Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

Had a business meeting today to which one of the attendees showed up wearing a Trump hat.

white or red?

Red.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/king-bush-cruz-circus-no-hed.png?w=575

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-far-jeb-bush-is-going-to-stop-trump/

someone asked "dick_nixon" a couple weeks ago what Christie's role in a Trump Admin would be and he said "Billy Carter."

man do they love that chart. feel like it kinda sums up a lot of the gaps between what they're good at and what they think they're good at, without marking the moment when they slip into punditry, or interrogating the assumptions behind the model, the variables, the connotations of words... like the numerous unspoken things implied by organizing the field in such a chart, which just get accepted as truths in between the lines.

The author admits that placement of candidates on that chart is based on nothing but guesswork and whim.

yeah but that still assumes that there could be a correct placement, that these are the right circles to draw... the same-sizeness of the circles, which ones are imagined as overlapping vs. utterly distant, the fuzziness of "establishment" vs "moderate" (where the latter in the real world describes none of these people), trump just being "outside" in the same spot the entire time (wouldn't his success suggest that there's some big overlap he's riding?) (what if he's "moved? did anybody else move?). it's probably a useful illustration of SOMETHING but they trot it out for like every debate as if it has a general explanatory power, when the chart itself is what needs explaining. I dunno.

Let us agree that it is a deeply stupid chart in every regard.

sorry guys

i saw colors and shapes and lines and lost control!

hahaha, nothin against you KM, just suddenly struck me.

i think behind that chart is an interesting idea: a shitshow is not amenable to that kind of analysis. but they don't seem to agree with that idea so...

i'm just happy that DT has his own whitespace anteroom

I like how Christie had to go *around* Kasich in that graph

waddling all the way

might as well post this here:

josh marshall's twitter account has been hacked by some nobody esports website. "enjoy" it while it lasts.

@DennisThePerrin Mar 19
Okay, okay. If I absolutely *had* to, I'd vote for Hubert Humphrey over Hillary Clinton. http://bit.ly/1Rbfola #noseheld #nosebleed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EbEDvjyvI

you don't say!

Hunter Thompson, you may remember, voted for Dick Gregory... and wrote that if the Dems nominated Humphrey again in '72, he'd vote for Nixon.

I think that chart up there works if you imagine the circles as bath-bombs and the candidates as little bits of polystyrene, and the whole thing immersed in water.

Obama, leaving Cuba yesterday:

"As far as the notion of having surveillance of neighborhoods where Muslims are present, I just left a country that engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance, which, by the way, the father of Sen. Cruz escaped for America, the land of the free," he said.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/7/74/Raven_oh_snap.gif/revision/latest?cb=20141004140823

sorry to revisit old news, but remember the GOP debate that was supposed to happen recently, but then trump refused to participate? why did kasich also refuse to participate? i remember it was confusing at the time, since it seemed like a cruz/kasich debate would be good exposure for both of them. did anyone ever figure that out?

Kasich seems to be hanging on for dear life to this incredibly remote possibility that an open convention turns to a guy who finished a distant third, all because there are polls that show he beats Clinton. Which doesn't answer your question--no idea what he was thinking. But he's such a vulture right now, he makes me side with Trump and Cruz.

I think it's bc they don't want to get in each other's way.

#tagteam #dynamicduo etc

That would be the logical answer, but Kasich hasn't given any indication that he's willing to anything not-selfish to help Cruz.

treeship that's the only thing i can think of, but given how trump completely dominates the coverage, you'd think cruz/kasich could have a relatively civil 2 hour debate and offer republican voters a vision of leadership that isn't completely embarrassing. or not trump-level embarrassing, i mean. they're both assholes but i think they could avoid screaming at each other for a single evening and it would be beneficial to both of them. and maybe that was kasich's problem - he just couldn't bear to help cruz, even if he could improve the GOP's chances of taking down Trump and help himself along the way.

i wish i had a young child because then i could record myself saying that to them in soft parental tones, a la the end of a full house episode

Was this posted already?

http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-enjoys-cuba-while-civilization-burns/

She ran four years too early.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12038358_10100685738446456_6935679863041804979_n.jpg?oh=491418fbd795d6e98aeb8634c7b003c0&oe=574CB164

seen in vermont

But he's such a vulture right now, he makes me side with Trump and Cruz.

