I just tried to google to see if someone explained exactly what gets cut in Vietnam, but all I found was a story about Emilia Clarke getting punched by a Vietnamese prostitute on vacation here
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 04:19 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/732951346068983808
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:12 (eight years ago) link
Best thing about this episode was how many of the characters are now pointing back towards the centre again, as opposed to drifting further and further away from one another. I give Ramsay another five episodes max.
I actually cheered when Littlefinger reappeared.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 15:46 (eight years ago) link
My girlfriend shuddered! Yeah it was good to see a proper villain again, though his scene was maybe a little pointless? Other than reminding us him and Robin are still alive, all it did was forecast that the knights of the Vale may be riding to aid Jon Snow, which would probably have been better as a surprise reveal later down the line imo.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:22 (eight years ago) link
No, we needed that scene to set up *why* he's suddenly reappearing in the north in the next episode
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link
thought it was an unusually neat, succinct and exposition-free reminder of how/why p.bae can mobilize the vale. it has been a season's worth of episodes since we were last there after all.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:29 (eight years ago) link
Yeah it's more important to establish that Littlefinger knows which way the wind is blowing than it is to show some dudes we don't know turning up as reinforcements.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link
well he set up the whole premise, didn't he? It isn't just that he knows which way the wind is blowing, he built the windmill, as it were.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
It's classic switching sides, isn't it? Unless he was playing a very long game marrying Sansa off to the Boltons. I can't really remember what his motivation was for that.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link
my recollection of the episode when he was at winterfell is that he got a glimpse of how much of a psycho ramsay actually is and was surprised, and i am sure that is the line he is giving sansa in their convo in the preview for next ep, but it fits much better with his character than he knew all along and that the plan was to drop sansa in the shit and then come and 'rescue' her/the north.
his stated motivation was to tie together the north and the vale, which would be a powerful bloc.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
xp - long game of course.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 16:57 (eight years ago) link
So I know this has been the subject of speculation for years, but it seems just as likely that Littlefinger (not Ramsey) sent Jon that letter to ensure that the Wildling army would assist him in an attack on Winterfell
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:21 (eight years ago) link
no not really
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
Matt DC otm, i've always been on board with this show but i'm preferring it now that everyone now has their sights set on either winterfell or king's landing again. the iron islands is doing its own thing right now but i suspect that's just to set up their move back to the center as well. hoping next episode jon snow stops in at a tavern in the north and finds benjen stark, gendry, blackfish, and the revived hound just hanging out sharing a pitcher of ale.
― nomar, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:36 (eight years ago) link
There wouldn't be any reason Ramsey wouldn't send that letter himself, therefore a twist like that would do nothing for the story.
xxp
― Evan, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link
xxxp Has that letter happened in the books then (to generate years of speculation)? As Jon's story in the books has got no further thannthe point he was stabbed by members of the Night Watch.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:00 (eight years ago) link
The letter was in the books prior to Jon getting waxed.
― pratt truss it (dan m), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:02 (eight years ago) link
xxp we are talking about someone who sent a dad his son's dick in the mail.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:03 (eight years ago) link
http://www.trademarkia.com/logo-images/hallmark-licensing/when-you-care-enough-to-send-the-very-best-86559697.jpg
― ulysses, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link
I don't understand why Gendry hasn't been in this fwiw - I'd be much more invested in his story than I am with half the characters here.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:49 (eight years ago) link
they haven't really done anything with him in the books either.
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:51 (eight years ago) link
i could see gendry as a character who we only see at the end of the saga as the dust has settled and someone else has taken the throne, with him as the sole living baratheon heir who's been convinced by a small band of believers that the throne is rightfully his and is starting to make his danys-like maneuvers to assemble an army to take the throne back. some circle of westeros life kinda shit.
― nomar, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link
^I like this
― schwantz, Wednesday, 18 May 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link
I didn't get why the Dothraki bowed so easily to Daenerys. Don't they dislike magic? Doesn't having powers like this basically make her a witch to them?
(I guess witches are supposed to burn, so maybe not)
― silverfish, Thursday, 19 May 2016 13:37 (eight years ago) link
good ep though.
Maybe it's just lowered expectations, but so far I'm enjoying this season a lot more than I enjoyed last season. Stuff is actually happening, even if not all of it makes sense.
