There's all sorts of fantasy. Ice & Fire is a fairly traditional approach but unusual perhaps for a bestseller.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:28 (seven years ago) link
the show is basically political
sorry I was away for a bit but ... no. It's true politics is about power, but that's not ALL it is; it's about systems, ideologies, policies, institutions, social organization, methods of control. And this show is very much *not* interested in those things. At best they're tangentially addressed, at worst they're entirely ignored or glossed over. It's a power struggle, yes, but that doesn't make it political any more than two apes fighting for alpha male status is political.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:36 (seven years ago) link
many xposts
would argue the show is hardcore fantasy with sprinkle of medieval political intrigue for flavor and not vice versa.
^^^much more accurate (I assume "hardcore" indicates murderboobs)
ur wrong it is about those things!
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:37 (seven years ago) link
it's about systems, ideologies, policies, institutions, social organization, methods of control. And this show is very much *not* interested in those things.
you suck at watching tv
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
also u can def have politics w/o yr dumbass laundry list, ever heard of office politics smart guy, but anyway thats just an aside GOT is def ripe institutions and ideologies and so forth
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:39 (seven years ago) link
tbf he hasn't watched this show much
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Monday, 27 June 2016 22:40 (seven years ago) link
GOT is def ripe institutions and ideologies and so forth
lol Daenerys is the only character with an ideology, the rest are all guided by clan-allegiance and or personal drive to power
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:43 (seven years ago) link
ever heard of the character ned stark portrayed by the actor sean bean i think youll find if u check him out that hes pretty ideological
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:45 (seven years ago) link
idk maybe try watching the show first before you make wildly embarrassing posts itt u r just making everyone feel very terrible for you
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:46 (seven years ago) link
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-42314-Targaryen-sigil-meme-Game-of-T-VY0O.jpeg
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:47 (seven years ago) link
u r just making everyone feel very terrible for towards you
6 seasons in and no indications about how even the most basic institutions actually function - we've had a few scenes about the bank (mostly just to establish the Lannisters are in debt), a handful of scenes about the maesters (they have books! crazy), a "church" abruptly shoehorned in to provide a conflict for Cersei. Really the institution we know the most about is the Night's Watch. This show is hardly the Wire.
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link
[temples fingers] perfect
― lag∞n, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:49 (seven years ago) link
is there a way to hide individual topics on sna
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 27 June 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
http://theblacksheeponline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/bulshit.jpg
― nomar, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:53 (seven years ago) link
I don't intend for all this to sound mean, I like Οὖτις quite a bunch (apart from this thread and when he says RDJ is particularly notable as Iron Man and George Clooney would be an ideal Dr Strange) but I've built up these images and scenes of him turning all weird when he gets onto the topic of Game Of Thrones, inspired by his comments on it. I'll feel silly (or sillier) if I've posted about this before.
Οὖτις sits in the living room with a bunch of people, the television announces Game Of Thrones is coming on, everyone but Οὖτις leaves in a hurry as he grimly mutters "murderboobs" with a darkening expression. He watches with a wide eyed disgusted sneer that occasionally has a hint of a fascinated leering smile as he chants "murderboobs murderboobs MURDERBOOBS!" louder and louder as the show goes on. The neighbours whimper in their beds and say to each other "Its happening again! Please talk to him, I'm too frightened to... although he usually seems so nice". Οὖτις goes to bed after the show. He sleeps a few hours and then suddenly wakes with a terrifying livid grimace saying "murderboobs!" He turns on the television to see the Spartacus series. Back to chanting "murderboobs murderboobs MURDERBOOBS!" with a judgemental glare that doesn't hide his sadistic fascination.
Next week he passes a building holding a tournament of the latest Mortal Kombat game, he gets that look again, goes in, watches the game and chants "murderboobs!" until he frightens away all the players, audience and organisers.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:56 (seven years ago) link
lol nice slashfic
― Οὖτις, Monday, 27 June 2016 22:58 (seven years ago) link
xxp i don't think so - would kinda undo the agency she's finally developed to fall back into littlefinger's thrall
― if young slothrop don't trust ya i'm gon' rhyme ya (slothroprhymes), Monday, June 27, 2016 4:54 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbh i didn't think jho was right about this either BUT now I think it might make sense as a twist—my thought is we are v much expected to think she is loyal to jon & her betraying him to littlefinger could be one of those classic GoT twists...also i think her turning to littlefinger could very MUCH be about her agency, she chooses the person who she sees as more apt to survive in a world where she's seen so many Good People die for believing in good things, incl members of her family
but idk, i still lean towards thinking she's not trying to betray jon
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 27 June 2016 23:26 (seven years ago) link
i could see a situation where they have a fundamental disagreement rather than a betrayal. like jon is focused on the north and the wall, while sansa thinks they should attack king's landing (maybe bc they now have more numbers and presumably the lannister army is a shell of its former self) as part of an admittedly justifiable revenge move. maybe littlefinger convinces her this is the right play bc of this horde coming in from across the sea, and she heads south. which will bring together a kind of interesting conflict on three fronts in king's landing, while jon snow deals with preparing for the war vs the night king. sansa might do this bc she feels like there's time to take king's landing easily and then return north to do battle w/the white walkers. idk. there are a lot of ways the jon and sansa thing can go, i don't think an outright betrayal would be one of them necessarily.
