― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:10 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:12 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:13 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Dan I., Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:16 (twenty-one years ago) link
I was bored with Begotten
― A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:17 (twenty-one years ago) link
Understandably,....but it was so utterly preposterous that I can't help but love it.
Surreal-wise, I'd cite Peter Weir's early stuff like "The Last Wave" and my beloved "Picnic at Hanging Rock."
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:34 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:36 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
I forgot Peggy Ahwesh and Peter Hutton, who are not only great filmmakers but nice people too!
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
― ducklingmonster (ducklingmonster), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:44 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:45 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
i think i burnt out on this stuff in film school. actually, i think i burnt out on all movies in film school.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:50 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:52 (twenty-one years ago) link
― jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:53 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:54 (twenty-one years ago) link
― hstencil, Saturday, 5 April 2003 03:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
Ouch...bad acid flashback of dragging my parents to see that movie in the theater. No wonder I had the shit beaten out of me during my childhood.
I only remember two things from that movie - the stupid ending with Cosby's wife dousing him in his food and the fact that the superweapon had three different colored liquids in it that Cosby switched with dishwashing liquid only to find out that it WAS filled with dishwashing liquid. (Which, of course, I found hilarious at the time. It is true - little kids are just drunken midgets.)
― Girolamo Savonarola, Saturday, 5 April 2003 05:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris Barrus (Chris Barrus), Saturday, 5 April 2003 05:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
http://www.match-cut.de/img&snd/mbad.jpg
L' annee derriere.
― Erik, Saturday, 5 April 2003 07:00 (twenty-one years ago) link
It's almost, not always, true that if it's a really cutting edge film, no one will know the name of it because no one will have seen it. Non-representational films, for ex., esp. animation created by scratching and coloring, that "liberate" the filmmaker and which are the first days homework in any film school animation class. "Look, continues images don't show up as continuous images. The 24 f.p.m. standard is a compromise between flicker and the appearance of motion created by the persistence of vision." "Oh, wow."
Cinema is a rules-based artform. For the most part, these visual and narrative conventions are liberating, rather than restrictive. Visually and stylistically renegade filmmakers sometimes are useful when they develop a new technique that can be expropriated by more mainstream filmmakers.
But this is nothing new. The art for art's sake movement is relatively new, the product of the industrial revolution giving a lot more people a lot more money and leisure time. Great art has always been popular art. Raffaele and Leonardo were sought after not because they were great artists but because they were popular and each pope/prince had to keep up with the Joneses.
"Every picture tells a story, don't it."
― Skottie, Saturday, 5 April 2003 07:15 (twenty-one years ago) link
Dead Man, while not being experimental or avant-garde, is also one of my favourite films of all time.
― Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Saturday, 5 April 2003 08:24 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:19 (twenty-one years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 5 April 2003 11:20 (twenty-one years ago) link
Would "Cabeza de Vaca" qualify?
― badgerminor (badgerminor), Saturday, 5 April 2003 13:28 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Chris P (Chris P), Saturday, 5 April 2003 13:47 (twenty-one years ago) link
― slutsky (slutsky), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:07 (twenty-one years ago) link
Mark cuts to the heart of it all.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:22 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 April 2003 14:35 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 5 April 2003 15:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
Chantal Akerman - "News From Home"Jean-Luc Godard - "Weekend"Abbas Kiarostami - "The Wind Will Carry Us"Andrei Tarkovsky - "Nostalghia"
― o. nate (onate), Saturday, 5 April 2003 16:30 (twenty-one years ago) link
Also, the treated street car film mentioned above may be Bruce Bailey's (I think that's his name) film Castro Street, which consisted of very colorful images sliding across the screen.
― nickn (nickn), Saturday, 5 April 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link
bad movie: pretty much any experimental film. For example the quay brothers "institute benjementa". It's just too complicated and it's black and white. Which makes it suck. Switching scenes too slowly completely ruins the flow of the story. A nice predictable and simple story line is always better.
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 April 2003 22:49 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 April 2003 22:51 (twenty-one years ago) link
rowr!!
