all they do is win a battle of the bands, it’d be easy enough to get around that to explain why they’re still failures without retconning anything
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:07 (six years ago) link
idk if a series where the main characters travel through time and then get killed and then get brought back to life really needs to retcon anything
first film is still totally classic, don't remember much about the second one other than it creeping out 10-year old me and featured some kind of E.T. like character
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:08 (six years ago) link
i had the comic book adaptation of bogus journey, drawings were creepy as fuck iirc, was especially distressed by the depiction of the easter bunny they meet in hell
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:09 (six years ago) link
Evan Dorkin, who did that adaptation, went on to do 11 issues of original Bill & Ted comics from Marvel (featuring the cast from Bogus Journey, as he had never seen the first movie).
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:12 (six years ago) link
this could be the one where they drunkenly have brosex
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:13 (six years ago) link
hope Logan Paul doesn't get cast as one of their kids
― frogbs, Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
this might be good if it actually is a depressing slowcore meditation on how being fat drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:17 (six years ago) link
Really didn't like Bogus Journey but in honor of Bill and Ted I have decided to anticipate that this will be excellent
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
i do like the first 2 movies and i was barely joking
i'm just so tired of seeing dead horses getting a good flogging
― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:19 (six years ago) link
also bg is correct that the best thing about the films is probably the protagonists relentlessly positive disposition
― hepatitis groan (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:20 (six years ago) link
but somehow i really doubt this will be "Jim Anchower: The Movie"
nah, it would suck. we are already lousy with fictional characters going to therapy or lampshading the self aware way they live their lives. asking to be depressed while watching a Bill & Ted movie is, like, entirely missing the point.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:21 (six years ago) link
really gonna miss george carlin in the third one whatever happens
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:24 (six years ago) link
bizarro - that's not the end of the film afaic
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:31 (six years ago) link
this is the alex winters/keanu movie that needs a sequel:http://www.cineoutsider.com/reviews/pix/f/fr/freaked1.jpg
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:33 (six years ago) link
i DID see all of that one.
― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:35 (six years ago) link
it's better than both Bill and Ted movies imo
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:40 (six years ago) link
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 10 May 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
Yup. That's essential to the way the film ends for me.
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 10 May 2018 20:42 (six years ago) link
What’s the story of Bill & Ted Face the Music?ED SOLOMON: Bill and Ted were told at 16 that they were going to be the greatest people who ever lived. That they were gonna write a song that is going to save the world, and it hasn’t happened. And now they are middle-aged men. They’ve got wives who used to be princesses in medieval England who are now working double shifts at Denny’s, they’ve got teenagers that are about to leave home, money is tight, and they’ve been chasing this dream, writing song after song, when somebody from the future shows up and says, “You have 24 hours. The fate of all of space/time depends on it – and if it doesn’t happen now, it’s never gonna happen.” Bill and Ted are confused because they know they had to have written it, because after all the people in the future told them they did.. so they just must not have written it yet. So in their desperation they decide their only option is to go into the future – to when the have written it – and to steal it from themselves. What follows is a kind of utterly absurd, Christmas Carol-like journey through their lives past, present, and future. Their daughters (Bill has a daughter named Thea, Ted’s daughter is named Billie) are also very involved in trying to help them.http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3/
ED SOLOMON: Bill and Ted were told at 16 that they were going to be the greatest people who ever lived. That they were gonna write a song that is going to save the world, and it hasn’t happened. And now they are middle-aged men. They’ve got wives who used to be princesses in medieval England who are now working double shifts at Denny’s, they’ve got teenagers that are about to leave home, money is tight, and they’ve been chasing this dream, writing song after song, when somebody from the future shows up and says, “You have 24 hours. The fate of all of space/time depends on it – and if it doesn’t happen now, it’s never gonna happen.” Bill and Ted are confused because they know they had to have written it, because after all the people in the future told them they did.. so they just must not have written it yet. So in their desperation they decide their only option is to go into the future – to when the have written it – and to steal it from themselves. What follows is a kind of utterly absurd, Christmas Carol-like journey through their lives past, present, and future. Their daughters (Bill has a daughter named Thea, Ted’s daughter is named Billie) are also very involved in trying to help them.
http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3/
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 May 2018 22:57 (six years ago) link
this is a nice launching off point. they have a run-in with this timeline:
https://i1.wp.com/methodsunsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/shorts-bill-ted-2.jpg
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 10 May 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
Freaked is so good. Rasta eyeball henchmen named Eye & I!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 10 May 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
Oh man freaked is the best movie ever made
bogus journey is really really really really crazy and really GOES FOR IT in a way few movies especially sequels would.
I'm so good with people doing the thing they got famous for in their youth when they are old. It's cool to see people old.
