CIGARETTES VS weed

Come on now

This is like "dying slowly of dysentery vs blowjobs"

You can smoke a cigarette and keep your gubmint job

Cigarettes are easy to buy all over the world

Both dud, really.

I'm pretty paranoid at the best of times so I'm glad I managed to quit when I realised it was having a deleterious effect on my psyche, also making me more forgetful and I was putting on a lot of weight from all the crap I was eating. All the people I know who smoke lots of weed are just boring twats anyway.

Cigs aren't exactly helpful either but I've managed to cut down and only smoke in social situations. So I guess they "win" for me.

When people smoke weed outdoors it stinks up like a 30 foot radius in all directions. When people smoke cigarettes outdoors it just kinda stinks right next to them and not much further.

Where is the vape lobby to be all pompous in this thread

"I will charge your phone but I won't charge your vape"

Sophie's choice

cigarettes give me nausea
weed relieves nausea

hmm

cigarettes way more practical as a networking tool
weed ruined brangelina! http://www.vulture.com/2016/09/brad-pitts-battle-with-marijuana-a-history.html

Weed is fun in small doses. When I smoke/eat it once I imagine a life of languorous days in the woods with a hammock in a perpetual summer. What I end up doing is watching marathons of the Price is Right and eating ice cream bars in my underwear.

Cigarettes suck. I was one of those idiots who picked it up in his late 20s. It's like, "yeah, I really could stand to be more sickly."

cigarettes are hilarious. of course they seemed totally great and I had a ready list of why they were great when I smoked them but nine years since quitting it seems like the weirdest thing to have been spending money on every day. like...for what? the dumbest

i used to toke clove cigarettes. it's amazing i'm not already dead

smoked the hell out of those in high school like to the point of having ~opinions~ about specific brands, filtered vs. nonfiltered, etc. got a craving for them recently and learned there'd been legislation about them at some point

Cigarettes more pleasurable to smoke, but most pleasurable to smoke while high. Weed gets you high. Kind of an ouroboros tbh.

neither are as good as children in bars

how much does one tip the budtender at the legal weed store

As a smoker who quit in 1985, after a dozen years of a pack-a-day habit and a childhood of breathing secondhand smoke, I can state categorically that 1) I am ecstatic that I quit and I expect never to go back to smoking, and 2) non-smokers consistently and badly underestimate the pleasure and usefulness of nicotine and its frequent administration via the world's most popular nicotine-delivery-system (aka 'cigarettes'). Nicotine, used purely as a potent self-administered drug, has subtle and various effects that no other drug can match, even if its psycho-active effects are far from dramatic, like the effects of THC, shrooms or LSD.

It smoothes out rough moods, decreases anxiety, mellows you when you are hyper but allows you to stay awake when necessary, slackens appetite and lessens the need for food. It just has a myriad of small practical applications on a daily basis. It's a shame it also shortens your life by a decade at least, and slowly but surely robs you of breath, stamina and health, even if you avoid cancer or emphysema. not worth it over the long run, but for the first two decades it is like a little miracle drug.

Weed is OK, I guess. I never smoked much better than ditch weed and crappy hashish and it didn't really enhance my life in any memorable way. Even though I used for about five or six years, I have no truly valuable experience with it to draw upon for a sound judgment regarding its benefits or drawbacks.

I'm down to one cigarette a day -- not a stretch, for until 2013 I smoked twice a day -- but I'll be damned if I'll give it up.

weed makes me dissociate and feel paranoid.

aimless otm about cigarettes though. i made an executive decision in college not to pick it up as a regular habit, but from time to time they are very pleasurable, and i dig the alertness and mild euphoria. the smell has positive connotations for me too -- everyone in my extended family smoked when i was a kid and then gave it up at some point in the 90s. so cigarettes remind me of childhood.

i really have no desire to smoke a cigarette ever again

I learned a while ago to always pack some American Spirits whenever I travel - one pack for every couple of days I'll be on the road, because I always end up wanting to smoke after a full day of meetings and conference talks and all that jazz, plus everybody else does too and everyone bums off of whomever has a pack, and you all stay up way too late. And bumming off of others sucks, because they might only have some kind of Japanese Marlboro Ultra Lights equivalent and they're terrible.