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 5 April 2003 23:04 (twenty-one years ago) link
― N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 5 April 2003 23:14 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Sunday, 6 April 2003 21:09 (twenty-one years ago) link
resnais mon oncle d'amériqueLuis Bunuel The Phantom of Libertydebord la société du spectacleNagisa Oshima In The Realm Of The Sensesmichael snow so is this
― Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:25 (twenty-one years ago) link
― Erik, Sunday, 13 April 2003 10:37 (twenty-one years ago) link
That's the person I was trying to think of in my original post to this thread. The film that features rapidly alternating perspectives from within a hallway. It has been bothering me ever since (particularly as I'd seen the film in question multiple times), and it came to me tonight.
Serene Velocity. Great film. Anyone know this one?
― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:11 (twenty years ago) link
The Nine Lives of Thomas Katz...where end of the world in coming to London, windows speak and the subway has it's own gods.
Watch the K Foundation Burn a Million Quid...where the boys from KLF burn a million pounds of their own money. It really happened.
Don't Touch the White Woman!...where the famous battle between general Custer and the Indians takes place in modern-day Paris. Marcello Mastroianni plays Custer, and Catherine Deneuve is his mistress.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 May 2003 06:37 (twenty years ago) link
i thought the K foundation thing had been officially discredited now?
― arthur woodlouse (arthur woodlouse), Friday, 16 May 2003 09:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Matt (Matt), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:02 (twenty years ago) link
What do you mean by that? I heard Drummond & Cauty have destroyed all the existing copies of the film, but nothing about it being discredited.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 16 May 2003 10:14 (twenty years ago) link
i guess i should see some Bruce Baillie in NYC this weekend
http://www.filmlinc.org/festivals/art-of-the-real/
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 April 2016 02:50 (eight years ago) link
i did.
Andrew Noren?
http://www.moma.org/calendar/film/1629?locale=en
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 April 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link
soliciting Straub / Huillet recomms for May (only seen Not Reconciled)
http://www.moma.org/calendar/film/1641?locale=en
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 20:07 (seven years ago) link
I bought Anti-Clock on a whim the other day. It's supposed to be pretty abstract and hard to follow- a sort of Finnegan's Wake of British cinema. Anyone seen it?
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 23:18 (seven years ago) link
Haven't managed to get a copy yet but have seen clips and love what I've seen so far. I am an ardent Arden stan, though (I love both Separation and the Other Side of the Underneath, though the latter is intensely harrowing). There's an element of 60s/70s feminist performance theatre to her work that I think some people struggle with, as well as the abstraction.
Afraid I can't help with Morbs' request, but would like to hear a report back.
― emil.y, Tuesday, 26 April 2016 23:33 (seven years ago) link
You've got Anti-Clock! I bought it you in the last few months..
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 09:16 (seven years ago) link
V jealous of that Straub/Huillet retrospective - only know Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach, thanks to this Region 2 DVD set (guess I should get around to watching the other two films there)
http://www.newwavefilms.co.uk/view-film-detail.html/?viewListing=Mjc=
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 09:21 (seven years ago) link
xxp I tried watching it (alone) but I wasn't really watching it properly. Not much happens but a lot happens if you know what I mean. It's easy for my attention to wander and then miss out on a lot of detail. I'll give it another go next time I've nothing to do. The DVD has loads of extras and additional short films.
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 09:22 (seven years ago) link
Going to see this on Sunday, a former ILXOR tell me that a Dwoskin retrospective DVD set is in the works
http://luxscotland.org.uk/events/screening-lux-scotland-presents-pain-is-by-stephen-dwoskin/
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 09:25 (seven years ago) link
Ward - you've got to watch Sicilia! ASAP, its the best.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 10:08 (seven years ago) link
Crossing the Threshold: Experimental films and live performances from Malcolm Le Grice
― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 10:15 (seven years ago) link
soliciting Straub / Huillet recomms for May (only seen Not Reconciled)http://www.moma.org/calendar/film/1641?locale=en― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 April 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
You've got to see Too Early/Too Late
So much good shit - I'd get to the Holderlin and Pavese adaptations and def Sicilia! (which at nearly 70 mins is not a short)
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 10:24 (seven years ago) link
Hate how these are relegated to galleries - what's the screen at MoMa like?
In the meantime the BFI is treating to a Spielberg season #bumsOnSeats policy y'all!
