the scottish independence referendum

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My timeline already full of "just go away, we're subsidising you ungrateful and we don't want you" guys, who all seem to have changed their tune from the unionist tune they were all dancing to in 2014 insisting we had to stay for, um, reasons.

I think for it to be successful it has to be made very clear to idiots like, say, my mum, that the SNP don't have to be the party in government of an independent Scotland. She hated Salmond and hates Sturgeon (despite all the free prescriptions and the free buses and the forthcoming free education her grandson will benefit from, to pick three examples) and even hating the Tories won't convince her to cut Scotland adrift of Westminster because boo SNP bad (c) BBC Scotland and the Scottish Daily Mail.

ailsa, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 07:59 (one year ago) link

I'm an indy supporter but I'm really not sure if this is the right time. It doesn't feel to me like there's much demand for a second referendum right now, what with how wild everything's been over the last few years

paolo, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 07:59 (one year ago) link

I've seen people argue that Brexit might actually put voters off voting for Scottish independence, that all the chaos and disruption of leaving the EU will make voters worry that leaving the UK would be equally (or even more) fraught, as well as the fact that an independent Scotland would have to rejoin the EU rather than automatically remaining a member. Does this seem credible to people more in-the-know than me, or is desire to rejoin the EU/resentment of being pulled out of the EU by England the more significant factor?

soref, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 08:14 (one year ago) link

I don't think Scottish (re)accession to the EU will necessarily be straightforward, given Spanish thoughts about the precedent it would set for Catalonia

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 08:49 (one year ago) link

whether that is something that Scottish voters will take into account ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Critique of the Goth Programme (Neil S), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 08:52 (one year ago) link

If only Russia could be persuaded to invade Scotland.

Eavis Has Left the Building (Tom D.), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 09:06 (one year ago) link

xxxp I think that worry about the disruption of leaving the UK and wanting to join the EU probably cancel each other out. That's just a personal feeling, I don't have any data to back that up

paolo, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 09:58 (one year ago) link

I remember in 2014 Salmond insisting that negotiating Scotland's exit from the UK would be very straightforward, both Scotland and the rump UK would have a shared interest coming to an agreement everyone was happy with etc, which seemed implausible at the time and is even more unconvincing after Brexit.

soref, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 10:15 (one year ago) link

Ironically probably a better chance of negotiation with any other government than this one

bury my heart in wounded kieth (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:16 (one year ago) link

yesterday I heard the most important issue being brought up on PM: Would ppl from rump UK to be able to take their dogs with them into an independent Scotland without any nonsense like when they take them to France these days. The posh as fuck English people that take their dogs with them on holiday lobby deserve to have their say on Scotland's future as well!

calzino, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:39 (one year ago) link


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