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I imagine you guys would all pay a lot more attention if you were property owners and/or business owners.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

(me too)

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Has anyone read up on the TIF zones at all? I think I would yell about that a bit if an alderdrone came by my house.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm sure you could come up with a couple of things to say about the CTA

I have no complaints about the CTA.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

What sort of "needs" could I have that the city could fulfill?

the things the aldermen are supposed to take care of; filling potholes, replacing street lights, putting up stop signs at dangerous intersections, taking care of graffiti, affecting police patrols. those are the first things that come to mind.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan OTM about being a property/business owner.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:04 (seventeen years ago) link

Kevin -- like I said earlier, if my car hits a pothole once in a while, that's not enough to get all up and arms and demand someone do something about it. We live in an urban area = there are potholes. No big deal. And like I care if there's graffiti. These don't seem like serious problems! Again, gangs = totally. But I haven't seen any gangs in Ravenswood.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:06 (seventeen years ago) link

clearing the flippin snow off the sidewalks

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to live in John's world with no CTA hassles or civic complaints.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Sidewalk clearing is (at least in part) the civic responsibility of the people who live on the sidewalk, IMHO.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone should read Off the Books. It talks about how alderman, police, and pastors deal with a lot of these ward specific issues, specifically. Also how that jives with the city government.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

My No.1 complaint about my hood would be too many new condos, but I doubt my alderman would be willing to do anything about that, considering all the $$$ they bring in.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan in advocating homeless people being in charge of sidewalk sanitation shocka!

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

, specifically gang activity.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:11 (seventeen years ago) link

why would I have a complaint for an elected official?

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

I didn't say shovel the alleys!

(going to hell)

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan, I can see that logic, in which case I would like my alderperson to hold those people accountable by giving them tickets or something, especially since it's largely storefronts lining the sidewalks five blocks in either direction from my house, so it's not like a resident has to get up early to clear the sidewalk for me on his own time.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link

How about when the alderman signs off on huge condo developments that just so happen to be financed by their largest campaign donor? Or when your tax money gets collected, sent to a different ward, and used to finance business development instead of your local school?

I don't know about any of that. Where do you hear about it?

One reason I was hesitant about doing the Cappleman fundraiser is that I know that he's pro-development and Schiller isn't. I found that out from my bandmate Megan, who's met Schiller through some of the social services she's worked at.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Dan hates the homeless.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

Where do you hear about it?

Watch local news. Read newspapers.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I am not being sarcastic - that's actually where you find out about that stuff. It's not hidden.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I know. The 2008 presidential race is so much more interesting, though.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I totally agree that businesses who don't shovel the sidewalks should be hung out to dry, especially the bars/cafes that put their stupid tables all over the place in the summer! But in residential areas, yeah, a little leeway is necessary. But it still amazes me that people will shovel only the 6 squares of pavement directly in front of their house, and neglect the end of the block where there might not be a house or something. I blame this all on my upbringing: shoveling was just something you did, because if you didn't things got fucked up pretty quickly.

John, I read about that stuff in the Reader, Trib online, etc.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

I think we all know what the real problem is here: governtainment.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago) link

Daily Show references killed thread dead

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh I totally agree that businesses who don't shovel the sidewalks should be hung out to dry

Really? It's just snow.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

ppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeoooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

It's just snow until it sits there for a week in subfreezing temperatures and turns into filthy treacherous ice that is really dangerous to walk on.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

And people let their dogs shit in it and then when the snow finally melts there's ancient semifrozen dog shit everywhere.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:34 (seventeen years ago) link

This guy that sits across from me who I have to look at all day does this thing where (I think) he bites his hand just below his thumb hard enough that his head vibrates. He does this several times daily.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:35 (seventeen years ago) link

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Ha ha, nuilx lets you post a blank message.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow. John's being EXTRA jaymc today. Reading over this thread was almost more than I could handle.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Or gets churned into wet sloppy slush that sucks to walk through.

The point is that it takes scant MINUTES to clear it away and save a lot of other people a lot of hassle.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

How does that killfile work again?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:37 (seventeen years ago) link

snow on sidewalks makes it really easy for those in wheelchairs to get around or people who use walkers/canes/etc. that's one good thing about living across from a hospital, they are so afraid of someone falling on their sidewalks that they are clear almost before the snow can accumulate.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Sorry. That was kind of nasty. I'm a little hung over and crabby today.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:39 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a good point about the elderly/disabled.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I guess the thing is, I just don't expect government to do anything for me. There are definitely people it should do stuff for, but I don't consider myself one of them.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

kevin makes points. jenny gets exasperated and argues. jaymc doesn't get things. kenan opines. sarah tells work stories. jeff comes along occasionally and naysays. nick swings by and says something incisive/insightful and puts things in perspective.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:43 (seventeen years ago) link

What? I do?

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link

I think you do.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Huh.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm having some blackberries right now and I think I love them more than the baby Jesus.

Hey! I don't only tell work stories! I also talk about what I'm eating.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Blackberries are the shit!

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:48 (seventeen years ago) link

blackberries are indeed the shit. lingonberries too.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

I love blackberries, boysenberries, currants, gooseberries, strawberries, and raspberries.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:49 (seventeen years ago) link

AND LINGONBERRIES. I'M SORRY LINGONBERRIES, I DIDN'T MEAN TO FORGET YOU.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:50 (seventeen years ago) link

I hate blackberries

http://www.telusmobility.com/images/pcs/blackberry_7250_handset_lg.gif

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:51 (seventeen years ago) link

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