The Irish

Kneecapping aside.

ya I would have thought SF might have some ideas abt how 2 handle these types

i think theres a curious split between the type of law and order party SF might be expected to be, and by whom

Pretty good but ultimately depressing piece about last month’s events.

Focusing on the poor performance of far right parties also elides the significant successes they have had in getting visible support from fellow travelers in the Dáil, like Mattie McGrath and Danny Healy Rae, or in electing sympathetic independents like Verona Murphy. There is a far right in parliament, just not one with a party label yet.

Because fascism appeals to an imagined past, admission to the far right typically entails some apologia for the many brutalities of the Irish state in the twentieth century, which were principally directed at non-conforming women, children, the working class, and queer people.

kerry has long voted for a behaved exactly like a legal/social/political return to the worst elements of that past

the last election saw a lot get voted in on protest with nary a look at them- sf have actually been cleaning house to get rid of sitting tds and councillors- and im somewhat confident that some mentioned above wont get in next time but ofc that doesnt mean others from the far right dont get in instead

by and large the electorate has tended to reject the fringe to an extent that you wouldnt believe given the media and social media focus on them across referendum and election history

I had one of them genetic heritage tests and sent my DNA sample on a mail journey to a lab in Texas, because I just wanted to know I wasn't British - because I've never felt it and at least a part of me got sent on a holiday.

the result was

85.3%
Irish, Scottish, and Welsh

12.9%
Scandinavian

1.8%
East European

It's not really that interesting or significant, but still give me some amusement, I'm almost Irish American!

Scandinavian tho buck?

kerry has long voted for a behaved exactly like a legal/social/political return to the worst elements of that past

the last election saw a lot get voted in on protest with nary a look at them- sf have actually been cleaning house to get rid of sitting tds and councillors- and im somewhat confident that some mentioned above wont get in next time but ofc that doesnt mean others from the far right dont get in instead

by and large the electorate has tended to reject the fringe to an extent that you wouldnt believe given the media and social media focus on them across referendum and election history

xp

changing my name by deed poll to Tomas O'Dowd!

I've read that there's so little real difference between Irish, Scottish, Welsh and English DNA that it's kind of useless, or at least extremely difficuly, to separate them. My sister got 50% Scottish and 50% Irish, which seemed far too neat.

... she might have editorialised that though to take out the random nonsense, like Native American or whatever, that show up in these tests tbf.

well

i can see why youd tell yourself that but

yeah, it's a load of bollix, really. My uncle reckoned there was an Indian connection to our family but I think the poor bugger was taking too much speed. In the sub results, it narrowed it down to "Cork, Kerry and Limerick" which is very accurate.

I don't know anything about these tests tbh. I don't know if you have to give your name or not because, if you do, I reckon they'd could get quite a bit of information from that alone. A bit like how mindreading acts and mediums work.

... your name and location. Maybe I'm being too cynical.

the one I used, your dna sample is given a number. You can supply your name but I just put Tom Jones because I'm not having some US company having my dna and government name

I kind of believe it because I was expecting to be underwhelmed, and there is nothing more underwhelming than finding out you are 12.5% Scandi!

I think there might be a strong pool of neanderthal gene variants concentrated in Kerry, making it easier to identify

I just put Tom Jones because I'm not having some US company having my dna and government name

That's explains the Welsh DNA then.

wouldn't the scandinavian bits have been left behind by yr old viking callers

yeah, they got about a bit

"come on in, I *may* have some loot to plunder..."

The viking discourse in Ireland is very funny. Everybody loves them and is like "and they became just as Irish as ourselves!" as though they all spent a year moaning about school places and then started calling Liveline frequently.

Fellas is the battle of Clontarf…bad?

I should also point out that calz is from Jorvikshire, sorry, Yorkshire.

lol at the viking discourse

iirc they came in and just made a few suggestions around architecture and currency but otherwise fairly smooth integration?

Also the contributors of red hair to the gene pool, which ofc is not a problem for those of us descended directly from the Tuatha de Dannan, Diarmuid Ua Duibhne and *checks notes* the Normans.

the anatolians or do we not mentions that

xxxp
there is really something badly wrong with the narrow gene pool of rural Yorkshire, in a much more fucked up way than Kerry. A good example is that horrible fucker Simon Armitage. I bet his family tree is the same bunch of Marsden cousins interbreeding since the doomsday book.

Alec Douglas-Home made this point very well when Harold Wilson called him out in parliament by his lordly title "14th earl of whatever" and he retorted "and you are the 14th Harold Wilson".

the anatolians or do we not mentions that

Srsly I didn’t realise there was an Anatolian influence though.

this the exodus of farmers from Turkey? This has been mentioned on here before and my dad did look a bit like Omar Sharif

i knew an ann o toole i wonder was she related

almost certainly!

I blame the Milesians

I blame the Fir Bolg

look its all downhill from the formorians and thats a cnoic ill fuair bás on

anyone rushing in to correct I'll intercept with "thats anatolian irish"

this is good content

The 9th century Latin work Historia Brittonum (History of the Britons) says that Ireland was settled by three groups of people from the Iberian Peninsula. The first are the people of Partholón, who all die of plague. The second are the people of Nemed, who eventually return to Iberia. The last group are led by three sons of a warrior or soldier from Hispania (mīles Hispaniae), who sail to Ireland with thirty ships, each carrying thirty wives. They see a glass tower in the middle of the sea with men on top of it, but the men do not answer their calls. They set out to take the tower, but when they reach it, all but one of their ships are sunk by a great wave. Only one ship is saved, and its passengers are the ancestors of all the Irish.[3]

look its all downhill from the formorians and thats a cnoic ill fuair bás on

its passengers are the ancestors of all the Irish

the interesting theory i saw espoused once was

if you fancy mixing legend with history with stats

what if niall of nine hostages is the antecedent of all the anatolian genetic strain, or some version of

Mná na hÉireann must have been hostages to his sausage I guess

Niall of the Nine Hostages, the incredibly fertile Irish warlord, is thought to have 3 million descendants worldwide today.

Genghis Khan had nothing on him

Honestly amazing we have a patron saint with himself so busy dipping the wick

An inch for every hostage

id say he saw his share of four foot boxes hah?

a foot for every beor

There is a Smith guy on the DNA database of the lab I used who it states is such a close match that he is a first cousin. I thought bullshit I'm not related to any Smiths. But then I looked at his family tree on the website and saw my mum's name on there and various uncles. Then I remembered my auntie Joan had a kid in the UK which she gave up for adoption before moving back to Dublin and this is him. I can't properly access this part of their DNA service because it's paywalled and I'm not paying for membership. But it does prove their lab work is legit.