Cosign on giving up Malazan in the first volume, it was like reading an RPG sourcebook on amphetamines.
― chap, Sunday, 3 September 2017 11:38 (six years ago) link
iirc malazan did in fact start off as an RPG and he converted to novel form. and yes it's bad.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
Yeah he seemed to have literally no grasp of pacing.
― chap, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
cosign -- https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2017/9/5/16256210/binge-mode-fantasy-game-of-thrones
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
hah that conception speech almost made his cohost cry iirc.. I think she actually did cry a little bit later talking about something else
some of these got podcasts are fucking intense
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
Great piece, and an intense podcast! TBF, Mal would cry every time she talked about one of the dire wolves, so she's a softie...
― DJI, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
p cool sentiment though, i def agree
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
yeah they were losing it at the end. love concepcion's speech
― I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link
Kind of blows my mind that as much as "Game of Thrones" is positioned as a phenomenon - and maybe it is? - its record breaking season finale was still more or less on par in terms of viewers with the 14th season finale of "NCIS."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
NCIS = free network TV, Got = HBO? i wonder too if nielsen and whoever can accurately capture all the purloined / pirate viewings
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
Well, then you'd have to factor in all the millions upon millions of old people torrenting NCIS, too, and it'd be no contest.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
It is interesting stuff, these numbers and what they mean. I just looked it up, and the series finale of "Breaking Bad" got around 10 million viewers on basic cable (right?), which is a few million under GoT's most recent season finale (on pay cable), not including downloading. Does GoT seem any more a pop culture phenomenon than BB? They seem about on par to me.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
i'd bet there are a lot more GoT viewing parties than there are for BB. it's more of a social event, like a football game, compared to like golf or tennis? ime at least there are way more people on average gathered together chilling and drinking etc for a GoT episode than BB, which is way more solitary
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Culture writers talk about how much traffic even the worst GoT writeup gets. The torrenting numbers are insane. Yeah, it's a pop culture phenomenon, and on a premium cable network. More people are definitely watching NCIS, but they're older, and don't spend much time and money on it, so there's really not any incentive to try and do something with it.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
I thought the worldwide audience for this would be many times bigger than NCIS
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
Oh, it's got to be, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link
Though maybe not!
http://www.tvguide.com/news/most-watched-show-in-world-ncis/
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:44 (six years ago) link
This may be a bit of a surprise to those of us couch-locked for Game of Thrones rewatches, Better Call Saul marathons and Pretty Little Liars binges, but there's a whole rest of the world out there, and it has the TV bug too.So what's the most-watched television series in the whole world? The Monte-Carlo Television Festival and number crunchers Eurodata TV Worldwide think they know.The two organizations handed out the International Television Audience Award, which recognizes the television show that has the highest viewership in the world, and for the third time in four years the honor went to CBS' NCIS. According to CBS, over 47 million viewers worldwide watched NCIS in 2016.
So what's the most-watched television series in the whole world? The Monte-Carlo Television Festival and number crunchers Eurodata TV Worldwide think they know.
The two organizations handed out the International Television Audience Award, which recognizes the television show that has the highest viewership in the world, and for the third time in four years the honor went to CBS' NCIS. According to CBS, over 47 million viewers worldwide watched NCIS in 2016.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:45 (six years ago) link
I bet it's just people leaving the tv on after they've fallen asleep.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:53 (six years ago) link
Game of Thrones is much bigger than Breaking Bad isn't it?
I mean, by the end, BB was pretty well known but GoT seems to be on another level. My Mum has heard of it for one thing and it's watched by people in work who usually only watch the likes of Celebrity Big Brother and Love Island.
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
yeah it is easily the biggest of all these serials as far as i can tell.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
Breaking Bad started very small and by the end finally became a thing, albeit on a small scale. GoT started pretty big and has been getting bigger each year, too:
http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/596b7dbf552be5c2088b4bdd-1200/game-of-thrones-charts-live-same-day.png
But a big difference is that GoT isn't terribly ... cool? That's the only reason I can explain (anecdotally) seeing Breaking Bad related t-shirts and merch and stuff around but nothing GoT related (yet).
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
it should be noted that appearing on t-shirts and merch and stuff is what makes something officially uncool
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:25 (six years ago) link
Eat my shorts, man.
