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What was his line tonight? Something like, "I want to report the truth, with the bounds of decency."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

within the bounds, sorry, can't type tonight

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:22 (nineteen years ago) link

And the line about "I consider the bounds of decency to be those which more fully report the truth" was pretty nice, too. My roommate, FWIW, won't watch the show because he feels it's appealing to a low-class, bigoted demographic. I don't think I could disagree more but I DO feel that I understand his point. There's something strangely nasty about the show. To make a shoddy metaphor: much of the violence on the show is similar in character to Tarantino's use of the word 'nigger' inasmuch as it's 25% gleeful, 25% in-your-face offensive, 25% over-the-top, and 25% honest-to-god progressive.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Well, I think it's an interesting thing because it seems to me to have a sort of fundamentally liberal perspective -- more political than Tarantino, who seems to lack politics (that's not a criticism, just an observation) -- but it also seems like a new kind of liberalism. A deliberately not-nice kind, unconcerned with giving individual offense, rooted in an insistence on a certain amount of honesty about how things work in the world. It's a kind of liberalism I'd like to see and hear more, not least because I think it has a hell of lot more to say about the current state of things than John Kerry or John Edwards. (The Wire is another example of this strain, I'd say. But it's hard to come by.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago) link

I totally agree. Did you get to read the Milch article in the New Yorker a few weeks back? If not drop me an email w. your address and I'll send it to you; I made a copy for posterity.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, it's true abt. the liberalism -- Milch (and the current position he embodies) are markedly unconcerned with allegedly 'viceful' social behaviors - drugs, sex, consensual violence - and a Western TV show on a rare network which privileges artistic intent more than their competitors is the perfect soapbox from which to preach. God bless him, AFAIC.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:49 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I read the New Yorker article, it was very interesting. And it made me glad guys like him have HBO to work in. (Which, as that Frank Rich column notes, congressional members of the Right-Thinking Brigade are making noises about trying to regulate. A little too much honesty floating around for their tastes.)

It seems to me the perspective on Deadwood and The Wire too is kind of a left-libertarianism -- which is a weird place to be on the American political spectrum, because it's kind of the dominant voice of our mass entertainments, but it's almost totally unrepresented in actual political dialogue. And lacking political representation, it tends to run and hide whenever bipartisan bluenoses start yammering about values. I'm so sick of reading allegedly "liberal" columnists say things like, "Of course, our pop culture is an open sewer, and nobody can blame parents for wanting to protect their children..."

(Which is also another reason I like Frank Rich, because he's one of the only major liberal voices in the media who's sounding alarms about all this "indecency" stuff -- it's like he actually sees it for what it is. We need more pundits with arts backgrounds, maybe.)

I'll shut up now. But I do love this show.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 07:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Fascinating New Yorker article, if not for the faint whiff of, well, bullshit...

Indeed.

What are y'all favorite lines from Deadwood? Put them here.

I like the little speech Swearengen gives about when he and Dan came and built Deadwood from scratch, "bucktooth fucking beavers slapping their tails in the water as if we were hired entertainment". Haha.

just adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 14 March 2005 16:32 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought Ferris Bueller's principal was in jail btw.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I was just about to write that! I knew I recognized him from somewhere, and when someone said Ferris Beuller, I just remembered, wasn't he jailed for something rather lurid?

kyle (akmonday), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago) link

I didn't even know about that. From The Smoking Gun, it looks like he's out, but on probation as a registered sex offender...

Well, he's good on Deadwood.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Yes, he had pictures of underaged girls, I believe, but I thought he got busted again recently.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"I ain't pissed off. I'm in fucking wonderment. I'm waiting to be kept happy by another fucking fairytale."

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago) link

The cocksucking scripts are going to be a fucking pleasure to read. Cunt.

just adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a bunch of them I picked up @ WGA. They're wonderful, and intimidating. My spec is the crassest thing I've ever written.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I am still thinking about my Shield spec! nEW SEASON STARTS TOMORROW omg!!

just adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 14 March 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link

"tighter than a bull's ass in fly season" was one that the new yorker liked.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

& appropriate given the current staff!

