Taco Bell: Classic or Dud?

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Taco Bell = gross. I can eat one bean burrito and think it's pretty good, but if I eat a second one I start to realize how disgusting it is.
The best Tex Mex restaurant in Richmond is owned by a Greek couple. It's so good, they've got these potato and cheese quesedillas that are so aaarrrgghhtararghah...

NA. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh man I can make Brians potato tacos!! They aare GRATE! Taco tastic! I'm off for guacamole and washing powder, EE-URP!

Sarah (starry), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

I agree with That Girl's comment about Taco Bell being perfectly good fast food, an entity unto itself that shouldn't be compared to actual Mex or Tex-Mex food, or even the kind of Tex-Mex fast food you can get in urban areas.

I'm a bit of a food snob. I've had some really good, high-quality Mex/Tex-Mex meals, and I can tell you all about them. But I enjoy a burrito from Taco Bell every now and again. Does that make me a philistine?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 15:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't see how you can separate the two.

Apparently you don't live in the south. It seems like most of the best stuff here, from Tex Mex, to gumbo to fried chicken, is just food people made from whatever was around. I think equating the quality of the ingredients to good taste is like equating the quality of a guitar to a good song -- I figure it's mostly a matter of who's doing the preparing, and who's on the receiving end.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

when i was in high school, i ate taco bell way too frequently.

friday night nerd night for john fail involved going to taco bell and getting a chili cheese burrito (originally called the chilito, but renamed due to an unfortunately slang term for 'small penis'), big beef meximelt, or tostada.

when i turned vegetarian at age 16 i continued to go to taco bell, getting soft tacos with beans, baja gorditas with beans, and tostadas. i quit eating at taco bell about the time the chalupa came out. it disgusted me so much, and made me open my eyes to how disgusting the food was. the chalupa tasted like a burrito inside a donut, and what also pissed me off was how the gordita shells changed after the chalupa was introduced. fuck you pepsico.

sometime last year i had a 7 layer burrito because a friend was going through drive through and i thought 'what the hell'. it was my first taco bell in at least two years, and it was fucking nasty.

there's a weird taco bell knockoff called Taco Maker Express. there's one in breezewood, PA (town of motels) and i always stop there on road trips. it's actually worse than taco bell, but it's this weird novelty to me. the burritos have some special "salsa" or sauce that tastes basically like ketchup. their mascot is named Taco the Cat. they have a thing called a Taco Burger. and tater-tots!

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dleone, I think we're talking at cross-purposes here. I agree that great food can be made from very inexpensive ingredients. Certainly there is an art form involved here. That's why I said the quality of the food depends on TWO factors: the quality of the ingredients AND how they are prepared. The second factor sometimes supercedes the first. I think there is less disagreement between our two positions than it may seem.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 16:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think my position on the matter is this: a third factor, that of what you expect, and what you already like, is perhaps the most important (and probably the reason I can't stand an immaculately prepared bowl of Chinese bitter-mellon caserole). Furthermore, only snobs don't like Taco Bell. :p

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm trying to distinguish food that I like from food that I actually think is good (shades of deja vu here, we've had this discussion at length over on ILM, except pertaining to music instead of food). But if being a snob is the price I have to pay for thinking that TB is not good food, then so be it - my stomach will still thank me.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

So when do we get a crummy third-rate version of Thai food in a drive-thru fast-food setting!?!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yeah, I think that argument goes over better with music. I can see a "food that is good for me" vs "food that I like", but am definitely the type that says good=favorite with food. Not that TB as a particular fave mind you, but I would have no problem choosing cheese grits over a gourmet souflee or whatever.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

So when do we get a crummy third-rate version of Thai food in a drive-thru fast-food setting!?!

We already have that here! Almost.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Bell yucky. Anna's Taqueria in Brighton = Brilliance.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Here's the blurb on San Loco from the Top 100 Latin Restaurants issue of the Village Voice:

39. San Loco
There's nothing "authentic" about this East Village favorite, like a hippie dreaming of Mexican food. Corn and flour tortillas met for the first time in their taco loco, married by refried beans, inspiring Taco Bell's rip-off. The beef enchiladas and fish tacos are also great, especially swabbed with Stupid, the very hottest salsa.

