We all want Real Madrid to win

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They were sublime b/c Man U abandoned any notion of defence,(weird thing to do in CL semi but it happened) while Juve have the best, or among the best defence in Europe if they have there starters and everyone's healthy. Really there teamwork is better than Madrid, who seemed like they were relying on their rep. Madrid's formation was suicidal and perhaps dumb but I actually think Juve's a better team.

Next year Fido and ZZ are 32 and chubby Ronnie is not cut out for the daily grind. Hell show up in big games but won't carry the team week in week out. Juve are awesome all around.

And Fucking play Rivaldo Morons!

Nicolette, Thursday, 15 May 2003 06:44 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, Davids was absolutely incredible last night - ditto Nedved and Thuram and for that matter Zambrotta. Made Real look ordinary for the most part.

Also, you could tell Figo was about to miss that penalty from the way he bottled it seconds before kicking.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

How exciting was that last five minutes, though?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

for some reason it always seems more impressive when a team knocks out two clubs from the same country in consecutive games, in this case both Barcelona and Real were knocked out by the same club, as Bayer Leverkusen did last season with Liverpool and Man Utd

stevem (blueski), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

My prediction up thread was pretty spot on huh. Uhm... anyway, whathtefuck? Madrid were poor while Juve seemed to have peaked at exactly the right time (same old story there). I dunno, Real just didn't seem up for it at all - all the big names seemed pretty unconcerned I thought.

Alex K (Alex K), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

very exciting stuff last night. I didn't want real to win as their defending (as was shown last night) is really poor. my italian team is AC milan. my brother has always supported juventus.

felt sorry for nedved (sp?).

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Anyone see the ITV2 footage at Bar Italia in Soho? Aaah, happy FAP memories (or lack of them).

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 May 2003 07:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Have I gone totally insane, or was the ITV coverage heavily floppy-former Liverpool player currently working as a third-string player for Real biased? (I mean, that was never a booking for Nedved now, was it?)

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Christ John Toshack was on Irish TV, he sounded like he'd eaten 50 bags of weed before the game. It was bizarre.

How many times have you seen a player try and dummy a penalty and fuck it up?


The final Juve goal was sublime. Some great football by Juve throughout actually, obviously the end of the first half in particular. My Del Piero jibes certainly came back to haunt me. I did think it was a foul by Nedved though.

Ronan (Ronan), Thursday, 15 May 2003 09:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

you don't see cuper and lippi collapsing with heart failure do you? maybe smoking would calm premiership managers down...

Chip Morningstar (bob), Thursday, 15 May 2003 11:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

Juve's piss-poor showing against U***** put into some sort of perspective.

The thing is, Juve weren't piss-poor against United. They didn't play well at home, but at Old Trafford they were pretty impressive. Considering they had half a team out injured they were unlucky to lose (even if United were still better over the two 'legs').

Weirdly enough Juventus actually impressed me more losing to United than Madrid did beating us. You could see the real quality there in the squad, and the solidity. Whereas Madrid, stunning going forward, always looked beatable as I said further up-thread (even if Utd never looked like doing it over the 2 legs).

Which is why the morning after Madrid beat Utd 3-1, and before Juve's first quarter final, I got 8-1 on Juve to win the trophy. OK, Milan still to go, but one of my better recent gambling judgements. (We'll forget about the each-way bet on Ajax placed at the same time.)

James Ball (James Ball), Thursday, 15 May 2003 14:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

Is anyone else amused that Juve could be described (and not insanely) as 'underdogs' in any match? One of the traditional megagiant clubs, and they have just won the Scudetto for the umpteenth time.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 16 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Camacho set to quit Real
Real Madrid coach Jose Antonio Camacho has tendered his resignation after the club's poor start to the season.
Spanish state radio said Camacho had told Real chairman Florentino Perez he was quitting and would resist pressure to reconsider.

Perez said no decision on the coach's future would be taken until an emergency meeting on Monday.

"Everything will be decided at Monday's meeting at the Bernabeu," Perez told the Efe news agency.

Real lost 1-0 at Espanyol on Saturday as their indifferent form continued.

That defeat came hot on the heels of Wednesday's Champions League 3-0 drubbing at Bayer Leverkusen which drew fierce criticism in Spain.


The 49-year-old Camacho has only been in the post since taking over from Carlos Queiroz in May.

He was fired after the nine-times European champions could only reach the last eight of the Champions League last season and finished fourth in La Liga.

Camacho was a stalwart with Real as a player, making more than 400 appearances between 1973-89 and winning nine Spanish league titles, three Spanish Cups and two Uefa Cups.

He won 81 caps for Spain and played in the 1982 and 1986 World Cups.

He is currently in his second stint as coach at Real, where he lasted just three weeks in the summer of 1998 before resigning over a disagreement with former chairman Lorenzo Sanz.

