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i am reading on saturday.

anthony, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

At a service or something else?

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am reading now! Ho!

JM, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

What did you call him a ho for?

Ally, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yes, every one knows who the HO is around here.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

A poetry reading, anthony? good luck!

jel, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am in a happy monogomous relationship, for you to call me a tart and a ho is slander Mr. Hanley.

Ally, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Look whos calling the kettle black!

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But I've never called you a ho.

Ally, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

LIAR!

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

when?

Ally, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

You are distracting from Tony's thread. Go off and fuss somewhere else, you harpy.

Mike Hanle y, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Hrmph.

Ally, Thursday, 23 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

what's skin colour got to do with it? on the real t opic, anthony - is this to elderly people or what?

Geoff, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

No its 30 minutes of my poetry.

anthony, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i'll be there in spirit, passing round kegs iof red wine, yelling Go!

Geoff, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why not white wine?

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I like reading comic books out loud to people and not showing them the pictures.

1 1 2 3 5, Friday, 24 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

ten years pass...

there's a venue i used to go to (it is a vegan cafe) (oy) which is doing a thing i feel like i ought to make fun of and also simultaneously feel like i ought not to make fun of: a series of 'writers reading their own work'

We'll be playing a selection of rare recordings of the poet, T. S. Eliot at Cafe Kino this evening.

T. S. Eliot is one of my favourite poets, mostly because of the way he used language to paint images and experiences that could sometimes only be expressed as collages and muddles. I think I learnt to 'read' poetry mostly from reading T. S. Eliot, and realising that there is not always a strict literal meaning on the page, but the combination of words, and especially the sound of the words when spoken out loud, create their own meaning and atmosphere. And sometimes are just fun!

Eliot was a modernist poet, but he did not wholesale reject traditional verse; He used the conventions, and knew the rules he was breaking. In his sometimes sermon-voiced readings his words and rhythms are ancient, steadfast and authoritative, as they are alive, rebellious, ground-breaking, playful and colloquial.

Eliot won the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1948, and you can read what they wrote about him then here: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/1948/eliot-bio.html

Amongst the work he recorded, mostly during the 1950's, includes The Waste Land, Four Quartets, Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats and The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock - all of which will be played in their entirety tonight, as well as many others.

I really love listening to writers reading their own work; there is always a quality of simplicity and honesty, where normally is generously-spread over-eloquence, dramatic pomp and reverential tone when read by others.

This will be the first in a series of evenings of rare and historical recordings of writers reading their own work, selected from my personal collection of original LPs. After this evening, the next one will be Friday 3rd February, when I will be playing readings by Sylvia Plath. More will follow including readings by Gertrude Stein, William Saroyan, Truman Capote, Dylan Thomas, Dorothy Parker, William Carlos Williams, Jack Kerouac, Stevie Smith, Edith Sitwell and John Steinbeck.

Personally speaking, this sounds like the perfect Friday night out! But I'm not sure how many others might feel the same way - I hope you do, cos then you'd be exactly who I'd like to spend a Friday night with! Feel free to invite anyone you think would like to come. It's free entry.

Hope to see you later,
XO

thomp, Friday, 6 January 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link

the urges stem i think from i. doesn't bristol have a poetry scene worth inculcating that there are, you know, living people who might read their own work, and be alive in person vs. ii. this is actually a kind of nice effort to educate people, and it's snooty of me to assume that there aren't people who don't already know all about t.s. eliot

and i guess further objections to i. can be made along the lines of a. actually, getting people to actually listen to these poems might do more to make them go and think about poetry / poetry of their own, than would listening to some not-great poetry by someone happens to be there b. er something about deconstruction of the metaphysics of presence, i'll get back to you

thomp, Friday, 6 January 2012 18:45 (twelve years ago) link

theres a really great video of frank o'hara reading 'having a coke with you' on youtube from the mid 60s, its shot very close on his face and hes holding a lit cigarette, he reads the poem in this intense breathless rush, almost bored and maybe embarrassed, and it made me really love the poem in a way i dont think i would just reading it? idk

deleverage of the soil (Lamp), Friday, 6 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link

partly because of my love for you, partly because of your love for yogurt

thomp, Friday, 6 January 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link

i hadn't seen that clip before / had forgotten about that poem so huh. i o'hara used to be my favorite poet / was my first 'favorite poet' -- i got the massive disorganised collected poems and made myself like him less struggling with it

i find it hard, in general, to raise much enthusiasm for readings and similar penumbral acts. like a lot of what i get out of reading (-s) involves not being in a room with other people and engaging with something in a way that's not as ... err, chronology-bound, space-bound (urgh) -- also why i prefer books to tv -- tho a lot of this is still the kid in me who is really proud of being able to read really quickly, which is something i need to train myself out of on two levels

thomp, Friday, 6 January 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link

one year passes...