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 10:27 (seven years ago) link
Thanks xyzzzz, will get right on it
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 10:58 (seven years ago) link
The MoMA screens are proper theaters; i haven't checked how many are in theater #1, the biggest room and screen
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 11:56 (seven years ago) link
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, April 27, 2016 10:16 AM (4 hours ago)
Doh, you know what, I had *completely* forgotten this and was gonna ask to borrow your copy. FFS, me.
― emil.y, Wednesday, 27 April 2016 13:46 (seven years ago) link
Werner Nekes - Hynningen
Music by Anthony More of Slapp Happy (along with a lot of other films by Werner Neukes).
― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 13:51 (seven years ago) link
Hoberman's piece on Straub-Huillet in the Times today is not going to set off a MoMA stampede -- he quoted Straub saying their movies were made to be walked out of, and finished by asking the curator if he was feeding the audience "spinach."
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 19:07 (seven years ago) link
TBF, it's hard to think of a 'campaign' that would result in lines around the block for a complete Straub-Huillet retro, if gross deception is not involved. In a way, emphasising the alienated difficulty of these films makes them seem more alluring, more of a challenge to be taken on.
Thanks to xyzzzz, I watched Scilia! - not on a big screen, unfortunately (it's worth saying that it's a very beautiful film in places, cinematography by frequent Rivette collaborator William Lubtchansky, though the framing/editing is totally Straub-Huillet's own - incredible repetition of unmotivated slow pans over empty rural landscapes, other shots that carry on well past their 'end'). In places, it reminded me of Costa's Horse Money, or seemed like it could be one source for Costa's style, a way of presenting historical narrative, giving voice to the unvoiced etc.
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 4 May 2016 19:44 (seven years ago) link
Hilarious quote from Straub.
Glad you liked Sicilia! Ward - source novel is very much worth reading btw (I think its a great visual intro to those landscapes in mid-cent Italian Lit of Pavese, Vittorini, Moravia, Morante)
And Costa worked with Straubs. Some of Haneke's work is very much S/H (Haneke stole the sequence in Egypt in Too Early/Too Late for the end of Hidden)
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 4 May 2016 23:10 (seven years ago) link
some of huillet/straub's films are quite amazing, so it's impossible to dismiss them, but i also find it kind of impossible not to find them (and some of their more ardent supporters like tag gallagher) a bit silly in their conviction that somehow three-hour films of nonactors declaiming communists texts fromthe 1930s while standing in a calabrian forest are going to aid the Revolution.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 5 May 2016 00:04 (seven years ago) link
even in their worst films, there is something undeniably gripping about the way they record sound, the way they frame people and landscape, their cutting rhythms, etc. it's just that the political conceits behind their "program" seem really misguided to me.
actually, one of the better critiques of their recent (by which i mean last 20 years) work is actually in a trotskyite publication of all places. scroll down to about halfway through: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/05/baf3-m20.html
i actually kind of like pedro costa's first two features but otherwise i have to say he seems like something of a charlatan to me. if anything he has all of the huillets' self-seriousness and not enough of their filmmaking skill.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 5 May 2016 00:07 (seven years ago) link
here's another attack on straub and costa from the World Socialist Website critic David Walsh, who despite having some serious blinkers on a lot of time, is not at all a bad critic: https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/25/fic3-m25.html
― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 5 May 2016 00:08 (seven years ago) link
re: Costa being a charlatan. You may or may not like what he is doing but I think his work in the inner cities is deeply felt, committed and comes from a genuine place.
From a scan those pieces don't really give me much to re-think. Looking at the events in mid-70s Portugal from the POV of Cape Verdians is a great way of looking at those events - and carry even more of a charge today, given what is happening in Europe.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:51 (seven years ago) link
re: Straubs. I actually don't see the fuss. From the half-dozen I've seen they seem very watchable and I can only imagine there being other reasons for the difficulty in presenting their work at the BFI. I've seen old arthouse 'classics' in old prints with four fucking people over the years. Seriously, what's the hold up?
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 5 May 2016 07:59 (seven years ago) link
I've been hot and cold on Costa, but i generally found Horse Money hypnotic on first viewing. I am gonna steer clear of the more "declamatory"/lengthy S-H films tho. That leaves enough for me to dip my toe.
