avant-garde anachronism in old paintings

tl;dr my argument = "whiggism for futurists"

whatever happened in older historical periods of painting/sculpture are not really an "anachronism" are they? like african art influences on cubism, turner's influence on impressionism to make 2 simple examples.

i mean that sculptor who did screaming heads and that 18th C portraitist who painted self portraits of himself pulling silly faces are both unusual for their day and can both seem "modern" in unexpected ways BUT the notion that there's an iron line of progress that all can recognise at a particular and some can knowingly jump ahead of is a bad notion promulgated a bit too much by art history 101 and thus unsatisfactory captions in museums and galleries

(a particular = a particular date)

plax absolutely covered this at the time

but as a thread for looking at diverse pictures speaking to each other why not

In the Turneresque "stuff that verged on abstraction before abstraction per se was rilly cool" category I like to include Thomas Wilmer Dewing

https://uploads6.wikiart.org/00114/images/thomas-dewing/the-lute-1904-1.jpg!Large.jpg

https://www.wikiart.org/en/rembrandt/the-apostle-bartholomew-1661

If you saw this in the gallery without any info, what era would you have said it was from? Me - 1914

https://www.wikiart.org/en/rembrandt/the-apostle-bartholomew-1661

plax otm throughout thread yes

in nakh's defence you maybe probably actually do need the nudge of "anachronism" to dig out what you consider "weird" in um "pre-modern" art = "things i totally didn't expect to see"?

except then you have to be all the more alert for it not to turn into "chariots of the gods"-type misconception = "if you didn't expect this maybe the ignorant fool is you von so-called daniken"

(no shade intended koogs the stone age robot is excellent)

lol @ me recapping the entire thread's beef with inadvertent precision, yes i HAVE been on ilx too long

Isn't cultural history in all areas generally the most whiggish of all historical narratives? As practiced I mean, not from necessity.

plax otm yeah, although unmoored weirdness for its own autotelic sake is a distinctly modern flex as far as I can tell. Sorry if the point has already been made, I haven't read the whole thread.

‘Judith Slaying Holofernes’ by Artemisia Gentileschi, 1610.https://t.co/RuaoBc6DNR

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— Cora Harrington (@lingerie_addict) September 24, 2019

Nice recreation! Brings to mind a few years ago a load of us including emil.y recreating Las Meninas in a Barcelona apartment.

https://www.wga.hu/art/a/arcimbol/4composi/1vertum.jpg

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jadensadventures/images/a/a4/Vegetable_Gremlin.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160824073044

Sorry, couldn't resist. Carry on...

Rudolf Nikolaevich Baranov — From the height of the port crane (1974) pic.twitter.com/hPqfF6cnHo

— Olga Tuleninova 🦋 (@olgatuleninova) June 10, 2024

looks like vermeer vs millennium falcon. is neither of those things.

when in Minnesota, make sure to visit the Museum of Russian Art, which has a large collection of Socialist Realism. https://tmora.org/

pretty sure we've had this before, but i'm not turning on pictures or going through 300 broken links to find it

Portrait of a Girl and her Dog, pen and ink drawing by Jean Jacques Lequeu, ca. 1796.

Available as a print in our online shop: https://t.co/hyDj1faFg5#InternationalDogDay pic.twitter.com/mIxzXfQVUc

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