I saw tweets last night scolding media outlets for the usual headlines that use passive voice or otherwise minimize human agency in a shooting death ("did the gun fire itself???"). At the time, I thought it was actually one of the few times when the person firing the gun mattered less than the people who failed to prevent the accident from happening. But yeah, seeing now that Baldwin seems to have been closely involved as a producer, he seems more responsible than most.
― jaymc, Friday, 22 October 2021 22:36 (two years ago) link
That's gross, though I'd argue he kind of is the main character?
I mean gtfo with the hand-wringing over his "feels" when someone is dead, but as the guy who not only pulled the trigger but was also the one responsible for the failed safety measures and requirements on set, he is pretty much the central character here - though decidedly not in the manner his PR team and those folks are trying to spin it. Sometimes the main character is the villain.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, October 22, 2021 6:22 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
otm
― Van Horn Street, Friday, 22 October 2021 22:37 (two years ago) link
sure, the narrative is going to default to be about him but he isn't being treated as the villain is my point - he is garnering more sympathy than the actual woman who died
aaand just came across thishttps://i.postimg.cc/nr3fXkKY/image.png
― ✖, Friday, 22 October 2021 22:50 (two years ago) link
Who are ye all posting about then
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 22 October 2021 23:20 (two years ago) link
a 16 yo thread about alec baldwin tbf
― ✖, Friday, 22 October 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link
Tru, tru
― fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Friday, 22 October 2021 23:23 (two years ago) link
just talking about how low budget Bruce Willis movies are good now because they only have the budget for 3d printer shells of sawn-off Winchesters.
― calzino, Friday, 22 October 2021 23:28 (two years ago) link
Before reviving this, I did check to see if we had any "celebs who have killed ppl" threads. Just "US presidents...," tho.
― jaymc, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:14 (two years ago) link
Vince Neil 2 thred
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:17 (two years ago) link
Phil Spector
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:21 (two years ago) link
Gig Young
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:22 (two years ago) link
Keith Moon
― Chappies banging dustbin lids together (President Keyes), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:23 (two years ago) link
Claudine Longet
― Precious, Grace, Hill & Beard LTD. (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:25 (two years ago) link
Matthew Broderick
("In 1987, Broderick accidentally killed two people when he steered his car across the centerline of a road in Ireland; he was convicted of causing death by reckless driving.")
― nickn, Saturday, 23 October 2021 00:28 (two years ago) link
Spade Cooley
― MrDasher, Saturday, 23 October 2021 01:23 (two years ago) link
Jack Kirby
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 23 October 2021 01:32 (two years ago) link
LA Times wouldn't let me past subscription sign-up, but think this goes w that:https://www.reuters.com/world/us/alec-baldwin-fired-prop-gun-that-killed-crew-member-movie-set-authorities-2021-10-22/ Re conditions on set etc
― dow, Saturday, 23 October 2021 01:50 (two years ago) link
Not absolving him, but I'm sure we'll get a clearer sense if he was a producer in any hands-on/managerial sense vs. being a primary funder of a movie he wanted to make.
― ... (Eazy), Saturday, 23 October 2021 02:21 (two years ago) link
Was wondering about that, too. I guess I feel like, with the misfiring incidents that preceded the fatal one and union crew members walking off the set, Baldwin was in a position to put a pause on production in either case. But maybe I'm assuming too much.
― jaymc, Saturday, 23 October 2021 04:58 (two years ago) link
From that Reuters article:
Cano said the incident took place at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, south of Santa Fe, during a rehearsal and it was not clear whether it had been filmed.
He said the prop gun was one of three on a cart outside a building. One of them was taken by the assistant director on the movie who went inside and handed it to Baldwin.
"As the assistant director handed the gun to the actor Alec Baldwin, (he) yelled 'cold gun', indicating the prop gun did not have any live rounds," the affidavit said.
As the investigation proceeded, questions were raised about working conditions on the set of "Rust", a small budget Western movie of which Baldwin was both star and a co-producer.Cano said the incident took place at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, south of Santa Fe, during a rehearsal and it was not clear whether it had been filmed.