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Swearengen is seriously one of the best written/acted characters i have ever seen on TV ever. like a more fleshed out wild-west Bill the Butcher. toning him down would be such a huge mistake.

lemin (lemin), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked him last night. He's pretty cool now that he's hurt. And I feel like - frankly - I understand him much more than Bullock's. Bullock's a boring nerd. And I'm happy to see Sol finally begin to come into his own.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I like that Swearengen -- for all his amorality, killing and general willingness to engage in appalling behavior -- is also in some ways a much more reasonable guy than Bullock. And more likable too (I love Trixie's contempt for Bullock -- the show doesn't lionize him even though he's the ostensible "good" guy).

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 03:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Ed Rooney was arrested for taking pictures of 14yr old boys. Not girls.

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 10:52 (nineteen years ago) link

WOAH

just adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I've made it through the first two eps but I'm not enthralled. Do I get more Parker/Olyphant and less Calamity Jane as the season goes on?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago) link

No.

just adam (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 19:17 (nineteen years ago) link

Jane actually gets much, much better.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I love Trixie's contempt for Bullock -- the show doesn't lionize him even though he's the ostensible "good" guy.

OTMFM. Swearengen is the REAL hero of the show; Bullock is this sort of confused teenager.

I personally think the whole thing is what MOST great ensemble cast stories are: a personification of the inner life of the chief writer. Bullock THINKS he's the superego, but he's really the id; Swearengen THINKS he's the id, but he's really the ego.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I dislike Bullock, but the fact that I dislike him makes me like him more if that makes any sense.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

It does, and I agree. My favorites:

Trixie
Doc
Alma (ooh, I just know she's a con-artist. I know it. I used to hate her, until it occured to me she was an evil bitch. Now I like her tons.)
Starr (getting better, and I hope to see him allied w. Trixie against Bullock).
and Ricky Jay's character. Is he back this season?


and, naturally, Swearengen.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago) link

I like Dan Dority a lot!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, yes. Especially in the last episode where he cried!? That was wonderful. Also - OTMFM, Forksclovetofu w. the Ego/Id/Superego business. I've thought the same thing mesself, though differently modeled, but you wrote it up all clever-like, and now I'm going to steal your conception.

Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 15 March 2005 22:33 (nineteen years ago) link

"Yeah I just farted..so what?"

Chris 'The Nuts' V (Chris V), Wednesday, 16 March 2005 11:27 (nineteen years ago) link

i just watched Gangs of New York last night for the first time; does anyone else see any cross influence here? maybe it's just the moustaches. I think McShane might have made a better Bill the Butcher.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 19 March 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago) link

now don't be taking no sides .... I don't think either of those characters could have been done any better by anyone else. i did notice the comparison, though, as i mentioned upthread. they're built from the same mold.

lemin (lemin), Saturday, 19 March 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago) link

oops, I missed your earlier post!

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 19 March 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

There's old New Yorkers littered all over the house. I'm gonna have to find the Milch one. What's the cover date?

Austin (Austin), Sunday, 20 March 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago) link

The February 14 & 21 double issue.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 21 March 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Thank you. Now, onward...

That, if I may be motherfuckin' permitted to voice my goddamn opinion on the topic which we have at here to fuckin' hand, could possibly be concieved as my favorite episode to date, despite the motherfuckin' surfeit of Al, speaking of his estimable (yet lacking in coherence) contributions in the matter of dialogues. This sonofabitch Mr. W - and if that's not a name evocative of our ways and times I'll be doubly fucked as to what could qualify - is representing a shadowy, powerful, distant motherfucker who's very name puts a shake in the boots of everyone in this shithole camp from a craven cocksucker like E.B. to the icewatery veins of Cy Fuckin' Tolliver? Oh, he's a body to keep your bloodshot peepers on of a one hundred percent certainty.