― President Keyes, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
since everything sucks, i would imagine that soon after GoT ends we'll hear about the upcoming star wars/marvel/disney style expansion of the series with many many spinoffs, movies, tv shows, cartoons, and pornos. basically just pick a random spot on this map that you nothing about and set it 600 years before the events of GoT and you have a television series that will be profitable
http://www.sermountaingoat.co.uk/map/index.php
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
i don't know where in the world you'd be seeing BB shirts and merch and not GoT, the latter is everywhere.
― nomar, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
i can see a "superhero" film, maybe one of those "Thor" movies, in which you'll see an "easter egg" for GoT fans. a white walker or a dragon hanging out in the background of a scene.
― nomar, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:29 (six years ago) link
that continent at the bottom right with all the trees? that's in northern canada. in 2026 there will be a short-lived FX cop procedural set it Toronto involving some of the descendents of iron islands
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:30 (six years ago) link
I still see lots of Los Pollos Hermanos and Heisenberg shirts and stickers and stuff like that. I'll keep an eye out for GoT stuff.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:31 (six years ago) link
Only people I see wearing GoT stuff are basic tourists in times square. Only people I see where BB stuff are basic teenagers and 20-somethings everywhere, and cars with heisenberg bumper stickers. Def more BB merch where I find myself.
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
What's not to love
https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2015/04/sorry-ladies-im-in-the-nights-watch-t-shirt.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&strip=all
― groovypanda, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:44 (six years ago) link
The map is so unimaginative. He wrote a story about people that are north and south of each other, so it's just this pillar that caters to that exact relationship. Then when he thinks about Dany's journey from across the see and way out east... let's see here's some water separating the two (check) and here's a big long log shaped landmass that extends to the east (check). Perfect!
― Evan, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:54 (six years ago) link
sea* wtf autocorrect?
― Evan, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:55 (six years ago) link
― nomar, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 2:27 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
come on down to albuquerque, bud, there's BB stuff everywhere
― gbx, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:57 (six years ago) link
Well, yeah. But isn't that also where GRRM has his inter-dimensional amusement park? Or is that Santa Fe?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:03 (six years ago) link
I see way more GoT throne t-shirts than Breaking Bad t-shirts. It's not even close.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:13 (six years ago) link
Where do you live?
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:29 (six years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 3:03 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
if you're talking about Meow Wolf, and the House of Eternal Return, yeah, that's Santa Fe. he's also got his own movie theater up there (which is really good!)
― gbx, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:40 (six years ago) link
The map is so unimaginative. He wrote a story about people that are north and south of each other, so it's just this pillar that caters to that exact relationship.
It's way worse than that. Westeros is basically just a mirrored version of Britain.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link
what...what formation of landmasses and sea would be sufficiently imaginative?
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
I live in montreal xxxp
Maybe Breaking Bad just didn't have the same impact here as it did in the states, I dunno. Game of Thrones is about as popular as I've ever seen any television show get.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:55 (six years ago) link
http://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-06/26/2/enhanced/webdr09/enhanced-buzz-9475-1403765364-27.jpg
― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
I always thought fictional geography and especially place names is one of the things that Game of Thrones particularly excels at.
― silverfish, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link
may i present a conceptual map of nu-westeroshttps://i.imgur.com/z6tZkZK.jpg
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:09 (six years ago) link
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, September 6, 2017 4:53 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
It's a big wonky L shape that to me doesn't feel like anything but conveniently supplementary to the characters and their dichotomy. Too easy to draw in excel! There's plenty of more organic map shapes from other fantasy stories or games etc. GoT one just seems lazy to me. I'm a dork about maps and settings.
― Evan, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
Beautiful KM! Looking forward to the story about the 7 unique characters that are all journeying to Centeros to claim the throne!
― Evan, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:15 (six years ago) link
but first, they must gather resources, build up their populations, and unlock the outer branches of the technology tree
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
are there inns along the way where they can restore their health?
― cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:20 (six years ago) link
The GoT world map kind of reminds of medieval-era world maps where some places are pretty detailed while other more far away places are a combination of approximations and guesswork which results in big blocky continents. Something like this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4d/Martellus_world_map.jpg/640px-Martellus_world_map.jpg
― silverfish, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:24 (six years ago) link
clear out some dothraki encampments for a little extra coin to speed rush those granaries
― Mordy, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link