a lot of budding screenwriters out there!
i do think there's an inherent danger in letting showrunners co-direct the final episode. it's hard enough to tell D&D that something is dumb, probably even harder when they're the co-directors. the whole auteur thing seems to work best when the auteur is really good
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
Well yeah, but for better or worse, the writers tried to tell a story of how the thirst for power can lead even the most well-meaning people to commit atrocious acts. And clearly the idea was to make Dany into a viewpoint character, someone whose journey and hardships and victories the viewers could identify, so that her eventual decline into despotism would hit them hard and emphasise their chosen theme. It's arguable whether they succeeded in doing what they set to do, but it certainly wouldn't have worked at all if Dany wasn't one of the main characters.(xxxxpost)
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
I've often thought Dany could have disappeared from s1 until Tyrion goes to find her and you'd lose nothingI too also think this show should have had fewer female lead characters with any agency.
― gyac, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
hahahah!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
enh, repeating the same savior arc for four seasons is a boring use of agency
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
can bran see the future, or just the past
― nathom, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
Actor Isaac Hempstead-Wright, who plays Bran in the show, admitted that the scope of his character's premonitions are limited. "As I understand it, Bran can’t exactly see the future. I think he can have inklings," he told the New York Times in an interview about Season 8. For example, when he gave Arya the Valyrian steel catspaw dagger last season, he knew she'd use it for something important, but not that she'd specifically kill the Night King with it, the actor explained.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah it's like when Young Ned could almost hear Bran. Maybe future Bran yells at past Bran knowing he'll get just enough of the gist.In conclusion my spinoff idea is called The Lawnmower Bran
― nashwan, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
I too also think this show should have had fewer female lead characters with any agency.
Not buying this. Cersei, Arya, Sansa, and Brienne were the best characters. You want to turn any number of male characters into female roles, I’m fine with that. Eliminating the white savior character with a single facial expression is no loss.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
Why no love for Diana Rigg?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link
best main charactersrigg was top 3 multi-season tertiaries tho
― nashwan, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
Zizek weighs in, because why not
The finale combines the rejection of a radical change with an old anti-feminist motif at work in Wagner. For Wagner, there is nothing more disgusting than a woman who intervenes in political life, driven by the desire for power. In contrast to male ambition, a woman wants power in order to promote her own narrow family interests or, even worse, her personal caprice, incapable as she is of perceiving the universal dimension of state politics. The same femininity which, within the close circle of family life, is the power of protective love, turns into obscene frenzy when displayed at the level of public and state affairs. Recall the lowest point in the dialogue of Game of Thrones when Daenerys tells Jon that if he cannot love her as a queen then fear should reign – the embarrassing, vulgar motif of a sexually unsatisfied woman who explodes into destructive fury.But – let’s bite our sour apple now – what about Daenerys’ murderous outbursts? Can the ruthless killing of the thousands of ordinary people in King’s Landing really be justified as a necessary step to universal freedom? At this point, we should remember that the scenario was written by two men.Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
But – let’s bite our sour apple now – what about Daenerys’ murderous outbursts? Can the ruthless killing of the thousands of ordinary people in King’s Landing really be justified as a necessary step to universal freedom? At this point, we should remember that the scenario was written by two men.
Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/game-thrones-season-8-finale-bran-daenerys-cersei-jon-snow-zizek-revolution-a8923371.html
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
Like to give a shout out to Oleanna Tyrel aka the Queen of Thorns for being the most hilarious shit talker in the 7 kingdoms
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
i don't know zizek, have you considered the pic forks posted above
http://i.imgur.com/z7iHD54.png
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
haha
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
yeah, I imagine there are/will be more academic papers on GoT than there were on Buffy.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:34 (five years ago) link
She didn't sit on the throne because it was a replica made of wax.
Surely someone has truthered the physics of whether dragon fire can melt iron.
I am still annoyed about Khal being able to melt gold jewelry using an ordinary campfire.
― mitt the hoopla (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:40 (five years ago) link
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, May 21, 2019
never been more glad I got out of the game when i did
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link
xpost Maybe it was a magical campfire, have you considered that?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
Uhm I adore Zizek but to say her outbursts were not justified? I don't agree. (She was prone to outbursts. It was Tyrion who held her in check imo.)
― nathom, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:34 (five years ago) link
10% lolz ratio minimum in the replies
just here for the memes— Maisie Williams (@Maisie_Williams) May 20, 2019
― nashwan, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:40 (five years ago) link
Ha, maybe this is why Drogon torched the throne.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D7BsCbwU8AAo9nd.jpg
― nickn, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:01 (five years ago) link
The only winning move etc.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:07 (five years ago) link
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:33 (five years ago) link
i like when cersei says "ser gregor stay by my side" but it sounds like she calls him "ser wiggles" which is totally what i wd call him
― mark s, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:36 (five years ago) link
did Ser Pounce survive the Daenerys genocide?