Austin (Austin), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago) link

Ricky Jay is NOT back this season; presumably he has other work to see to.
I think tonight's episode was as strong as anything the show has ever done; after two shows to set up the general tone and tenor of the season (and, not incidentally, suggest that all the characters are just a whisper away from killing each other at any given time, so don't touch that dial), we are with all four wheels on the ground and rolling.

The sequence where Trixie told off the Jew ("fuck the whole lot of you. i wish i was a tree") was as brilliant and clean and incisive as anything I've ever seen on television.

OTM with Dan crying. Such a great character.

Did anybody else notice that the actor who plays the new Hearst man is the same guy who killed Wild Bill?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, I'd note that I was a little iffy about Milch's plan to "unman" Swearengen so as to further the interaction of everybody ELSE in the town, seeing as I love watching him strut the stage so.
His screams echoing through the town while the Doc wielded the sound were a suggestion that Swearengen NEVER is out of the picture; he's the Lear that everyone else's plans have to intersect or respect.
In any case, again: yeah, this could have been the best episode yet.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 04:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Agreed. And I think that Swearengen's third-episode screaming montage is in direct parallel to his vocal Trixie-fucking in the third episode of the first season. As is the use of Dillahunt's Mr. W. character (also Jack McCall - I looked him up) as playing a potential gambit against series regulars. Alma's nastiness was wonderful, and I'm beginning to see great potential for her intersection w. Trixie. They've got a similar end-goal, and I think it involves Bullock. Moreover: great moments =

1) Trixie / Jane
2) "Don't look me in the face."
3) "Don't spread the rumors. About the claims. Don't."
4) "Maybe I'm wrong on account of me being perpetually fucking drunk."

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 21 March 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, that Trixie/Jane scene was perfect, so many things going on there, well written and well played. All the best scenes were between women: Joanie and Maddie, Alma and her nanny. Mr. W. gives me the cold robbies. And bringing Hearst into the picture is great. Makes me wish Milch could do several interconnected 19th century series, tying all the robber baron stories together. There's your (cocksucking cunting fucking) People's History of the United States, for fuck's sake. (Although, does W. really work for Hearst? Or is he possibly bullshitting?)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:14 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno. I do notice in the cast listing for the show that Cy's still credited as guest-cast. Meaning, naturally, that --


ahem.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:17 (nineteen years ago) link

oink oink.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 21 March 2005 07:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Whatsername, Joanie's fuckin' partner in whoredom knew this W. cocksucker from San Francisco, if I'm not mistaken on account of being fuckin' drunk all the time. I possess no lofty intellect the likes of Doc or E.W. fuckin' Merrick, but I can connect a dot or two if that is the task at which I find my fuckin' self put. Being that the Wolcott cocksucker is apparently legitimately from San Fan Fuckin' Frisco and that he seems to have enough pull to get into the highest priced of pussy vending establishments there and even to have his preference for cunt catered to as he embarks on long cross country journeys into lawless territory dominated by dirt worshipping heathens I harbor more than just a suspicion that he's the real fuckin' deal. This has no bearing on whether the dandy dickheaded psychopath and con arteeste will or won't fail to fill the bellies of the swine that Celestial shitbird keeps, of course.

(it's fun to post in Deadwoodese!)

Austin, Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Incidentally, the "Guest" status of powers boothe probably has more to do with his contracted billing than his status with the pigs.
Not that I'd doubt it one way or another.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I may be stating the obvious here, but is everyone aware that Jewel is the same actress from the "VERY SPECIAL EPISODE" of facts of life?

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 21 March 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago) link

I feel like the dialogue on this show is very Shakespearian, E.B.'s monologues in particular, but pretty much anything involving discussions of the current goings on - not to mention, if they were to remove all the expletives it wouldn't be all that far off from his language as well. it's one of the things i love most about the show, for obvious reasons

lemin (lemin), Monday, 21 March 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

haha, i just realized that during E.B.'s first monologue, he's trying to rub out a blood spot on the floor. i don't know how i missed that ...

lemin (lemin), Wednesday, 23 March 2005 08:21 (nineteen years ago) link


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