― kurt schwitterz, Thursday, 10 May 2018 23:23 (six years ago) link
I still stand by this:
Bill & Ted traveled time, conquered death, met aliens and God itself, and defeated their own ego — all with the simple commandments of Be Excellent To Yourself and Be Excellent To Each Other.No other organized religion has delivered as much. https://t.co/B8HKTJaWc8— Chris Barrus (@quartzcity) May 9, 2018
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 11 May 2018 01:46 (six years ago) link
yeah it is flat out insane. the first movie had them time travelling around hanging out with historical figures, so how do they top that? any other time travelling franchise would just relocate their adventures. instead they kill them in the first half hour and have them traverse life and death and the supernatural space in between. they possess their parents, they haunt a seance, they quote Poison lyrics to God, they beat Death at Twister and later have him join their band, etc. just non stop insanity
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 May 2018 15:19 (six years ago) link
For some reason this immediately made me think of when I saw the 50-year-old Jesus and Mary Chain play and indeed they were great
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 11 May 2018 15:55 (six years ago) link
one thing that’s kinda interesting to me about bill and ted is that i’d struggle to tell you much about what differentiates them from each other as characters but yet they don’t feel underwritten - they’re this kinda unique friendship gestalt where they’re so in sync that they’re essentially one character
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 11 May 2018 15:58 (six years ago) link
and that character’s name is WYLD STALLIONS*air guitar*
― Mahogany Loggins (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 11 May 2018 15:59 (six years ago) link
indeed a big part of the appeal is the two leads, their chemistry. it is a pair of best friends, a bromance for the ages. they talk about this in the Totally Non Bogus Disc interviews, how when they casted the first one they saw the actors in line at a fast food place and thought "These people should be Bill & Ted" because they just looked like two Cali best friends hanging out together. it is a very cute & wholesome relationship that avoids being twee even with Keanu tilting his moppey head like a puppy. this friendship is super important, it anchors the films while the most insane shit - time travel, life and death - is going on around them.
― Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 11 May 2018 16:30 (six years ago) link
i’d struggle to tell you much about what differentiates them from each other as characters
Well, Ted did take Bill's stepmom Missy to prom . . .
― Westworld more like Worstworld right? (Phil D.), Friday, 11 May 2018 16:44 (six years ago) link
Bill is the "smart" one, Ted is the gregarious one. I think.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 11 May 2018 16:52 (six years ago) link
Step Brothers had a pretty similar vibe. it didn't really register how strange that was until a while after
― frogbs, Friday, 11 May 2018 16:58 (six years ago) link
in theory a B&T III could be great. I'm just kind of jaded by all the terrible fan service reboots that are out there right now though and it's hard for me to believe this will possess any of the creative spirit that made Bogus Journey a genuinely good sequel.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 11 May 2018 17:02 (six years ago) link
Like I can already picture this:
Bad guy: Use the Slipknot on them.B&T: Excellent!Bad guy: Hang them.B&T Bogus!
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 11 May 2018 17:04 (six years ago) link
However if they have a So-crates-like encounter with Karl Marx that would redeem it for me
Freaked is great and I'm happy to hijack this thread in the service of reemphasizing that point.
Alex Winter talked about Bill & Ted 3 in his Film Threat interview about Freaked (ca. 1992). It involved one of them being shrunk and deposited into the brain of the other in order to make him less of a dumbfuck. Or fuck-up. Can't remember the exact quote.
― Delightful in Microdoses (Old Lunch), Friday, 11 May 2018 17:13 (six years ago) link
I'm just kind of jaded by all the terrible fan service reboots that are out there right now though and it's hard for me to believe this will possess any of the creative spirit that made Bogus Journey a genuinely good sequel.
― chilis=lyrics...hypocrits (sic), Friday, 11 May 2018 19:58 (six years ago) link
Like I can already picture this:Bad guy: Use the Slipknot on them.B&T: Excellent!Bad guy: Hang them.B&T Bogus!
I'm guessing this is your example of a lazy sequel joke, but I actually did chuckle at it
― Vinnie, Saturday, 12 May 2018 10:06 (six years ago) link
I was watching the Red Letter Media take on the first two, and right at the start one of the guys brings up a good point. The first one came out in 1989, and it's an iconically '80s movie. The second one comes out just two years later, '91, yet it already feels totally '90s. Really underscores that cultural shift.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 August 2020 00:53 (three years ago) link
First one was written in 1984-85 and shot in 1987 iirc? Second one was probably written and shot all in 1990 - even the Evan Dorkin sequel comic series started in 1991.
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 27 August 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link
if the sequel had come out nowadays, it woulda had its original title
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 August 2020 05:07 (three years ago) link
re-watching the original with a couple 90s babies who haven't seen it, and they are absolutely loving it. pure joy for us all
― davey, Thursday, 27 August 2020 06:07 (three years ago) link
lol, I knew sic would correct me that it was shot a couple of years before release. Point still stands!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 August 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link
Unrelated - and I say this as someone who spent time in the valley as a kid - was there a male equivalent of a valley girl? A valley guy? Because these guys talk like surfers/stoners/skaters but aren't any of those things. If anything they're ... metalheads? But don't really act like that, either. It's one of the movie's many charms.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 August 2020 13:06 (three years ago) link
not correcting, just reasoning why!
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Thursday, 27 August 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
Uh, Marina Men?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXDRHOvfFZk
― everything, Thursday, 27 August 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
Because these guys talk like surfers/stoners/skaters but aren't any of those things. If anything they're ... metalheads?
I grew up in the 80s 3000 miles from the Pacific and being a "surfer dude" was definitely a way of life that did not involve actual surfing
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 27 August 2020 20:34 (three years ago) link
Yeah, me too! There were surfer dudes at my school in suburban Philly. Though they also went surfing on the shore, as I recall. Still, would surfer dudes also be metalheads but not stoners? Hmm ...
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 27 August 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link
it's definitely cool to see an on screen adaptation of those types where they're actually likeable, idk if I can think of another example quite like it
― frogbs, Thursday, 27 August 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
spicoli ?
― budo jeru, Thursday, 27 August 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link