― omar little, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 23:39 (five years ago) link
Ser Wiggles sounds like someone from Parliament’s “Gamin’ On Ya Thrones” LP
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 00:43 (five years ago) link
Pretty good call:
🤷🏼♀️ https://t.co/Sbmeedgkhp— Gwendoline Christie (@lovegwendoline) May 22, 2019
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 00:52 (five years ago) link
Say what you will about the #GameOfThronesFinale, the John Hughes homage was a bold choice to end on. pic.twitter.com/kKJrJyV9d7— Dan Olson (@FoldableHuman) May 20, 2019
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 01:07 (five years ago) link
As long as Drogon got to burninate the thatched-roof cottages, I'm happy.
― jmm, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 01:24 (five years ago) link
Žižek is the worst. Always.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 07:42 (five years ago) link
but also zizek is a clown. iirc he didn’t start out that way but act a fool for long enough and something something your face will stick that way
― nathom, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 08:45 (five years ago) link
I liked this show, liked the finale, would rewatch
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 12:13 (five years ago) link
more ser wiggles fun:
when wiggles at last removes his helmet his little brother heaves a vast "fuck me" sigh and is clearly thinking and very nearly saying "this bad stars-wars fan service is bad and you should feel bad"
― mark s, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 12:34 (five years ago) link
https://chaser.com.au/general-news/jk_rowling_announces_jon_snow_is_gay
― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:18 (five years ago) link
I'm a little stunned they never killed off Bran. He was the worst part of the books and show and I kept waiting for him to die.
― Yerac, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
bran is the leto ii of this story
here he is saying "just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in"https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/dune/images/8/86/Sandra-yagi-god-emperor-of-dune.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190309191118
― mark s, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:45 (five years ago) link
I would have preferred for the Night King to kill Bran before being stabbed by Arya, forcing humanity to find a way forward without magic seer memory bookdudes
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:46 (five years ago) link
well that's my halloween costume sorted for this year xp
― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:51 (five years ago) link
Graphic depictions of Leto II are never short of amazing
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
omg
https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/95057/1020114/f/9864325-Leto-II-0.jpg
― jmm, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link
Made for the 2017 Venice Beach Siyanoq Festival iirc
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:08 (five years ago) link
lonely worm just thinking baout things
― mark s, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:57 (five years ago) link
looks like a big sneeze comin
― Evan, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:16 (five years ago) link
Inhaled too much spice.
― jmm, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:20 (five years ago) link
This is the proper turn for this thread
― the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:35 (five years ago) link
the sandworm has turned
― Number None, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 18:52 (five years ago) link
*sand snake (duh)
― Evan, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:33 (five years ago) link
Hello. Not really been following the thread as not been on ILX that much lately. But this is what I thought of the last episode:
It was okay. Good bits and bad bits.
Funniest bit: Arya decides she's going to do a gap yah.
Most shocking bit: Brienne not waiting for the ink to dry before closing the book
Weird postmodern moment: People chuckling about democracy
Lousy: everything to do with Jon Snow and I mean every second of time he spent on screen
Also lousy: Lots of long expository monologues on behalf of Tyrion, who even as a prisoner seems to get away with giving everyone terrible advice
Lol: Bran the Boring is king? What the hell. And also Sansa manages to jammily wangle a runner-up prize without any sort of challenge
Corny: 'Oh no Dany really isn't a nice person after all, she has scary dragon wings and her army are all dark and scary and crazy and the music is ominous DO YOU SEE?'
Again, what the hell: How did they come up with that Council at the end? A motley crew of supporting cast and people from across Westeros who didn't really get along before manage to grab the Megabus to King's Landing just so they can decide what to do with Tyrion... How did he not just get murdered by Worm Tongue in the meantime?
But I still maintain this wasn't the worst series. It was flawed, logically. It was a hot mess in many many ways. But it was still entertaining and it constantly kept me guessing. I was excited for each episode whereas a few series back, I was ready to stop watching because it felt like they were just stalling for time by making characters do the same things over and over again each episode.,
― frame casual (dog latin), Thursday, 23 May 2019 00:43 (five years ago) link
And also Sansa manages to jammily wangle a runner-up prize without any sort of challenge
― Tuomas, Thursday, 23 May 2019 05:48 (five years ago) link