All this debate is actually getting me more excited for the finale.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:53 (seven years ago) link
And unlike Stannis, who ALSO saved Jon from getting a good old-fashioned ass-whuppin', LF isn't about to charge off and get himself killed.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:54 (seven years ago) link
Littlefinger does not command the armies of the Vale. Robin Arryn does.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:56 (seven years ago) link
He's the puppet master. What's the difference?
― Evan, Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:57 (seven years ago) link
well, the only difference is that robin could do something rash that foils lf's plan
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 23 June 2016 18:58 (seven years ago) link
Sure, but as far as things are going at the moment, I'm not sure what point Fred is getting at.
― Evan, Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
That the Vale army has no loyalty to Littlefinger. He can't just use it whatever way he likes.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
Oh, however will he find a way to manipulate the powerful 12-year-old Lord of the Vale into getting what he wants?
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
As far as criticisms coming from folk who wouldn't pass highschool English goes, I have a degree in English and my criticism is strwightforward: sansa's actions do not match her characters motivation, which is in contradiction to everything about the show (which is about motives, aims, ambitions to some extent). If people want to say she 'just didn't' that's fine, if they want to say she didn't to help the show dramatically, that's fine. Bu if they want to claim that it matches her motivations they need to explain why.
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:09 (seven years ago) link
He's the puppet master. What's the difference?― Evan, Friday, 24 June 2016 02:57 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Evan, Friday, 24 June 2016 02:57 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2otVBGcG1kw
― Camaraderie at Arms Length, Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:10 (seven years ago) link
xp -- that post wasn't directed at your posts.
― Say Something *NEW* about Rickon Stark (sarahell), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
How did they know he would materialize correctly and suddenly take control of the entire song and dance? Too convenient.
― Evan, Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:15 (seven years ago) link
xp to dowd.
Manipulate Robin Arryn against his cousin Sansa Stark, who he also has a giant crush on? If that's Littlefingers plan, it's a horrible one.
Also, the books are actually translated to Danish, guys, and there's subtitles to the show. No need to pass an English high school course. It's a pretty ridiculous point to make. It's even more insane with this show, which is based on European history... I studied feudalism in high school, did you?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:17 (seven years ago) link
so wait, the heir to the iron throne, jon stark-targaryen, is going to marry his first cousin, sansa arryn-stark-lannister-bolton, the queen of the north, in time to defend westeros from his other first cousin (aunt?), danaerys targaryen-targaryen, and her dothraki and greyjoy sidekicks . . . and cousin/wife's ex-husband, tyrion? am i getting that right?
― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:19 (seven years ago) link
Oh, sorry, sarahell. Maybe overly defensive (about what? a minor plot point in a tv show!? Beats arguingabout the referendum, I guess).
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:20 (seven years ago) link
I thought LF's plan was to either marry Sansa or hand her head over to Cersei? Both plans would get him the north.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:23 (seven years ago) link
sansa's actions do not match her characters motivation, which is in contradiction to everything about the show
I agree they haven't done an entirely convincing job with this but they have been setting up Sansa's distrust of Jon in nearly every scene they share this season. She has clearly been transformed by her experiences and rightly sees Jon as a Ned Stark Jr. who will stick to the old ways and get himself and everyone else killed. Her motivation was to be the one who defeated Ramsey and killed him. Jon was her tool for that job, but she needed a back-up.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link
But even if she distrusts him, for this battle their interests are identical, I think. It's not to her benefit for Jon to lose here.
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:47 (seven years ago) link
her interest is in Jon not fucking things up by rejecting LF's help for reasons of honor.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Anyway, giving up here. I'm still really enjoying the show and I hope it continues. Could do with more odd couple adventuring.
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Thursday, 23 June 2016 19:50 (seven years ago) link
Frederik B - do you read the books in Danish and use the subtitles?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
Can dowd and frederik read the gizmodo piece one more time plz before repeating their bad opinions thnx
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:18 (seven years ago) link
Lol, the gizmodo piece is crap.
