Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

New month, new thread.

good luck usa

we gon need it

Trump's really starting to deliver on those comparisons to Hitler, isn't he. Last night's speech he used the same language and intonation as Hitler, same ideas, right after announcing a new project that the Nazis used to help create the pretext for the Holocaust.

Yet ... now the media is all cuddly with him because he patted them on the heads. Democrats are actively trying to quash whatever genuine resistance to Trump is out there even in the face of all this. Yeeeeeeeeeah.

what do you mean by that?

https://i.imgur.com/7CGzQBf.jpg

This, plus the rise in hate crimes that Trump blamed on the victims, plus the new VOICE program which resembles the Nazis publishing "crimes" committed by Jewish people. Trump supporters are murdering innocent people because they think they look like Muslims. Mosques are getting burned down. Trump's staff after the speech stated that his administration has no plan of changing their policies whatsoever.

Anyone in their right mind should look at all of this and fight it like we all imagined we'd fight the rise of the Nazis in history class. Yet the only ones who are talking like this are on the left, and the Democratic/liberal establishment regularly slanders them and does their best to keep them out of the party.

David Duke loved the speech. I wonder why? (Hint: Read the first two lines of the tweet above) https://twitter.com/DrDavidDuke/status/836778671302184962

I just realized, I wonder if those alt-right nuts got the idea of #PizzaGate using code words because of how neo-Nazis use code words to communicate with each other. Where would they get that idea from, ya know? It's all just speculation, obviously, but this looks like a pretty grisly puzzle here.

guys, there's nothing more "presidential" than bloodlust and scapegoating

caught this DeVos shit, right?

https://twitter.com/nktpnd/status/836425805085429761

yeah some great "choices" they had smh

At this point, these things are starting to feel almost beneath our attention. Of course a willfully-ignorant idiot said something ignorant and idiotic. What else are they going to say?

these VOICE shit is scary as fuck imo

OK I'm out

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/02/27/icymi-president-trump-seeks-outdo-obama-backing-black-colleges

I thought the thread title was a Hot Fruit reference.

Another great thought. The left is in a weird place, especially on the Socialist and Communist end. When I was a kid I joined the Youth Communist League back in the 90s during a bout of Russophilia.

The same Kremlin talking points Trump and his supporters spout off are some of the same exact ones I learned in the YCL: dismantling NATO, shutting down US military bases, that kind of stuff. And the Socialist/Communist groups have old Soviet leanings, using the same language, "comrade" in the DSA, etc.

Maybe that's why it seems like large blocks of the left have this intersection with Trump supporters that they probably shouldn't have. So a few big rallying points on the left might be compromised by Kremlin propaganda going way back, creating an even greater division in unity with the only potential for opposition, not even just from the liberal establishment.

Yeah, we're in some shit here.

And Ryan is looking down, right now, you know that, and he's very happy, because I think he just broke a record.

I make ghosts happy

wtf was that ? he must be so happy his death would spur on record cheers at the joint sessions speech.

no greater honour than having the orange goon who sent you to your death make up shit about your post-mortem emotions

I didn't watch this cuz I'm not *that* much of a glutton for punishment so instead focusing on good news that GOP still totally in the weeds on their ACA repeal, Connecticut special election victories, and yet another delay of MuslimBan 2.0. Keep it up, losers!

These windows into Turnip's perception of the world reveal so many previously-unconsidered variations on how broken a human being can be.

Just stunned though at how quickly the media cleaved to the pivot narrative, even though that is some of the shit that got us here in the first place

The fact that it's the shit that got us here in the first place is why you shouldn't be stunned.

They've been waiting for daddy to quit drinking, and now he's totally going to do all of those things he's promised if we're just good little boys and girls and stop making him so mad all the time.

^^^

none of this shit is surprising

well, the fact that he apparently spoke in complete sentences is somewhat surprising, but it's hardly a reason for applause

i feel stupid (and also this doesn't matter) but can someone explain why last night was not billed as a SOTU?

Cos we're not a union anymore

I don't like "abusive relationship" narrative going on re: Trump and the media. The abusive relationship here is with US citizens and the media, with people thinking the media is actually in the service of public interest. Why would it be? Is Coca Cola working for the public interest?

the SOTH get's to choose what it's called and he decided to call it a joint sessions speech. not sure of his reasoning xp

Jon Schwarz tolls the bell:

@tinyrevolution
Trump's language last night about Medicaid was taken almost word for word from Paul Ryan's Better Way Medicaid plan

"Medicaid is not just healthcare for the poor. It also pays the bills for over 60 percent of nursing home residents, and 40 percent of all national long-term care costs. And the number of Americans who need nursing home care is going to rise significantly over the next several decades as the baby boom ages into their eighties and nineties. Cutting Medicaid over this period is a recipe for people literally dying in the streets (or for luckier ones, on the foldout couch in their kid’s living room)."

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/01/the-only-concrete-takeaway-from-trumps-speech-medicaid-is-doomed/

Isn't it because it's normally not called SOTU in the first year of a new presidency?