― clemenza, Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:27 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You must really really fucking hate vultures.

best Obama line of the year:

"As far as the notion of having surveillance of neighborhoods where Muslims are present, I just left a country that engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance, which, by the way, the father of Sen. Cruz escaped for America, the land of the free," he said.

I've never met a vulture. They look kind of scary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ditjNRJNcbM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/712850174838771712

i'm not sure what this guy could do that would surprise me now. maybe kick over a podium and start a brawl?

I am not convinced anyone is signing this non-sarcastically (but I'm probably wrong)

https://www.change.org/p/quicken-loans-arena-allow-open-carry-of-firearms-at-the-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc-convention-in-july-2

xpost God, what a vile piece of shit. I hope he gets curbstomped by Cruz next time they see each other.

He is like, an unabashed misogynist

Nate Silver
‏@NateSilver538
Exclusive @FiveThirtyEight projection on what the Electoral College would look like if women refuse to vote Trump.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeSbXNiWsAA4lhK.jpg:large

lol

i'm told that ben carson is saying crazy things on 'the view'

latest Wisconsin poll has Cruz ahead

"By endorsing Cruz, Romney, Lindsey Graham and now Bush are giving definition to the “anyone” in “Anyone But Trump” movement"

(Not entirely clear this was intended as a sick burn?)

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/ted-cruz-republican-establishment-elites-221174

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/03/24/bernie_sanders_supporters_in_la_say_they_ll_back_clinton.html

The one Sanders supporter who adamantly said she would not support Clinton was 23-year-old Evergreen State College student Hallie Sills, who traveled from Washington to attend the Los Angeles event. Sills, who described herself as “neo-Marxist,” was carrying a sign that read “I DIDNT BEAT UP A TRUMP SUPPORTER 4 BERNIE,” and spoke of Sanders’ other “tour” dates as if they were rock shows. (“I tried to go see him in Seattle. I tried to see him in Vancouver this weekend. I tried to see him in San Diego yesterday, and then my friend sent me tickets for this today last night. I live in Olympia, Washington, so the day I left to come down here was the day of his tour of Washington, and I missed it, and I was really, really mad yesterday about missing the San Diego one because I couldn’t find a ride.”)

“This is a tough question,” she said when asked what she would do if Sanders lost. “I think I would—I’ve said in a few different conversations and out of a little bit of rage and excitement that I would honestly vote for Trump so that I could witness a presidential assassination. But that’s a little intense, so I would rather look into an independent party.”

yep sounds like a 23 year old Evergreen State College student, nothing wrong with that.

She seems chill idk what the problem is

bernie supporters have gotten me paranoid enough that i considered the slate article was just secret oppo cynical writing to convince bernie supporters to vote for hillary and make the one refusal look like an irresponsible phishhead but i love her touring description too much.

last night at the purim party i went to there were a few trump supporter costumes. a russian couple friend were dressed in like american flag + fatigues w/ trump signs that was obv meant to be satirical but there was a guy at the party just wearing the red trump hat and when i asked him he said that he also supported trump so it wasn't really a costume at all. luckily he's canadian tho and does not get a vote. i asked him why he'd vote for trump since he has a wife and child and job and his life is pretty good and he said bc he finds chaos exciting so i guess trump has sewn up the chaotic evil vote.

bernie = chaotic good?
cruz = lawful evil, obvs
hilary = true neutral?

I think this election is revealing that there is at least a small contingent of people -- enough to be a notable voting bloc -- who don't think the world is real or something, that it's all just a game.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War and Patriot Act, that's a hell of a neutral

Speaking to trump supporters the atlantic also found a good amount of folks who said they liked him bc they wanted to watch the world burn or whatever