I wish I could hit that kush being passed around, but I'd end up hiding in the closet or something

cigarettes are awful. every time i've taken a pull off a cigarette it feels physically painful in my lungs, i never understood how people can smoke them without their lungs hurting. do others feel this? i have asthma so i assumed it was bc of that. i've tried smoking cigarettes a bunch of times, even smoked them every day for a brief period in college, but even during that period i didn't inhale them bc it hurt too much. i guess i smoked bc it looks cool. i admit that it still does look cool sometimes, but not as a cool as a joint. at this point in my life i feel grateful that i never got addicted. most of my siblings either still smoke or have quit at some point.

i absolutely love weed, it is such a useful drug for me for all kinds of reasons, social interaction, stress relief, creativity, self-reflection, curiosity, thoughtfulness, appreciation of art, nature, food, music. it is the best. i took a break for a number of years in my twenties (mostly bc i didn't have a connect tbh) and started again a few years ago and i am very happy it is back in my life again.

non-smokers consistently and badly underestimate the pleasure and usefulness of nicotine and its frequent administration via the world's most popular nicotine-delivery-system (aka 'cigarettes'). Nicotine, used purely as a potent self-administered drug, has subtle and various effects that no other drug can match, even if its psycho-active effects are far from dramatic, like the effects of THC, shrooms or LSD.

It smoothes out rough moods, decreases anxiety, mellows you when you are hyper but allows you to stay awake when necessary, slackens appetite and lessens the need for food. It just has a myriad of small practical applications on a daily basis. It's a shame it also shortens your life by a decade at least, and slowly but surely robs you of breath, stamina and health, even if you avoid cancer or emphysema. not worth it over the long run, but for the first two decades it is like a little miracle drug.

that's interesting, good post. if i could get past my lungs hurting and the nausea that tobacco gives me i could easily see this being the case, i really love those subtle kinds of effects that low-key drugs give you (coffee obviously being one of them - i just watched an interview with moby and someone asks him what his favorite drug is and he says "the high that comes from a really really good cup of coffee" and i dig that

i think one of the worst experiences i've ever had w/ drugs is smoking a joint w/ tobacco & weed mixed. it was awful - the horrible nausea from cigarettes, paranoia from the weed which made me feel like just smoked the most toxic disgusting thing, the enhanced sensory awareness from weed so that the tobacco smoke smell just permeated everything. i think i had to take a shower to feel clean after that experience

btw paranoia from weed, while i don't always get it, is usually a positive thing for me as it manifests as a very motivating kind of anxiety which makes me tune in to all the possibly horrible shit im doing in my life and encourages me to make changes immediately

how much of the 'usefulness' of nicotine is a chicken/egg thing, though? like, maybe it relieves anxiety etc because you're addicted/craving etc

smoking tobacco is fun as is the buzz of nicotine but cigarettes have a bunch of weird shit in them and taste totally gross. you can smoke a joint in your small one bedroom apartment in the evening and the next day you can't smell it. you smoke a cigarette in same apartment and you will absolutely smell it. you're in a room with cigarette smoke at a party = you will need to wash your hair and probably your clothes in the morning, not so with weed

smoking cigarettes always makes my hangover worse. smelling cigarettes when I'm hangover is awful

cigarettes are way more expensive because you can smoke one joint and that's you for the evening, usually one cigarette is just the beginning

xxxp - addiction might be part of it, but it's a relatively mild stimulant so it's going to have some effects regardless of that angle, also one reason there seems to be some crossover between ADHD and nicotine.

I wish I could moderate on smoking - one a day or only when drinking, but even if I go with the latter I'll chain smoke an entire pack in three hours and feel like death for three days. Weed is fascinating, but I still don't do it nearly as much as I might like due to social acceptability (if I get a phone call that my store is on fire and show up after a few drinks no one will care, show up stoned and the authorities will care deeply) and because I always feel like I have to have every home and work project wrapped up first because I'm not a functional stoner, I pretty much just melt into a chair and watch Netflix.

I smoke weed a couple times a month but I'm losing my taste for it. These days it's to mitigate the effects of drinking.

Ain't no way I stop smoking my one cigarette though.

ive learned im actually way more functional when high than i thought, and that i'm not as glaringly or obviously high when i do smoke, my wife hasnt noticed sometimes when im super baked until i tell her

still though i don't smoke weed while the kids are awake and i don't smoke weed before work. i try to avoid smoking it before i see my parents too.