Woulda been better if he went full-Yelawolf and called it his Shit of the Union Distress

I think a President technically has to be in office for a year before it becomes an official SOTU.

Been surprised by positive responses to the speech. Is his popularity going to go up several points temporarily? Then he can get the US into a war and boost it some more. Lovely.

he'll get a boost from this. then he'll tweet some dumb shit, insult somebody, get in a fight w the press, issue the Muslim ban EO, etc. and it'll nosedive again.

His popularity has bounced back and forth a bunch since Inauguration so probably. But long term it will probably stay in the toilet

I'm just flummoxed that there are still people who are unable to take like this big picture view of a dumbfuck public figure who has been showing us exactly who he is for decades and who has been vocally espousing a very particular strain of his general douchebaggery for years and who has spent the last year and a half incessantly assaulting us with what a spectacularly irredeemable piece of human garbage he is and how thoroughly resistant to change he is. I don't know how, in the face of that, you can watch him talking slightly more calmly about things that are just slightly less hateful than usual and pretend that he's pivoting or changing or maturing or growing. Fuck every single person who's promoting that narrative, seriously, and may each one of them be tethered to him in the historical narrative of whatever awful shit he manages to do before he's ejected from office.

I'm not sure how the VOICE thing isn't completely overshadowing anything else that's being considered positive about this speech.

Most people think politics are really this easy thing that corrupt politicians have fouled up, so what non-dumbfucks see as evidence of incompetence and cluelessness, they see as "the new Sheriff in town being temporarily stymied by the old corrupt bureaucracy"

yeah. there were audible gasps in the audience when he described it. xpost

God, the headline on NYT right now: "Trump Offers Up a More Hopeful Vision"

the next several decades as the baby boom ages into their eighties and nineties

why we are well fucked for 25+ more years, and not just bc of health care costs.

Reasons why i am planning to die by 55

Without spawn

NPR noon newscast totally emph'd the "presidential" spin

Reasons why i am planning to die by 55

well, i have to see if the Mets win this year

and the only guvmint that matters:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/01/investing/dow-21000-trump-speech/index.html

the stock market thing and the whole media narrative around it is troubling. could it be that investors are optimistic because they know they're in an era of deregulation? no, no, that couldn't be it. they're optimistic because of trump's patriotic eagle vision for the country.

trump clearly loves taking credit for the gains since his election. and when there's an inevitable dip/crisis/crash, it's all too predictable how trump will react - it will be somebody or something else's fault, he will be treated so unfairly

wow at that video where Trump hustles out of the executive order signing when he's asked about immunity for Flynn...

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/847941360401485826

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKJv_LNIE1A

How do you get to this level without learning the first thing about how not to appear INCREDIBLY guilty? I'm agnostic about who might've done what or even if anything illegal ever occurred, but these dudes are convincing no one with this behavior.

I've managed to avoid any direct audio or video of him until now, it's still fucking impossible to wrap my head around Trump being the President.

we have some serious affirmative action for silver spooners in this country

chait goes in

Krauthammer himself has been a paraplegic since the age of 22. That’s an expensive medical condition. Probably he has group insurance through the Washington Post or another institution with which he’s affiliated, allowing him to spread the cost of his expensive medical care onto a risk pool that includes healthier, cheaper-to-cover people. Or perhaps he has a different arrangement. I do not for one moment resent that my insurance helps cover either childbirth or mechanized wheelchairs, even though I personally need neither service, and nothing Krauthammer says would make me reconsider.

It is callous enough that Republicans apply their every-man-for-himself logic to health care, and land on the belief that those fortunate enough to be blessed with good health should not be burdened with the cost of paying for the medical needs of others. But when the advocate of this argument himself has expensive medical needs, the callousness rises to a level of solipsistic barbarism. A paraplegic man resents having to pay for women who need help breastfeeding their babies. Why should those women have to buy insurance that covers wheelchairs?

http://www.newyorker.com/news/ryan-lizza/could-michael-flynn-turn-on-trump

ryan lizza on the immunity story. i'm still unclear i guess on what exactly flynn wants immunity for - aside from the logan act, what laws has he broken? i guess that's what we don't know yet

"Although Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner of Covington & Burling, refused to comment for the article, he tweeted out a statement teasing that “General Flynn certainly has a story tell, and he very much wants to tell it, should the circumstances permit.”

"As an experienced lawyer, Kelner will know that the Justice Department would never grant immunity for testimony on these terms. Prosecutors would first require that Flynn submit to what’s called a proffer session in which Flynn would agree to tell everything he knows in exchange for the prosecutors agreeing not to use his statement against him. Only after the prosecutors heard what Flynn could offer in terms of evidence against others, and had an opportunity to assess his credibility, would they be willing to discuss any grants of immunity or a cooperation deal. At a minimum, the prosecutors would require Flynn’s lawyer to make a proffer outlining the information that Flynn could provide.

