnap will be played by ed sheeran
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:31 (six years ago) link
kidnap seems like the wrong word to use, but whatevs
the thing w arya giving in to her assassin side, for me, is that i don't think it's an unbelievable development? Given what traumas she's experience and how focused she has been for so long on revenge, it seems natural to me that she would be a remorseless killer. I've said this before but I'd watch a spin-off about Arya the contract killer.
xposts
― ian, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:34 (six years ago) link
I think it would be a lot less believable really if she went back to being a tough-but-lovable kid.
― ian, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:35 (six years ago) link
girl's been self-radicalized.
agree completely. the list of fucked up shit she's experienced is v v long.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 14:47 (six years ago) link
She's still lovable
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
Arya still my favourite character.
― wtev, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:38 (six years ago) link
Keeping my fingers crossed that Sansa gives Arya a good reason to give her a smackdown
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:45 (six years ago) link
Isn't that letter of Sansa's that Littlefinger led Arya to find this week a possible reason?
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:50 (six years ago) link
Anyone got a screencap of that, I couldn't read it
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:56 (six years ago) link
Robb, I write to you with a heavy heart. Our good king Robert is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt. Father has been charged with treason. He conspired with Robert’s brothers against my beloved Joffrey and tried to steal his throne. The Lannisters are treating me very well and provide me with every comfort. I beg you: come to King’s Landing, swear fealty to King Joffrey and prevent any strife between the great houses of Lannister and Stark.
https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/08/game-of-thrones-sansa-letter-arya-season-7-episode-5-eastwatch
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 15:59 (six years ago) link
I've been listening to SOIAF audiobooks at work and some of difference from the show make me lol:
Dany: "Why would I want Unsullied? Most of them are fat."
― President Keyes, Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:20 (six years ago) link
too many olives
― Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link
the captured wight has to be someone they already know...or a member of the crew itself― Number None, Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:07 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Number None, Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:07 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
pretty sure benjen stark's gonna make a comeback soon too
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
xps that letter might as well have said "P.S. I am writing this under duress"
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:31 (six years ago) link
I want to think Arya would see through it, or at least talk to Bran about it before confronting Sansa.
But I know what show I'm watching, and if it's taking up this precious story time towards the end, it has to be leading towards a sister-sister confrontation.
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:32 (six years ago) link
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7387254.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/MAINsister-sister.jpg
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 16:33 (six years ago) link
two words at the pitch meeting: ZOMBIE ROBB
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
As long as it's not ZOMBIE, ROB
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
only a dragula could defeat a dragon
― Gaspard de la Nuit: III. ScarJost (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 15 August 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
BTW as a complete aside, is it just me, or does littlefingers "chaos is a ladder" speech make no sense? I've been thinking about it for ages and as an allegory it seems really clumsy?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 05:32 (six years ago) link
it's not genius by any means but doesn't he just mean "while everyone is destroying each other you can manipulate things to your advantage"
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 09:34 (six years ago) link
it's a clumsier version of 'never let a crisis go to waste'
― ogmor, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 10:12 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxlIraEV8n4
It's basically about liberalism being a superior ideology to feudalism, innit?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 10:24 (six years ago) link
think you're giving him a bit too much credit there
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:16 (six years ago) link
Now I want the ending to be Littlefinger chosen as First Consul of the Westerosi, but with Lady Stoneheart (the ghost of the common people) lurking on the periphery.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:23 (six years ago) link
hate to break it to you, but Lady Stoneheart will never live like common people
― sansa riff (sarahell), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:33 (six years ago) link
hmm. The metaphor works for me--it seems like one of the main theses of the series: In a rigidly hierarchical class system, the only way for a crafty commoner to ascend to nobility, (or a lower noble to ascend to royalty) is to wait for the realm to fall into chaos and to take advantage of it/be seen as indispensable. (Or in Littlefinger's case create the chaos yourself.) The ladder works because while you can climb a ladder to a higher level, you may also fall off it and crack your head open, particularly if there are other people trying to climb the same ladder at the same time.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:44 (six years ago) link
Nothing more chaotic than a ladder. (I'm terrified of heights, so I probably do agree, actually)
― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:59 (six years ago) link
It's like in Hamilton: You’re an orphan. Of course! I’m an orphan! God, I wish there was a war! Then we could prove that we’re worth more than anyone bargained for…
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 13:12 (six years ago) link
Ep6 leaked. Tempted.
― wtev, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link