Camacho then went on to coach the Spanish national side for four years, after which he returned to the Bernabeu via a short stint with Portugal's Benfica.


Story from BBC SPORT:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/sport2/hi/football/europe/3671372.stm

Published: 2004/09/19 22:13:33 GMT

© BBC MMIV

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 09:15 (nineteen years ago) link

have Real Madrid had more coaches in the last ten years than Man City and Crystal Palace combined?

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Sven 4 Real

Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:37 (nineteen years ago) link

R5 just reported that he's gone.

Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 September 2004 10:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Mariano Garcia Remon is the new Real coach, Alba don't scare me like that.

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah - sorry. I meant R5 had reporeted Camacho resigning, not Sven replacing him.

Mariano Garcia Remon is only caretaker though, so watch out...

Alba (Alba), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Please let Sven go. I want his tedious brand of crappy football out of Britain, and the even more tedious press attention. God he bores me.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:44 (nineteen years ago) link

don't hate the playa, hate the players

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 11:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Roberto Carlos' encroachment when the Espanyol guy was taking the penalty was fantastic. When the guy struck the ball, RC was standing right next to him.

Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 20 September 2004 12:55 (nineteen years ago) link

is that allowed?

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:00 (nineteen years ago) link

no (penalty was missed, retaken because of Roberto Carlos, missed again)

Joe Kay (feethurt), Monday, 20 September 2004 13:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Martin O'Neill for Real Madrid?

Well, I'd be worried if I was a Celtic supporter.

(I'm pulling your leg.)

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, I'd just like to point out that I TOLD YOU SO! (more or less.)

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:18 (nineteen years ago) link

Another good article from Sid Lowe on this.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Del Bosque with Mikey G as his assistant. The dream ticket.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Mikey G to Blackburn!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Mikey G to manage Wales? I could kick Robbie Sacage in training. In the nuts.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Ooops. Savage.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

I reckon Del Bosque could come back. The players liked him, his hair was wiry and he's in Turkey which is a rough area.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Toshack?

Ha ha.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

ha ha, if you want 'rough area' try a little further south. i always thought Del Bosque's departure was among the more farcical/absurd.

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:40 (nineteen years ago) link

Hah. That'll learn Perez to meddle. I hope he gets booted out. Unlikely though, as he won in the summer.

In future years, maybe people will say how fucking mad it was to hype a team to the nth degree who actually weren't much good. They're the boy-band of European Football.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

nobody is good

teh pow! (blueski), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:13 (nineteen years ago) link

Barcelona are. That'll learn em to be Francoist bastards.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 20 September 2004 16:19 (nineteen years ago) link

There are people, mostly Real Madrid fans, who claim that Franco was a Real Madridist bastard rather than the other way round, but I prefer to go on linking them with fascism in my mind.

It is good that they are still bad even after signing defenders.

Officially, Atletico Madrid was the Air Force team.

Bobby Robson!!!

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 20 September 2004 18:21 (nineteen years ago) link

We all want to know if Real Madrid are losing:

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/envivos/2004/09/1830_index_rfsh.html

At the time of writing, they are.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 17:37 (nineteen years ago) link

They lost, 2-1.

The Bilbao Massive will be chuffed.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link

eleven months pass...
Jonathon Woodgate. In his debut. More than a year after signing for Real Madrid. Scores an own goal with a diving header. Then gets sent off. You could not make it up. Fantastic.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:51 (eighteen years ago) link

I didn't like him, so good

RJG (RJG), Thursday, 22 September 2005 20:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I bet they're all kicking him in the shins!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link

heheheh

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:03 (eighteen years ago) link

haha, I sort of imagined him scoring an own goal, but this is even better! What was the result?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link

They were 3-1 up last I heard.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:09 (eighteen years ago) link

3-1 to madrid. robinho, and two from raul, 2 of them from beckham set-pieces. guti was outstanding. woodgate, less so. he was mis-timing tackles all over the place, his second booking came about because he was a yard of the pace and lacking sharpness, so he just obstructed the bilbao striker as he was outstripping him. am i the only one who feels a smidgeon sorry for him?

weasel diesel (K1l14n), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:12 (eighteen years ago) link

I do not feel sorry for him, he's a nasty piece of work and he goes out with Kate Lawler.

However, I just saw the own goal on the telly and it was utterly phenomenal. What on earth did he think he was doing?

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 22 September 2005 21:26 (eighteen years ago) link

aw kate lawler the brawler, that's why he's so violent.

i think woodgate is trying to earn a place as a striker. they like those in madrid

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 22 September 2005 22:06 (eighteen years ago) link

Ha ha, England's great white hope, the man who would deliver them from the nightmare that is Rio! You'd need to have a heart of stone not to find this funny!

Raymond Douglas Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:04 (eighteen years ago) link

wrong thread?

ken c (ken c), Friday, 23 September 2005 09:09 (eighteen years ago) link


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