Lost needed fan theories, because the vast majority of the show made little to no sense. GoT generated fan theories because fans thought their ideas were better.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link
To be fair to the fans, they were.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link
Like, was it here or elsewhere, or both, that someone suggested what a clever fake out it would have been had the white walkers skipped Winterfell entirely and gone straight to King's Landing, only for the good guys to discover a zombified city? That would have been pretty cool, and would have set up a better final battle that finally paid off literally years of building up the ice zombies as the greatest threat in the history of mankind.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link
We talked about it. I was a big believer that it would be the case, it was called "The Night King Is Not Stupid" theory
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:35 (five years ago) link
Yeah. But it was way too optimistic. When the writers are stupid, all the characters are stupid.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
screen time spend building up Dany's quest for Iron Throne vs. time spent building up zombie invasion pretty lopsided though
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:36 (five years ago) link
I definitely do like the "Bran is evil" theory, but maybe not-so-much "evil" as he foresaw that Thanos needed to snap and time travel needed to be invented and the stones needed to be stolen from the past so that everybody could be saved in the future
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:37 (five years ago) link
idk maybe the Night King didn't have a map or any newspapers or history books or ability to send out spies or....
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
Bran is basically Doctor Strange with no powers.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
Which is to say that I guess a parallel could be drawn between Strange giving the Chaos Emerald to Josh Brolin and Bran giving the secret dossier to Jon Snow
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link
Dr. Branhattan
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:39 (five years ago) link
I for one can't wait for a new round of Kingdom Hearts where we've got Cloud Strife and Arya Stark and Black Widow and Captain Picard and LEGO Batman all going toe-to-toe against Saruman, Darth Maul and John Wick
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:41 (five years ago) link
Would have liked to see Night King 1000 year empire destroyed by walker Sam’s referendum proposing representative walker democracy which it turns out does enfranchise dogs and goats etc...
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:45 (five years ago) link
can bran see the future, or just the past
― gbx, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link
I think I read that he can see the past but only some of the future? Doesn't really matter if he doesn't tell anyone anything.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:03 (five years ago) link
"I can see the future!"
"OK, who wins the World Series?"
"I know, but I cannot tell."
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:04 (five years ago) link
GoT is different than Lost in that there were many fan theories
To me the critical difference is that somewhere in season 2 of Lost it became apparent that they were just pulling more and more random mysteries out of their ass and it would never resolve satisfactorily, so I quit watching. Thrones gave the opposite impression.
― mick signals, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:39 (five years ago) link
It's just that with some of these proposed "better" endings I'm seeing, they are so bad that I can't tell if people are being serious
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:42 (five years ago) link
The mysteries/machinations in GoT were compelling, imo. If Lost suffered from an inability to reach resolution, GoT suffered from an apparent disinterest in it.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 15:59 (five years ago) link
Tbf to Lost, it had a few 22-episode seasons to fill and no books to fall back on, not to mention cast members bailing left and right. GOT had (almost) every imaginable advantage
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:04 (five years ago) link
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:07 (five years ago) link
i just realized that daenerys never actually sat on the throne. she just touched the arm of it before receiving the kiss of death
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:25 (five years ago) link
1) There were multiple fan theories that would have been superior to the story that we saw.
2) Even if you wanted to tell the story we saw, the creators’ decision to waste massive amounts of time on inconsequential shit for three plus seasons, then rush to truncate the story in a haphazard fashion, is indefensible.
Just so it’s clear above, I am not advocating for a longer show (dear god, no), just cutting out massive wastes of time, like Tyrion and Jorah jerking off in the gladiator pits, endless quagmire of Mereen, etc.
Now that I think about it, eliminating Dany from the show would be a vast improvement, lol.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:32 (five years ago) link
I've often thought Dany could have disappeared from s1 until Tyrion goes to find her and you'd lose nothing
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:34 (five years ago) link
*the end of s1
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:39 (five years ago) link
Enh, you could elucidate all that with Grey Worm, Missandei and some well-written dialogue.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:40 (five years ago) link
Definitely preferable to the repetitive slog we got.