"The fact that Flynn and his lawyer have made his offer publicly suggests that he has nothing good to give the prosecutors (either because he cannot incriminate others or is unwilling to do so). If he had something good, Flynn and his lawyer would approach the prosecutors quietly, go through the proffer process in confidence, and reach a deal. Why? Because prosecutors have an interest in keeping their investigation secret, and Flynn’s lawyer knows that...."

https://www.justsecurity.org/39426/explainer-flynns-request-immunity/

We're applying logic and reason to these people because why?

threat of imprisonment sometimes brings clarity

I think I choose to believe Flynn's lawyer is also a dumbass

Hm hm hm:

https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSEveningNews/status/847936144499146753

BREAKING: US investigators are looking into whether Trump campaign reps helped Russian intel carry out cyberattacks

And hooray!

https://apnews.com/992ae77585fc4956b29328e49a926c62/Trump's-approach-to-intel-agencies-shows-anxiety,-distrust

Officials have expressed an interest in having more raw intelligence sent to the president for his daily briefings instead of an analysis of information compiled by the agencies, according to current and former U.S. officials. The change would have given his White House advisers more control about the assessments given to him and sidelined some of the conclusions made by intelligence professionals.

I just hope we get a new suffix out of this. So sick of -gates

my money's on -tape for Pisstape

Hope Donnie finds the remote in prison so he can watch his fav shows

I really don't think Trump's going to prison, getting impeached, any of that. And I'm at peace with that! The guy is dirty as hell, his team is all dirty as hell, and this constant drumbeat is going to give the 80% of Americans who don't pay close attention to the news the vague (and correct) sense they're all dirty as hell and make it hard for them to get anything done.

from this piece qualmsley posted in the russia trump poll thread - http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/31/the-political-walls-are-closing-in-on-donald-trump.html

Even if he survives, Trump’s leadership in Washington is in tatters. The Freedom Caucus doesn’t fear him. What’s left of the Republican moderates don’t respect him. The Democrats will have nothing to do with him. And his fair weather friend, Paul Ryan, is a disaster as speaker of the House who is fighting harder for tax cuts for the top one percent than for anything in the Trump campaign agenda and making enemies of the Breitbartians in the process.

there are people who didn't see this all coming! fuck those people.

i didn't see it coming tbf, mainly because i stopped trying to see things coming after last year.

I was thinking more of folks who thought this asshole and his family were going to get results

if he'd have appointed advisers who weren't first-timers or morons he might have had a shot (*might*) but that was never going to happen.

i like that knives are out for kushner now http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/jared-kushner-white-house-influence-236758

fingers crossed we get stronger nepotism laws and a steeper estate tax out of all this garbage. a 'trump-kushner tax' on insane inherited wealth would be a fitting legacy for this administration

ahh yes this is a good idea

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/326830-trump-tells-nbc-to-stop-covering-russia-story

honestly, I thought they were going to get a lot more of their agenda crammed through quickly with a republican congress, I did not realize how massively all involved would manage to screw it all up when they had everything they needed to be successful (except brains)

yeah I didn't sleep well for days after the election because of thinking just that. I knew he would suck, but I figured the party woulda found a way around his ineptitude.

knock on wood I guess it's still sadly early.

There was always the question of what Trumps agenda even was. I wouldn't be surprised if he had more commercials promoting a Democratic agenda than Clinton (for good reasons, imo, but that's another discussion).

even the Nunes maneuver hasn't succeeded like I thought it would (mostly cos the press found their stones and are shitting all over his bullshit behavior)

It's still early sure but midterms are tantalizingly close

Hoping ossoff clears 50% in GA so we can hail him president like what the media did to Scott brown

i'd call faster melting of the icecaps a result

That tends to happen each spring no matter who the president is, though.

yeah that's how you were freed from that glacier

Ok lol

lmao

clean hit

delicious

daaaaaaaaaaaamn

global warming's terrifying new math

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/39906-as-trump-s-denialists-get-to-work-the-climate-is-changing-170-times-faster

damn son

Krauthammer himself has been a paraplegic since the age of 22. That’s an expensive medical condition. Probably he has group insurance through the Washington Post or another institution with which he’s affiliated, allowing him to spread the cost of his expensive medical care onto a risk pool that includes healthier, cheaper-to-cover people. Or perhaps he has a different arrangement. I do not for one moment resent that my insurance helps cover either childbirth or mechanized wheelchairs, even though I personally need neither service, and nothing Krauthammer says would make me reconsider.
It is callous enough that Republicans apply their every-man-for-himself logic to health care, and land on the belief that those fortunate enough to be blessed with good health should not be burdened with the cost of paying for the medical needs of others. But when the advocate of this argument himself has expensive medical needs, the callousness rises to a level of solipsistic barbarism. A paraplegic man resents having to pay for women who need help breastfeeding their babies. Why should those women have to buy insurance that covers wheelchairs?

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chait is stone cold

Conservatives will scream "wow, rude" if they acknowledge it at all, but it's such a direct hit.

Bring on the April thread already, US peeps

He got away with all his lies, people still elected him. Will he also get away without getting anything done? By blaming others all the time? I hope not but I fear yes. I am really happy living in good old europe these days. The usa give me the chills.

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