As the investigation proceeded, questions were raised about working conditions on the set of "Rust", a small budget Western movie of which Baldwin was both star and a co-producer."We cited everything from lack of payment for three weeks, taking our hotels away despite asking for them in our deals, lack of Covid safety, and on top of that, poor gun safety! Poor on-set safety period!" one camera crew member wrote on a private Facebook page, according to Deadline.
Reuters could not immediately confirm the accounts. Rust Movie Productions did not respond to a request for comment on Friday but said in a statement it was investigating.
"Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down," the company said in its statement.
..."I don't understand why we would still use blank rounds in a day when you could simulate them," indie film director and producer Ben Rock told Reuters on Friday.
― dow, Saturday, 23 October 2021 05:26 (two years ago) link
Sorry to post that bit twice; ads kept jumping out. That's my alibi!
― dow, Saturday, 23 October 2021 05:29 (two years ago) link
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― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 23 October 2021 06:56 (two years ago) link
I saw Alec Baldwin at a high end Japanese restaurant in Santa Fe two nights before the shooting. Meanwhile, they were making crew members drive 50+ miles from ABQ each day after promising them they’d have lodging in town. https://t.co/I7xHpCsaSc— Jason Paladino (@jason_paladino) October 22, 2021
Only a day before the tragic shooting on the set of #RustMovie, a crew member on the film commented on a pro-IATSE Instagram video by actor and producer @AlecBaldwin Baldwin complaining of unsafe work hours.Link to the original post: https://t.co/su0jdHjBrm pic.twitter.com/Bipfncrnpy— Marta Evry (@venice4change) October 22, 2021
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 23 October 2021 07:07 (two years ago) link
I’m not sure how the description of what the redditors are talking about isn’t true either way. How traumatized he must feel and his state of mind going forward are very much a central part of the drama of this story, ESPECIALLY now that he may be responsible for the dangerous circumstances. It’s very hard to not wonder about the state of mind of someone in that highly melodramatic situation. Being the “main character” doesn’t mean being the good guy, and if he is indeed the bad guy it would be similarly silly to go as far as to assume he is evil like cliche bad guys in fiction and isn’t going through some real shit atm. Understandable to imagine people focusing on that speculation.
― Evan, Saturday, 23 October 2021 13:03 (two years ago) link
*So far*, seems like assistant director who brought the gun to Baldwin didn't check it first, and why bring that one? Maybe because it was checked? Gun consultant to productions said this morning on CNN that there might have been three for different purposes, like a total prop gun just to show on screen, and a rubber gun for characters to struggle over.
― dow, Saturday, 23 October 2021 18:06 (two years ago) link
Since they'd already had some kind of accident, at least one, involving misfire...
― dow, Saturday, 23 October 2021 18:07 (two years ago) link
Oh man, she did a lot--despite headline, this is more about her: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rust-filmmaker-joel-souza-breaks-silence-after-colleague-halyna-hutchins-n1282208
― dow, Saturday, 23 October 2021 18:13 (two years ago) link
Yeah when I first heard a bit of this story yesterday the news piece I'd picked up halfway thru was talking about how well regarded she was by her peers
― maybe these baps are legends (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 23 October 2021 18:43 (two years ago) link
received no less than five texts from out-of-town friends asking if i knew anything about the guy that went to the hospital here -- nice try, losers!!!!
anyway, just a huge bummer all around
― gbx, Saturday, 23 October 2021 18:54 (two years ago) link
in awe pic.twitter.com/p1NNdtgScP— saying 'yacht' when it is CLEARLY a houseboat 😤 (@ChrisCaesar) October 22, 2021
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 23 October 2021 21:20 (two years ago) link
B-b-but people love...oh wait.