Brian Blomerth did a really cool comic called Understanding Nicotine about the positive/useful aspects of nicotine and different forms of administration.

http://www.brianblomerth.com/comics/nicsamplepage2.jpg

Most of my high school and college social circle were cigarette smokers but I never got the hang of it.

Cigarette tobacco smells nice when drying, nice when curing, nice when in the pack. Then someone burns it and it becomes needlessly rank and harsh. But - this is key - cigarette smokers don't know what the smoke smells like to others, because they've become nose-blind to it (the mouth being located directly underneath the nose).

Though I have never smoked an entire cigarette, I like nicotine fine. I and my fellow insufferably pretentious English-major types liked pipes. They offer a mellower olfactory situation, but still have some of the same nose-blindness problems. That is, your perception of the smell of your own smokable is very different from the perception of other people in your life (due to the thing being right next to your goddamn nose).

In contrast, I have always loved weed. It's not a big part of my life right now due to those pesky law things, but I miss it. The main drawback is the gulf between desire and reality, as noted upthread

When I smoke/eat it once I imagine a life of languorous days in the woods with a hammock in a perpetual summer. What I end up doing is watching marathons of the Price is Right and eating ice cream bars in my underwear.

Yeah, when I am high I feel like I should make the most of it: adventure, creative endeavor, sex, sybaritic pleasure, luxury, extreme relaxation. But this anxiety to make it a Good Drug Experience is itself really counterproductive because whatever I manage to do, I feel like there's something better I should be doing instead. The result is paralysis in some stupid pointless loop.

just put on a cool record and chill

(if I get a phone call that my store is on fire and show up after a few drinks no one will care, show up stoned and the authorities will care deeply)

uhhhh...

oh yeah, texas

it's a lot harder for someone to tell if you're high than if you've had a few drinks.

just put on a cool record and chill

― marcos, Monday, October 24, 2016 10:19 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is very often the answer afaic

listen to the blue nile hats while lying on the floor. drink some tea. eat pasta with tomato sauce.

I only smoke weed that I have unexpectedly found while walking my dog. After my first two hauls the finder policy doesn't seem to be working anymore, sadly people don't go to greenbelt areas to get stoned and lose whole bags of it in the Autumn.

After recovering from a bad lung infection recently I am glad I don't smoke either f/t anymore tbh.

listen to the blue nile hats while lying on the floor. drink some tea. eat pasta with tomato sauce.

this is like the most otm post in the entire history of ilx

it's a lot harder for someone to tell if you're high than if you've had a few drinks.

Maybe - I'd say it depends on your tolerance/level of practice. At times I've been super drunk and had people tell me they couldn't tell a difference, much less 3-4 drinks (pretty much my max these days) - I've never found that level with weed. I either don't notice it at all or I'm baked but I've had a lot more practice functioning while drinking, I'm sure if it were more social for me I'd adapt/build a tolerance.

I like watching serious indie relationship dramas when I'm high. Queen of the Earth - unwatchable sober, fascinating while stoned.

I got higher than ever Saturday thanks to someone offering me THC in a vape and taking too big of a hit. Was not the fun kinda high. :/

I like to think I have pretty good buzz maintenance skillz. I can generally incorporate three drinks into an evening where I need to keep my wits about me (like a date or work function), and stop before things get troublesome. Beer and wine (by nature of their volume) can slow the progression down, compared to hard drinks. When drinking vodka (for example), one can accidentally speed past the mild-buzz stage, going straight from sober to puking-on-the-hostess without having that pleasantly-buzzed stage in between.

In my youth (early 90s), I could take two or three hits from a bowl/joint, or one bong hit, then still do stuff like play music in a club setting. Much more than that, and I might have been inappropriately giggling in a corner about the inherent funniness of dryer lint. Nowadays, I know that potency requires a different calculation. I fear I'd blow way past the mild-buzz and dryer-lint stages, and end up ping-ponging between terror, masturbation, and sleep.

people still smoke joints lol

i'd love to smoke more joints! i'm terrible at rolling them but i think they are fun to smoke. i probably haven't smoked a joint in like 10 years

also lots of dispensaries sell pre-rolled joints that are pretty popular right?

people still smoke joints lol

― clouds, Wednesday, October 26, 2016 11:03 AM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what are we supposed to smoke?