Eliminate all the characters except Ned and have the last 7 seasons be a shot of his severed head as it decays
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:44 (five years ago) link
Now we're getting somewhere.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:47 (five years ago) link
a lot of budding screenwriters out there!
i do think there's an inherent danger in letting showrunners co-direct the final episode. it's hard enough to tell D&D that something is dumb, probably even harder when they're the co-directors. the whole auteur thing seems to work best when the auteur is really good
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:48 (five years ago) link
Well yeah, but for better or worse, the writers tried to tell a story of how the thirst for power can lead even the most well-meaning people to commit atrocious acts. And clearly the idea was to make Dany into a viewpoint character, someone whose journey and hardships and victories the viewers could identify, so that her eventual decline into despotism would hit them hard and emphasise their chosen theme. It's arguable whether they succeeded in doing what they set to do, but it certainly wouldn't have worked at all if Dany wasn't one of the main characters.(xxxxpost)
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
I've often thought Dany could have disappeared from s1 until Tyrion goes to find her and you'd lose nothingI too also think this show should have had fewer female lead characters with any agency.
― gyac, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:07 (five years ago) link
hahahah!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:17 (five years ago) link
enh, repeating the same savior arc for four seasons is a boring use of agency
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:23 (five years ago) link
― nathom, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:06 (five years ago) link
Actor Isaac Hempstead-Wright, who plays Bran in the show, admitted that the scope of his character's premonitions are limited. "As I understand it, Bran can’t exactly see the future. I think he can have inklings," he told the New York Times in an interview about Season 8. For example, when he gave Arya the Valyrian steel catspaw dagger last season, he knew she'd use it for something important, but not that she'd specifically kill the Night King with it, the actor explained.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link
Yeah it's like when Young Ned could almost hear Bran. Maybe future Bran yells at past Bran knowing he'll get just enough of the gist.In conclusion my spinoff idea is called The Lawnmower Bran
― nashwan, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link
I too also think this show should have had fewer female lead characters with any agency.
Not buying this. Cersei, Arya, Sansa, and Brienne were the best characters. You want to turn any number of male characters into female roles, I’m fine with that. Eliminating the white savior character with a single facial expression is no loss.
― Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:22 (five years ago) link
Why no love for Diana Rigg?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:33 (five years ago) link
best main charactersrigg was top 3 multi-season tertiaries tho
― nashwan, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:36 (five years ago) link
Zizek weighs in, because why not
The finale combines the rejection of a radical change with an old anti-feminist motif at work in Wagner. For Wagner, there is nothing more disgusting than a woman who intervenes in political life, driven by the desire for power. In contrast to male ambition, a woman wants power in order to promote her own narrow family interests or, even worse, her personal caprice, incapable as she is of perceiving the universal dimension of state politics. The same femininity which, within the close circle of family life, is the power of protective love, turns into obscene frenzy when displayed at the level of public and state affairs. Recall the lowest point in the dialogue of Game of Thrones when Daenerys tells Jon that if he cannot love her as a queen then fear should reign – the embarrassing, vulgar motif of a sexually unsatisfied woman who explodes into destructive fury.But – let’s bite our sour apple now – what about Daenerys’ murderous outbursts? Can the ruthless killing of the thousands of ordinary people in King’s Landing really be justified as a necessary step to universal freedom? At this point, we should remember that the scenario was written by two men.Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
But – let’s bite our sour apple now – what about Daenerys’ murderous outbursts? Can the ruthless killing of the thousands of ordinary people in King’s Landing really be justified as a necessary step to universal freedom? At this point, we should remember that the scenario was written by two men.
Daenerys as the Mad Queen is strictly a male fantasy, so the critics were right when they pointed out that her descent into madness was psychologically not justified. The view of Daenerys with mad-furious expression flying on a dragon and burning houses and people expresses patriarchal ideology with its fear of a strong political woman.
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/game-thrones-season-8-finale-bran-daenerys-cersei-jon-snow-zizek-revolution-a8923371.html
― Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:20 (five years ago) link
Like to give a shout out to Oleanna Tyrel aka the Queen of Thorns for being the most hilarious shit talker in the 7 kingdoms
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link
i don't know zizek, have you considered the pic forks posted above
http://i.imgur.com/z7iHD54.png
― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:26 (five years ago) link
haha
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:32 (five years ago) link
yeah, I imagine there are/will be more academic papers on GoT than there were on Buffy.
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:34 (five years ago) link
She didn't sit on the throne because it was a replica made of wax.
Surely someone has truthered the physics of whether dragon fire can melt iron.
I am still annoyed about Khal being able to melt gold jewelry using an ordinary campfire.
― mitt the hoopla (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:40 (five years ago) link
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, May 21, 2019
never been more glad I got out of the game when i did
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:51 (five years ago) link
xpost Maybe it was a magical campfire, have you considered that?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:12 (five years ago) link
Uhm I adore Zizek but to say her outbursts were not justified? I don't agree. (She was prone to outbursts. It was Tyrion who held her in check imo.)
― nathom, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:34 (five years ago) link