― silverfish, Thursday, 19 May 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link
would be a good thread title
― ulysses, Thursday, 19 May 2016 13:45 (eight years ago) link
sums up my feelings about it, p much
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 19 May 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link
https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13227037_10154201737534712_936022238931243333_n.jpg?oh=6abaf6308e57b297ba9cbd9f97cb1e4b&oe=57D60D72
― schwantz, Thursday, 19 May 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link
i am SO OVER memes but that's good'un. i lol'd.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 20 May 2016 00:26 (eight years ago) link
Game of the Wire
― Vinnie, Friday, 20 May 2016 03:46 (eight years ago) link
you want it to be one king but its another king
― 龜, Friday, 20 May 2016 03:47 (eight years ago) link
lol
― Clay, Friday, 20 May 2016 03:48 (eight years ago) link
with the hilarious opening shot of two members of the new kingsguard buying a staplegun from an earnest tradesman
― sarahell, Friday, 20 May 2016 05:39 (eight years ago) link
xpost It's easy to dislike magic, it's another thing to watch this pale little woman go all firestarter, kill every Khal and walk out nekkid engulfed in flames, I guess.
I think I read that in the books or in interviews Martin made a point of stressing that the dragon-people are not fireproof, and that her birthing the baby dragons was a one off miracle. Which sounds kind of dumb compared to, yeah, fireproof. It seems all the people of this world have their distinct powers. Starks can warg,. Dragon-people are fireproof (except her brother). Boltons flay. Iron born are grouchy. Dothraki like horses. Lannister are rich and incestuous.
Liked how this episode has continued the recent tradition of contemporary-sounding zingers and comedic timing.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 May 2016 14:46 (eight years ago) link
i would've paid five dollars american directly to GRRM by paypal if she had walked out proudly from the burning tent and caught a spear to the midsection. the dany storyline is the worst of the bunch and lately that's saying something.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 15:38 (eight years ago) link
What are the odds that next Dani finds a way to cure the Stone Men and add them to her army
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 20 May 2016 15:53 (eight years ago) link
I'm looking forward to where her storyline goes next only because of the hypothetical sense that having a Dothraki army suddenly implies a big shake up and momentum again, finally. Hopefully.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 15:54 (eight years ago) link
Some of the specifics have been botched pretty badly but I have always been a fan of Dany in general, and it makes me a bit sad when people aren't.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 20 May 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link
I'm not sure the Stone Men are portrayed as anything but mindless zombies, so that seems unlikely.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 15:56 (eight years ago) link
xp out of curiosity, what do you like about her and her whole shaggy dog storyline? the character has had zero development for about five years.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 15:57 (eight years ago) link
I know it's been going round in circles for a bit now, but when her story is on point (such as in most of season/book 3) it's the most exhilarating and mythic section of the series. I have no idea why you would say she hasn't developed, although the majority of that development happened in the first three seasons, granted.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 20 May 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link
Dany's storyline promises big developments, so you watch it in anticipation of her gaining more momentum. When she's stuck in one place for too long it's extra excruciating.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:00 (eight years ago) link
i feel like her "development" stopped right around the time she walked out of the funeral pyre and she has been the arisen imperial one true queen full of haughty impervious attitude ever since.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:04 (eight years ago) link
eh iirc there was a period when the dragons were still pups and she didn't quite believe her own hype and she'd say "I am the mother of DRAGONS" like she was trying to convince herself and more powerful people thought it was cute.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 20 May 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
Her transition in the books is a wee bit more nuanced and gradual, so maybe I'm projecting that onto the TV version, I dunno. And I agree that her story's been stalled for the last two seasons, and I don't think Clarke is a particularly good actor. Despite all that im still very fond of the characters and am rooting for her.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 20 May 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link
Where her character development might not be evolving much anymore, hopefully her storyline does the heavy lifting by finally moving her forward (on the map) again.
― Evan, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
i did not read the books so will certainly defer to the likely possibility that she's more engaging there. i find Clarke to be the weakest actor on the show and the symbolism of the great white emancipator to be one of the greatest missteps in the mythology.
― ulysses, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
Dany's storyline keeps veering between reality of foreign occupation and Neocon fantasies of killing badguy leaders and people falling to knees in awe.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Friday, 20 May 2016 16:18 (eight years ago) link
the symbolism of the great white emancipator to be one of the greatest missteps in the mythology.
it's totally problematic, yes, and is kinda shown that way. That's what makes it interesting to me, moreso than some of the more standard medieval fantasy storylines, and especially ... Dorne.
― sarahell, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:33 (eight years ago) link
a deposed noblewoman in a foreign country going quasi-native and turning herself into a liberation/cult figure is a cool-ass idea but none of the people writing this shit are smart enough to make it interesting!!
― goole, Friday, 20 May 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link