Notice that Taco Bell did not place.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 17:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

What's your point?

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gee, you Taco Bell fans are getting a bit touchy. I was just offering a comparison to show that fast food Mexican can be done right.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Bell yucky. Anna's Taqueria in Brighton = Brilliance.

I've been there! It's the only place on the east coast I've ever had a remotely good burrito. The worst was in New York, at a place promising "San Francisco, Mission-style" burritos; which they were somehow trying to do without offering pork or anything other than black beans. Fucking terrible!

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, I like Taco Bell.

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Del Taco is better and cheaper though. Their strawberry shakes are particularly great.

Kris (aqueduct), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:26 (twenty-one years ago) link

Gee, you Taco Bell fans are getting a bit touchy. I was just offering a comparison to show that fast food Mexican can be done right.

I know it can be done "right" -- but I like Taco Bell!!

(Del Taco was gross the one time I had it.)

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

This argt is the culinary equivalent of the Norah Jones thread.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

pittsburgher, please patronize Taco Loco on E. Carson St. it's amazing and very authentic - no burritos!

in texas last month i saw a lot of Taco Buenos - is that any better than taco bell?

j fail (cenotaph), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I was in college, we graduated to Taco Cabana, which doesn't really taste all that great, but did serve margaritas until 2am. However, I think there is a longstanding bias against fast food. When I look in the papers here at the restaurant section, there isn't a single fast food place that gets more than 3 stars. Not a single one! Yet, there's a godawful "authentic" Chinese place that gets 4 stars for nothing more that I can tell than having pretty wallpaper.

dleone (dleone), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

"authentic mexican food" : tacos & burritos :: l. r0n hubb@rd : cosmology

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

hey mr. dj flip and reverse that last part

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

gwai lo bao la

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

What do you all think of El Pollo Loco?

I am in love with Suzy now thanks to her post on this thread.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

El Pollo Loco is OK and if there's nothing else in the vicinity I'll give it a whirl. There's a couple of other chicken chains here in LA I prefer: Zankou Chicken (amazing Armenian-style rottisserie chicken with garlic sauce) and Koo Koo Roo (an upscale Pollo Loco that's a couple dollars more expensive but with dramatically better food)

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

El Pollo Loco is awesome. That would be one of the Southern California fast food options that I miss the most out East, maybe second only to In-N-Out Burger.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

In-N-Out Burger

It only makes sense to have this chain in the ponography capital of the United States.

amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

I think it would be hard to get better french fries than the ones you get at McDonald's when they're fresh out of the deep fryer.

YOU. ARE. INSANE. Eww. They're so greasy and mushy. No way they can compare to some decent sit-down restaurant ones.

buttch (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

is the green burrito still around?

el pollo loco loses MAJOR hps (2d20+6) for no refried beans.

San Diego has the -berto's/-berta's family of mex-am chains... 3 rolled tacos with guacamole at 3am after a particularly draining physics lab was my pallid "real genius" episode.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never ate at Taco Bell in HS or college. I was living at home and/or always had other means available for stuffing my face. I was a picky indie elitist in college. They did have this one neighborhood joint called Bandito Burrito which was staffed with all the pierced tattooed punk rockers from my high school and served Jarrito's sodas as well as cold beer. I think they have rock shows there now once in a while. Whatever. Point is I used to be too good to eat Taco Bell.

Having joined the AF, however, and been privy to the joys of chow hall cuisine, I now find Taco Bell to be a welcome change of pace whenever I find myself in a position to grab three gorditas and whatever's new on the menu plus maybe a crispy taco or two and no I don't want a fucking Coke with that I have Miller High Life at home. I must admit that there are times when I find that nothing else but Taco Bell will hit the spot. That shit be quintessential to the American life. I bet Madonna hates Taco Bell. Well Madonna can stuff a baja chalupa all up in her ass.

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Done.

Madonna (Oops), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

is the green burrito still around?

Bought out by Carl's Jr. That should tell you all you need to know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dleone, you'd take TB over Ojedas?!? Are you insane?!?