― nomar, Monday, 27 June 2016 23:39 (seven years ago) link
They way they framed it seemed more like, she's afraid of how Peter "sitting in the corner looking salty making plots" Baelish might sabotage Jon if he doesn't get what he wants and feels inclined to follow him on that account.
― tsrobodo, Monday, 27 June 2016 23:51 (seven years ago) link
Just reading up thread to catch up, I'm lolling away to myself that anyone would be confused at how varys got to that ship "so fast". Um, time passed, guys. He went to Dorne, and in the meantime, Jon gathered the houses in the north (or did everyone think they all teleported to winterfell, as well? lol), and then SOME TIME PASSED when we saw all the ships sailing off to battle.
As my partner said "what did they want, a spinning fucking clock to make it obvious?"
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:21 (seven years ago) link
There should be a clock, like on 24. For drama.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:24 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Monday, June 27, 2016 5:49 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― goole, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:31 (seven years ago) link
Jon's as passionately honourable as Ned was, Sans a may remember how well that worked out.
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:46 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I mean, destroying the main religious monument of the continent (is it?) surely would have ripple effects across the continent and hit the masses pretty hard. it's the kind of detail, or even choices Martin and the producers are making that I somewhat dislike: if they were to focus less on yet house drama and more on the havoc the houses are unleashing selfishly on the populations, then the whole story would have been more poignant to me, perhaps. However that's a personal inclinaison that I'm not going to force on everyone and I can get behind with the directions they are going eg. setting up for epic stuff throughout an entire season.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:49 (seven years ago) link
yeah after six seasons, i still dont' understand their basic infrastructure; who picks up the garbage? who do they call to do the plumbing? are the grocery workers unionized?
― akm, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:58 (seven years ago) link
fun episode. good music.
kinda confused about the "portentous dramas" thread subplot but i'm guessing it's not about some premonitory element of the plot and more about misspelling pretentious?
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 01:59 (seven years ago) link
to be fair you get more of a sense of the everyday world in the books
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 02:35 (seven years ago) link
o man, i'm gonna watch it. last one, so excite.
― oculus lump (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 02:49 (seven years ago) link
It's just about the drama often seeming to be aiming at seeming portentous tbh, word has other meanings
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 02:59 (seven years ago) link
Actually I guess it doesn't rly, I've never seen "portentous" used in a way that wasn't at least a little ironic.
― albvivertine, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:05 (seven years ago) link
i guess - like gloomy, foreboding, etc i just don't get why that's a bad thing
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:06 (seven years ago) link
Who would have thought the maesters library had so many books. Seemed like an awful lot for a society where only high nobolity knows how to read and write. Seems like they just wanted to go for some kind of star wars galacitc senate jedi library big grand shot. But too many books.
― 龜, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:32 (seven years ago) link
my immediate thought was probably a lot of census records and grain requisition receipts but I bet there are some cool books in there too
― Mordy, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:34 (seven years ago) link
― 龜, Tuesday, June 28, 2016 3:32 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSwBEq1zz4k
― Rob Boss (latebloomer), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:35 (seven years ago) link
The library looked like the one from Dark Souls!
― Dan I., Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:55 (seven years ago) link
Wait ,has it been established that only nobility know how to read?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 03:59 (seven years ago) link
lol, arya's all, "try the cock. it's the best part."
― oculus lump (contenderizer), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 04:16 (seven years ago) link
Anyone spot this?
https://media.giphy.com/media/xT8qAX6tTFxQptAOha/giphy.gif
― groovypanda, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 10:44 (seven years ago) link
a "church" abruptly shoehorned in
LOL shoehorned in it was in the first fucking episode and like every single episode ever. Not that it's been a primary source of tension or drama (at least not like in the books), but the contrast between the Old Gods and the New Gods, between the godswoods/godtrees and the Church of the Seven, has been present since day one.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 12:28 (seven years ago) link
NOT TO MENTION THE LORD OF LIGHT WHICH IS PRETTY GODDAMNED IDEOLOGICAL
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 12:29 (seven years ago) link
what am i looking at in that gif
― 龜, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 12:46 (seven years ago) link
Sean Bean is waving
― Evan, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 12:53 (seven years ago) link
Kristofer Hivju is one of the Hotel aliases that Sean Bean uses
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 12:53 (seven years ago) link
It seemed at the start (of the book/TV series) that the religions managed in piece; the north talked to trees, the South had the Seven, and it was mostly okay with the spheres of influence that had been carved out. But the ideological implications of those beliefs have been unfolding and conflicting all the time (I.e only one of them relies on a priesthood). It's not central to the plot, but it's certaiy not ephemera.
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 12:59 (seven years ago) link
(Not to mention trial by combat which has been a major plot point)
― inside, skeletons are always inside, that's obvious. (dowd), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 13:00 (seven years ago) link
still don't get what's in that gif?
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 13:29 (seven years ago) link
tho doesn't take a genius to know who "john bradley" is.