#vapelife yo

some of yall need to google "how do i smoke weed"

i didn't even know you could vape it until the other day. obvs it's totally illegal in the UK and always has been although there are a few pubs near me that take a liberal attitude to these things if you're discreet.

Always find that while a joint doesn't have the instant deep impact of a bong hit, over time it delivers the longer lasting and more satisfying smoke.

Also, as an ex-smoker I still like sucking on a little tube of pleasure.

best way to smoke is to fill up a chamber thick with smoke, soak two long strings (thin ropes work too) in it for 2 minutes, tie up the smoky strings tautly across the room, *pluck* the strings so you can see them oscillate (strobe lights help) and then run under the vibrating strings, catching a perfect whiff as you pass by

http://i.imgur.com/FwxxeXJ.jpg

you can buy cones dirt cheap in Denmark, no need to roll

http://bongland.dk/headshop-online/6-jointpapircones-og-blunts/275-cones-king-size-109mm-100-stk/
^^100 cones for 14 euros

one thing about a joint is if you can roll a nice tight one that draws easy you feel kinda cool. or maybe -you- don't, idk, but back when I was a cigarette smoker who sometimes rolled his own, I liked the "nice!" response if several of us would be sitting around and the question 'can anybody roll joints?' would come up. rolling up a doob and smoking it...it's just a different vibe

HOWEVER, in the age of heavily cultivated sticky ass buds, it's a fuckload harder to roll a decent J, so bowls it is generally

you're totally right - just could never roll a joint :'(
could roll cigs though, and so I could roll small joints...

i don't have much time for bongs, they gross me out a little and i always take too big of a hit

chillums are my default, they are easy to use and discreet. someday i'll get a vaporizer but i think we are still a ways away from really reliable and consistent vapes

i like the high through from a vaporizer

Joints always give me a throwback, drinking-shitty-beer-out-of-cans, high school party sort of feeling which is great but they're impractical for solo use. They're smelly and and an entire one of 20%+ THC weed would totally cripple me. The pre-rolls at the stores are always 1 gram apiece and it usually takes me 2 weeks or so to go through a that much in my normal use.

Bowls all the way, because you can totes magyver one out of a sheet of aluminum foil, a soda can, or an apple.

the first two only if you want to fry your brain and get alzheimers come on dude

bowls are nast imo

vapes are fun for discreet public smoking in like, movie theaters, but idk the taste is weird

joints still rule imo. roll a lil' pinsk if ur too lightweight & solo

xp oh well, too late, I was young and dumb and had no excuse

THC appears to combat Alzheimer's to some degree, so maybe the tin-foil just gets offset. Yeah, that's the ticket

Bought a one hitter for $8, haven’t had one of these in 20 years

Only using it for tobacco

The last time I smoked a cigarette I bought some of those pre-roll cones for lazy joints and some loose American Spirit tobacco. It was the first nicotine buzz I'd had since W's first year in office, honestly pretty nice.

I have a huge pre roll that’s like half tobaccy and half weed just sitting around

Perhaps best answered in the throes of additction.

smoking disgusting Top brand roll ups without a filter when you don't have enough $ for a pouch of Drum, swallowing little bits of it, and trying to spit them out when you have cottonmouth VS scraping resin out of your bowl and smoking it when your supply runs out

cigarettes ftw

Never really understood the roll-your-own crowd, when factory made cigarettes were perfected circa 1910.

Oh, well that's an easy one.
factory made = $$$
roll your own = ¢

It's not a matter of preference. It's 'I only have $5' or 'I only have $2'

Fair enough. I always assumed some sort of self-aggrandizing on the part of the roll-your-own crowd but I’m happy to be schooled on this

There *are* smokers who prefer the flavor or bite of roll your owns, but it's rare, and they def don't smoke Top. Most ppl who smoke em do so because it's what they can afford.

Why does tombot hate weed

edibles and vapes have gotten so popular the last few years feels like smoking weed is the “retro” option like listening to music on vinyl

Need some 4% THC shit like it’s 1977 again.

edibles are too intense, I do finally have a vape I like, but still smoking a bit of weed out of my glass pipe is the most enjoyable for me

Edibled and vape both have that lag before it kicks in, I like smoking better because I feel like I can more accurately keep track of how high I am.

Need some 4% THC shit like it’s 1977 again.

― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, April 24, 2023 12:13 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Was cooking dinner the other night, annoyed about the pungent aroma of the weed that my son has been bongripping in the garage, when I accidentally spilled some oregano on the stove burner. I was like "Yes! This is what weed should smell like!" We need weed that has been stepped on with kitchen spices again.

I'm lucky I never got into cigs. feel like I should've at some point because pretty much all my friends smoke. it was pretty obnoxious that they'd all go out for a smoke break every hour and I'd just be left inside sitting on my hands. eventually I started going out with them and smoking some myself but I never liked it. I tell myself I don't do it for health reasons, or because I hate smelling like smoke (especially being married to a non-smoker), or because it fucking sucks having to constantly go outside when you live in a state where it's cold 7 months out of the year, but the reality is I never caught anything more than a mild buzz off it

weed was kinda the same thing for a while because we got that cheap shit that high schoolers get, which maybe was actually cut with spices and brillo pads. I remember rolling really awful Js and then spending the next 2 hours thinking "am I high yet?". all I remember is getting a little freaked out by the Simpsons. then we got some actual decent weed and it changed everything. 15 minutes in I'm physically unable to stop headbanging to "Mother Sky" by Can and I'm just like...hmmm...now I get it. it's nice. I still try to do more edibles for the sake of my lungs though. I don't really like that feeling that you've burned the back of your throat or the pipes that lead to your ears.

I have never successfully smoked a cigarette. Just can't.

For a while I lived in Richmond, Virginia, a tobacco-centric city, surrounded by smokers... I love the smell of drying tobacco.

Every few years I would buy a pack of unfiltered Camels out of love for the design and for the smell when freshly opened pack of Camels.

Burning them, though... the smoker quickly gets nose-blind to the smell and it's infinitely worse when burning than before.

As a silly English major I smoked a pipe for a while - nose-blindedness is a problem there too. Pipe tobacco can be quite nice but the smoker doesn't smell it in the same way as a nonsmoker does. These dynamics get glossed over but to me they are important factors.

I have smoked plenty of weed but prefer gummies these days.

i'm in brooklyn for the first time since legalization. i hadn't really fully clocked that you can legally smoke weed anywhere it's legal to smoke tobacco. the smell of weed is eeeeverywhere. people just toking out in front of the police station. it is absolutely wild. can very easily imagine people going to the airport and forgetting they have a joint in their backpack. you know, people that are not me

i'm a little suspect of your average bodega weed, but i like that it's possible to buy weed at any time pretty much anywhere now. smell of brooklyn in the summer is very much weed + match light charcoal.

Ohare has "cannabis amnesty" boxes for folks who wind up at the airport with an overlooked spliff in their pocket...

And they are INSIDE security…

I have seen those, and pretty much just assume that it's a rotating privilege among security and TSA staff to "safely dispose" of the contents of the amnesty boxes.

Friday night! Let's see what bounty we have in the amnesty box!

...that thought did cross my mind..

A rather more daring, slightly more ACAB-minded person than myself might consider testing this hypothesis by putting some drug-like substances in there, but with decidedly unsavory ingredients.

Here you go, O'Hare cops! Enjoy this dime bag of oregano and rat poison!

Oh hey, what's this that I just discovered in my luggage? Could it be a half a cup of dried basil mixed with a tablespoon of fentanyl? I dunno. I guess you'd better check!

(Preemptively denouncing myself for even having these sinister thoughts; I'll show myself out.)

My understanding (gleaned through conversations with Phish heads, so maybe find secondary confirmation) is that the TSA don't realy care about weed anymore, although local police in the city you're flying into might, and carrying it over international borders is, of course, bad.

I suspect with more and more states going legal it would probably cripple an airport to try do deal with small amounts of weed

xp to peace, man: when I crave solid, actionable information about the state of American law enforcement and jurisprudence, I always look to my favorite jam-band forums.

I probably would have known nothing about the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 2016, were it not for my bros on the DMBfanz board. Those dudes totally helped me understand both the controversial fiscal policy of quantitative easing, AND the awesomeness of the bassline of "Ants Marching."

My DMB-adjacent homies have so far been quiet about the intricacies of cannabis enforcement in major US airports, but that's probably because Chad is taking a nap and the rest of the guys are out playing Ultimate in the quad.

And ums otm, I'm sure 85% of the time they don't want to have to parse the complexities of whether you're flying from a legal jurisdiction to an illegal one or vice versa.

weed>cigs