http://www.typomag.com/burningchair/uploaded_images/fj6-725461.jpg

pplains, Wednesday, 25 September 2013 14:58 (ten years ago) link

six months pass...

http://vimeo.com/63713414

stephanie young reading from her new book

i don't think she's at all exceptional in the mediocre quality of her reading. but why? why are writers who give 'readings' like they are? like, zero conception of the oral as distinct from the page. of the performance as distinct from the public (the talk, the announcement).

j., Wednesday, 9 April 2014 17:47 (ten years ago) link

Writing and giving a vocal performance are definitely separate talents. Sure, a few authors are multi-talented and interpret their own works wonderfully well, but the combination is rare. Authors do it because it gives them publicity and exposes their work (and because their publishers insist on it). People go to readings because they want to be in the same room with an author they admire (and because it's generally free admission).

Aimless, Wednesday, 9 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link

surely one can learn "vocal performance" without forgetting how to write.

brimstead, Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:06 (ten years ago) link

Aimless. have you never had an englisb teacher who was a proficient "vocal performer"?

brimstead, Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link

i took a creative writing class that was taught by someone with a side job as a professional reader. he read all of salinger's 'for esme with love and squalor' for us one class, some of the best reading i've ever heard.

j., Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:13 (ten years ago) link

what the heck, there's no magic beans to reading one's own writing or whatever. this is all just a general discomfort w/ public speaking

r. bean (soda), Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:16 (ten years ago) link

well they should get better at it over time, then!

brimstead, Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:18 (ten years ago) link

or not read their own work, have a little self-respect

j., Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:19 (ten years ago) link

I consider myself to be an above average reader-aloud. I was a drama geek in high school and have even written a few speeches for local politicians. But being an English teacher is not the same as being "a writer".

My dad was an English teacher and a pretty good vocal performer (he especially was drawn to Robert Service). He also wrote and could spin off a decent limerick or anecdote, but his writing never rose to a level much above general proficiency. He never had the luxury of studying the art of writing in great depth or detail. My maternal grandfather was the head of a university literature department, but he had a tin ear and his writing constantly trended toward turgidity. I've got a boxful of it in the basement to bear witness.

Real writing talent, fully-developed, is plenty rare on its own. It takes massive numbers of hours to polish and perfect. Learning how to use dramatic flair and timing in front of an audience also takes dedication and practice. Most writers never get around to learning both. Just how it happens.

they should get better at it over time

That only works if they want to get better and pay sufficient attention to the craft. If readings are just a nuisance they put up with or just a fun lark that will always be secondary to writing, they'll never improve.

Aimless, Thursday, 10 April 2014 02:38 (ten years ago) link

I don't take the words in if I read aloud and therefore I have trouble intonating properly.

1 pONO 3v3Ry+h1n G!!!1 (dog latin), Thursday, 10 April 2014 09:18 (ten years ago) link

http://www.ubu.com/papers/byrne_poetry_standup.pdf

good shit!

j., Thursday, 17 April 2014 22:23 (ten years ago) link

three months pass...

http://www.cityartsonline.com/articles/stop-using-poet-voice

^ from ned from skot from who knows where

j., Monday, 21 July 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link

Yes, yes. omg yes.

pplains, Tuesday, 22 July 2014 00:22 (nine years ago) link

I get the irritation, but what I think that article misses is that "poet voice" is not just an affectation, but much more deeply ingrained: it has become the voice poets hear inside their heads as they write their poems. Even the Muse clears her throat these days.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 05:27 (nine years ago) link

I write poetry. I refuse to use the 'poet voice' when I read my poems aloud and I damn well don't hear it in my head as I write them. I've long thought the 'poet voice' was an abomination. It is perpetuated by poets who don't write in a voice so much as a style or a manner.

dustups delivered to your door (Aimless), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 06:17 (nine years ago) link

This is one crude generalization I don't mind being chided about, Aimless, my apologies for the broad brush.

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 22 July 2014 06:51 (nine years ago) link


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