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 May 2016 11:19 (seven years ago) link
S-H roundup, including link to Hoberman
https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-jean-marie-straub-and-daniele-huillet
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 May 2016 16:53 (seven years ago) link
and linking this Pinkerton piece on S-H because I walked out on History Lessons at the two-thirds mark last week, feeling Straub wouldn't mind. The Bach film was fine, though.
http://frieze.com/article/we-make-our-films-so-audiences-can-walk-out-them
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link
Only the strong survive Straub-Huillet – and I wouldn’t have shirked the test for all the world.
#maMan
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:14 (seven years ago) link
Although I was just talking abt my struggles with Brecht's prose on ILB.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 May 2016 20:15 (seven years ago) link
Read this as Straub / Huillet romcoms, which would be great.
Although, if anyone can recommend a good place to start with them, that would also be great.
― ed.b, Friday, 20 May 2016 19:18 (seven years ago) link
ed.b, if you still have access to a DVD machine capable of playing Region 2 DVDs, I would recommend this two disc set from New Wave films, which contains Straub-Huillet's biggest hit - Chronicle of Anna Magdalena Bach - and Sicilia!, which xyzzzz astutely recommended above.
Aren't all their films romances?
― Chicamaw (Ward Fowler), Friday, 20 May 2016 19:36 (seven years ago) link
RIP Peter Hutton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rM4V7lAy74M
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/27/movies/peter-hutton-filmmaker-with-austerely-romantic-worldview-dies-at-71.html
― helpless before THRILLARY (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:47 (seven years ago) link
:(
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Tuesday, 28 June 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link
Straub / Huillet retrospective at UC Berkeley, starts on Jan 26, until May 2017
http://www.bampfa.berkeley.edu/program/not-reconciled-cinema-straub-huillet
― sbahnhof, Monday, 2 January 2017 05:41 (seven years ago) link
coming to America
https://thefilmstage.com/news/grasshopper-film-to-release-catalogue-of-legendary-filmmaking-duo-jean-marie-straub-and-daniele-huillet/
http://grasshopperfilm.com/film/straub-huillet-collection/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 April 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link
Yvonne Rainer recommendations?
https://www.filmlinc.org/series/talking-pictures-the-cinema-of-yvonne-rainer/#films
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 July 2017 19:53 (six years ago) link
Journey from Berlin is all I've seen - can't remember much about it, except thinking it was good.
Would so see Madame X. Ulrike Ottinger is really good.
Have fun!
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 19 July 2017 21:15 (six years ago) link
obit roundup for Paul Clipson
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/5371-the-daily-paul-clipson-1965-2018
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 February 2018 18:24 (six years ago) link
RIP Jonas Mekas
http://gothamist.com/2019/01/23/jonas_mekas_avant-garde_film_auteur.php
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 23 January 2019 17:15 (five years ago) link
re: the straub/huillet discussion upthread, full retro happening in london over the next three months: https://www.goethe.de/ins/gb/en/ver.cfm?fuseaction=events.detail&event_id=21471962&
― devvvine, Saturday, 2 March 2019 08:23 (five years ago) link
RIP Barbara Hammer
https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6250-barbara-hammer-s-legacy
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 March 2019 16:21 (five years ago) link
word seems to be spreading that straub has passed
― devvvine, Sunday, 20 November 2022 11:41 (one year ago) link
:-(
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 November 2022 12:59 (one year ago) link
Straub and Godard In the same year, damm. And Rest in Provocation.
― Ward Fowler, Sunday, 20 November 2022 14:00 (one year ago) link
RIP. I saw From the Cloud the the Resistance, Antigone and Machorka-Muff just this year. All amazing, and the first is so singular and strange.
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 20 November 2022 15:58 (one year ago) link
Here's a lovely curated playlist of shorts:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5xOztE613KMOvfW_L5zaa6j3cdLUwO4c
― glumdalclitch, Sunday, 20 November 2022 16:07 (one year ago) link
I have more vivid memories of reading Richard Roud's Straub book than the films themselves, intriguing though they were.I should get around to watching Sicilia!, which James Quant of TIFF was always talking up.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 21 November 2022 03:56 (one year ago) link
couple of days left to catch two, imo, unmissable online retrospectives of female experiemntal filmmakers:
ellie epp on ultra dogme: https://ultradogme.com/2023/08/18/ellie-epp/
jun kurosawa on equinox: https://equinox.film
― devvvine, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 12:24 (seven months ago) link
👍
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 30 August 2023 12:55 (seven months ago) link