― Double Chocula (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 23 October 2021 21:27 (two years ago) link
10 paces then we turn and run at eachother with these bats
― John Lakeman gives pipe lecture (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 24 October 2021 05:50 (two years ago) link
re: the discussion upthread about the general danger of film sets. It's actually insane how many people die or are seriously injured shooting movies and most of them you don't even hear about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_and_television_accidents
― Number None, Sunday, 24 October 2021 09:01 (two years ago) link
so it's starting to sound like "why was the gun pointing at people?" is a pertinent question
― maybe these baps are legends (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 October 2021 09:05 (two years ago) link
On the final night of shooting in Nova Scotia, 80 cast and crew members were hospitalized after pranksters spiked the clam chowder at the catering area with PCP.[183]
wtfOn Titanic
― kinder, Sunday, 24 October 2021 09:57 (two years ago) link
Unidentified Henry Lehrman comedy (1919). Comedian Billie Ritchie, while working on a short comedy film, was kicked in the stomach by an ostrich and sustained internal injuries, which eventually caused his death.
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, 24 October 2021 10:13 (two years ago) link
Super Mario Bros. (1993). Bob Hoskins was stabbed four times, electrocuted, and was nearly drowned. During one scene, Hoskins broke a finger when the door of a van slammed on his hand.
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 11:31 (two years ago) link
During the filming of Public Enemy Number One Bobby Davro suffered a broken nose when the pillory he was placed in, not being secured vertically, toppled over projecting him face-first onto the studio's concrete floor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxYBpZ70y70
― namaste darkness my old friend (ledge), Sunday, 24 October 2021 11:33 (two years ago) link
With this guy being a HUGE celebrity, I went to his filmography to try to recollect what movies I had seen him in, and there has only been one role that wasn't a voice-over/voice actor part: Beetlejuice. Apparently he was the dead husband? It was shocking to me because that really doesn't look like Alec Baldwin to me.
Voice roles that I have seen Baldwin in:
The Royal Tenenbaums Narrator (voice)The SpongeBob SquarePants Movie Dennis the Hitman (voice)Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa Makunga the Lion (voice)The Boss Baby Boss Baby (voice)
And of those, I don't actively recall any of the performances except Boss Baby.
― peace, man, Sunday, 24 October 2021 11:38 (two years ago) link
Bob Hoskins as Rasputin
― siffleur’s mom (wins), Sunday, 24 October 2021 11:40 (two years ago) link
just being pedantic here, but Bob wasn't electrocuted
― calzino, Sunday, 24 October 2021 12:15 (two years ago) link
Citation needed
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 12:46 (two years ago) link
Unidentified Henry Lehrman comedy (1919). Comedian Billie Ritchie, while working on a short comedy film, was kicked in the stomach by an ostrich and sustained internal injuries, which eventually caused his death.― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, October 24, 2021 6:13 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Sunday, October 24, 2021 6:13 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
That's a myth. Ritchie died of cancer, but because that was so taboo the ostrich story stuck.
Among the reasons for the creation of the Screen Actors Guild: the firearms handlers were using standard "live" ammo. James Cagney and his peers understandably objected.
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 12:51 (two years ago) link
xp
I'm not disputing that he might have got a tickle, but electrocution.. no that's when it kills you!
― calzino, Sunday, 24 October 2021 12:57 (two years ago) link
Weird detail that I just came across: Francis Fisher being in the cast of Rust and tweeting about it.
― Through with “What’s the Buzz” (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 October 2021 12:59 (two years ago) link
calz, understood, just doing wikihumor
― When Young Sheldon began to rap (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 24 October 2021 15:05 (two years ago) link
many xps Hunt For Red October is his best movie IIRC
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:52 (two years ago) link
I wonder how often he, Vincent D’Onofrio and Liev Schreiber compete for roles.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 24 October 2021 17:54 (two years ago) link
don't get the drive to blame baldwin for this, unless I'm misreading the comments above
― akm, Sunday, 24 October 2021 18:15 (two years ago) link
Hunt For Red October is his best movie IIRCyou are misrecalling his best movie in 1990 alone
― bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 24 October 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link