That Girl (thatgirl), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

especially swabbed with Stupid, the very hottest salsa.

I think this is funny.
How about Baja Fresh, La Salsa (still around?), Wahoo, El Torito, Baja Grill? All upscale fast food chains. La Salsa was great the first few times I ate there, tho it seemed to get blander and more "processed" tasting later. I think there may still be one inside the local Fuddrucker's.

nickn (nickn), Wednesday, 7 May 2003 22:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Wahoo's and Baja Fresh are still worthwhile, especially Baja Fresh's two taco combo for $4.50 which is terrific.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

baja fresh is over-rated.

started by some thousand oaks church lady or something.

and eff poquito mas while you're at it. safe/"fresh"/bland suburban mexican food = no fun.

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm also compelled to mention that the Laguna Beach Taco Bell (corner of Cleo St. and PCH) was reported to be the premiere place in town to purchase your pot in the 1970s - having a strategic location diagonally opposite the only 24 hour supermarket in town.

Don't know if that's still the case now (the Taco Bell is still there).

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

total fucking classic. I'll be waiting for the bus there tonight. Thanks to my schedule I eat late their twice a week. They're the only place open late downtown except for the shitty local diner so god bless them. I usually get the chicken quesadilla but recently the Cheesy Gordita Crunch special has been my pick.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

some taco bells in LA still have the old original mission style architecture, i do think that is cool (in that LA/Vegas "instant culture just add water" way).

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

If only they had water in LA or Las Vegas.

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 8 May 2003 01:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

mul hol land

gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 8 May 2003 01:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

dleone:

Taco Cabana? You know about that place?

*pauses*

Where are you, location-wise (aside from in your home, in some room, etc.)?

Wow. I thought for sure I'd be the only one clued in to Taco Cabana. They make good rice & (regular) beans and good corn tortillas, but that's about it. Still, it's way better than Taco Bell. ;)

Dee the Semi-Lurker (Dee the Lurker), Thursday, 8 May 2003 02:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Taco Cabana represents in TX. All of it, Dee. I would've mentioned it but I figured the five of us Texans on ILX were the only ones who knew.

(dleone is in Big D like me.)

That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Crazy to think I've only been there (Cabana) like 5 times. I like the fact they 1) have a 'salsa bar' with limes and hot sauce and onions etc, 2) serve alcohol and 3) have outside seating.

Aaron A., Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Haha, I think the Northwesterners are too afraid to mention TacoTime... as are the Midwesterners of mentioning Taco John's

That said, a Baja Fresh just opened up in my neighborhood, and -- sadly -- it probably outdoes most of the "true" Mexican dining establishments in this city already. (I like Baja Fresh, but I'd hesitate to call it "da BOMB" or anything)

Ned hinted at Thai Spice.. the kinda fast food Thai place in Orange County.. And I'll also mention Niki's, the kinda fast food Indian place in O.C. as well. All I'll say is: DON'T GO THERE! Unless you're a fan of culinary diseases.

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 8 May 2003 03:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh man I can make Brians potato tacos!! They aare GRATE! Taco tastic! I'm off for guacamole and washing powder, EE-URP!

Oh. my. god. I think even I forgot how to make those. (psst, starry, do you still have the recipe handy?)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I was reading the Watchmen comics I thought that the Gunga Diner Indian fast food was brilliant.

I still want one.

Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 8 May 2003 04:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Brian I saved it somewhere online especially!

However I can't access it cos the site is blocked. I can sum it up basically:

BOIL POTATOES
MASH potatoes with SPICES (cumin, coriander, paprika, cayenne pepper, tabasco were the last things I put in a taco mix, I'm sure there was a bit more but can't recall) and loads of BUTTER
PUT IN TACO!

Just search on it you lazy git.

Speaking of fast food I've been told of a place in Stratford called something like Punjab King - looks exactly like McD's but when you go in it's filled with loads of indian food. The person who told me IS a complete and utter mentalist but I AM STILL GOING TO TRY IT.

Sarah (starry), Thursday, 8 May 2003 08:43 (twenty-one years ago) link


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