RAG, I mostly use subtitles, have read most of the book series in English. But are you fucking kidding me? Are you suggesting I can't discuss a show in English because I'm a foreigner?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:24 (seven years ago) link
have you guys figured out if this show is any good or not yet
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:40 (seven years ago) link
we figured out it was for nerds
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:48 (seven years ago) link
I think the verdict is the show was good until Littlefinger's army came from the wrong direction. That was its shark jump.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:49 (seven years ago) link
who knew Sean Bean could play a shark so convincingly
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:51 (seven years ago) link
There's just no plausible explanation worth listening to! However, there are many plausible explanations.
― Evan, Thursday, 23 June 2016 20:52 (seven years ago) link
mine are always the best but I get there too soon and then my excellent ideas get buried in the now showing X of N messages bar
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:08 (seven years ago) link
lf would never do such a thing.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:14 (seven years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:24 I'd never do that. I'm not making plot arguments (I haven't discussed Sansa's choice), I wasn't questioning your ability to comprehend, I was just curious since you do a lot of reading and watching of things I'd presume are only available in English. I was just surprised that you might read it in Danish.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:21 (seven years ago) link
Just imo, you can't discuss the show bc you're a foreigner
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 23 June 2016 21:28 (seven years ago) link
I heard the books are best read in their original English, then translated to Danish, then back to English. That's what they're basing the teleplays on.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 June 2016 03:07 (seven years ago) link
Nitpick champion right here: http://imgur.com/a/1iOMi
― Evan, Sunday, 26 June 2016 23:20 (seven years ago) link
holy shit
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 26 June 2016 23:41 (seven years ago) link
was late medieval times a Shame or Guilt culture? we're not sure but the Byzantines knew how to armor up horses better than this
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 26 June 2016 23:42 (seven years ago) link
"These guys didnt have shields, thats a major mistake" gee thanks guy.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 27 June 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link
I'm gonna go ahead and list my finale predictions here
1. cersei sets off the wildfire under kings landing after her trial, just in time for jaime to see it returning home from rivverrun (ie he killed his king to avoid this, only to have his sister do it 20 years later)
2. varys shows up in dorne
3. littlefinger is creepy but then sansa threatens to kill littlefinger since technically dumb jon arryn is ruler of the vale and she can have his allegiance with or without baelish
4. the brotherhood without banners, plus hound, run into brienne and podrick and they all agree to head north together and not kill each other
5. tommen dies and margaery escapes kings landing, somehow
6. sam and gilly get to the citadel
7. daenarys & co. get on some ships finally
8. davos says some cold shit to melisandre
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 June 2016 00:45 (seven years ago) link
cosign
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 27 June 2016 00:54 (seven years ago) link
Totally not sure of my confidence level in the Tower of Joy greenseer revelation with Bran though. That seems like something they'll save for next season, to me. So I guess:
9. Bran does not greensee Jon's provenance at the Tower of Joy
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 June 2016 00:57 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I have a sneaking feeling bran may not appear in this last ep at all.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 27 June 2016 00:59 (seven years ago) link
wasn't he in the preview?
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 27 June 2016 01:01 (seven years ago) link
oh shit this is 90min long
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 27 June 2016 01:04 (seven years ago) link
i'm down for a full 90 minutes Dorne episode that makes sure we never have to go back there again
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 27 June 2016 01:07 (seven years ago) link
Whup, I better duck out of this thread til tomorrow. Cya on the flip.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 27 June 2016 01:23 (seven years ago) link
FUCK YEAH
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 June 2016 01:58 (seven years ago) link
literally just cheered in my living room
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 27 June 2016 02:04 (seven years ago) link
Dope
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 27 June 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
1 - yup2 - yup3 - kinda4 - not even, not at all5 - half6 - easy pickins, frankly7 - see 68 - yes indeed9 - oh whatever
― El Tomboto, Monday, 27 June 2016 02:17 (seven years ago) link