Not owning a television: c or d?

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I gave my TV set to friend a couple of years ago. I wasn't watching it much anyway, so I though she had more use for it. However there's one downside to this: since then I've noticed how much people talk about TV shows, and I kinda feel like an outsider during such conversations. Has anyone else had similar experiences?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 13:54 (11 years ago) Permalink

This is about the only thing I'm sort of looking forward to about having been kicked out by my GF. As of May 1, I will have no TV. Life seems richer without it. I lived for several years w/o it before hooking up with my lady, who loves the full cable pkg. I anticipate a much more productive H. Mann.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 13:59 (11 years ago) Permalink

what does the H. stand for?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:00 (11 years ago) Permalink

what does the H. stand for?

Are you bening serious?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

what does the H. stand for?
proof positive of how TV erodes attention spans.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

Nor having a tv makes those moments when you do watch tv a thousand times more interesting. Because tv is completely psychotic. But if you watch it regularly, you get used to it.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:08 (11 years ago) Permalink

you will take my tv and cable package from me when you can pry it from my dead cold fingers.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:09 (11 years ago) Permalink

my friend M. (who collects celebrity undergotch) once told me the he believes he has an "inalienable right to free cable."

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

what does the M. stand for?

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:14 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't watch much TV, really.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

what does the T. stand for?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

It's silent.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:15 (11 years ago) Permalink

I have a TV but no cable. And that's a good thing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't watch much telly.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:16 (11 years ago) Permalink

Telly Savalas?

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:17 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't watch much television.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:18 (11 years ago) Permalink

Maybe once my batch-pad is in full swinging effect, you could come over and we could not watch TV, Telly, or Television, together.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

Does anyone here other than me know what undergotch is?

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:19 (11 years ago) Permalink

it's a deal, H.

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

You know what it is?
I thought I just mashed gotch up against underwear. I guess really, undergotch could be literally WHAT'S UNDER GOTCH. That's gross.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:20 (11 years ago) Permalink

On one hand, TV is evil and takes time away from more useful endeavors, ie., reading, playing music, etc. Almost all of it is horrible and embarassing.

On the other hand, some TV is good, and sometimes you just want to be a lazy bastard and let someone else entertain you without having to do any work at all. Plus, people who carp on about how they never watch TV or don't own a TV or whatever are fucking annoying.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

I need my tv for movie-watching. I love renting movies. I don't know what I'd do without it. Going out to watch movies is so expensive.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:21 (11 years ago) Permalink

I can imagine not having TV, but it's an unpleasant thought. I love (NFL) football and would have to go to a sportsbar or some shit to watch it. I really need to find something else to do with my life.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:22 (11 years ago) Permalink

The first night I had TV after a few years w/o, I stayed up until 5 a.m. watching it.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:24 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oh, she gets the TV, but I get the computer. I guess my idle hours will be spent spewing out lame lame jokes about undergotch to an uncaring ILX world.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:25 (11 years ago) Permalink

Occasionally I get my nuts real close to the tv and get a little static shock.

Chris V. (Chris V), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

Not owning a TV -- neither classic nor dud. Getting more work done, or doing more things you're happy about doing, cause you aren't watching TV -- classic.

People who really strongly self-identify with "not watching TV" (not anyone on this thread just far, just what the title made me think of) -- dud, little different from the "I'm too macho to read books" guys I used to run into.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:26 (11 years ago) Permalink

I was thinking that another thing I could with all that extra time I'll have post-TV is call up people and let them know that I'm not watching TV.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

I am going to get rid of my TV. I am also going to get rid of all my books and records and spend my evenings staring into the corner. I am insane.

j0e (j0e), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

And of course, I'd being in my undergotch.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

If you didn't have TV you wouldn't be able to partake of the Great Canadian tradition of renting Slap Shot and drinking to the point of spontaneous urination.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:28 (11 years ago) Permalink

Fantasic, Horace. Are they Spider Man Underoos? You could always get yourself a TV tuner card.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:30 (11 years ago) Permalink

Nothing wrong with someone not owning a TV simply because they hate it. But I've known at least one person whose non-TV-ownership status was, to them, some kind of position of smug, intellectual superiority, i.e. 'I don't need such tawdry filth in this house.'

That is definitely DUD.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

Undergotch=funny

"Undergotching"=The new pantsing?

Horace=Whose [undergotch] does M have?

Nordicskillz (Nordicskillz), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:33 (11 years ago) Permalink

I need skysports, I need all the Music channels, I need the food channel, I need the Simpsons, I need Globe Trekker. I could go on. I love tv.

chris (chris), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:35 (11 years ago) Permalink

We use gotch and gitch interchangably here. Some guys used to take wedgies to the next level when I was in high school and actually rip the gitch off of guys. Seemed like an expression of latent unresolved gay tendencies.

Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:38 (11 years ago) Permalink

Dud, if only so I can watch Baseball Tonight.

hstencil, Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

Nothing wrong with someone not owning a TV simply because they hate it. But I've known at least one person whose non-TV-ownership status was, to them, some kind of position of smug, intellectual superiority, i.e. 'I don't need such tawdry filth in this house.'

Bingo. This is a huge pet peeve with me for some reason (maybe partly because I was a pop culture major, and am sick of "all TV is crap," which is as sensible as "all writers are Jackie Collins") -- an ex once proudly proclaimed that she had never heard of Leonardo DiCaprio and couldn't pick him out of a line-up ... something she managed to work into casual conversation regularly, to display her "I'm a citizen of Academia, not your world" badge. We were not together long.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:39 (11 years ago) Permalink

i am the man to talk to. i have never had a telly, save for 2 years of my life at uni. (when ed spent most of the time watching news 24). i dont think i've come out of he experience some sort of freak, althoughi did read a lot as a kid, and we used to sit round the radio at night, which is a bit weird. the 'outsider in the school playground' experience, whilst everyone talks about neighbours (or even worse, last nights 'the word' - having the vague impression that something incredibly cool and NOW is happening and not knowing anythoing about it), is all too familiar to me, Tuomas.

ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:42 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't like television. I bought mine so I could watch Buffy and Angel but I don't watch them anymore. I watch MTV about once a fortnight and that's it. MTV's not much better than the radio except there's pretty pictures, there's more R&B/HipHop type stuff, there's less ads and there's no news. Also, it makes me feel like a teenager. I could easily get my once fortnightly MTV fix at a friend's place if I wanted though, so really I have no use for the television.

toraneko (toraneko), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:45 (11 years ago) Permalink

c. I really don't care abt TV anymore. even though i have one.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:46 (11 years ago) Permalink

M. has artifacts of Christina Ricci, Winona Ryder, Pamela Anderson, and Cher.
He's an ebay addict. And, needless to say, a bachelor.

Horace Mann (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 14:49 (11 years ago) Permalink

90% of TV is rubbish, obviously. But it's worth it for that other 10%. It may be rather shallow, but I'd feel incredibly disconnected without out, and I feel disconnected enough already.

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 15:06 (11 years ago) Permalink

without it, even.

I'm still available for proofreading services, BTW. :)

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 15:07 (11 years ago) Permalink

Foir the last three years I've lived in the country, in a little valley that precludes aerial reception, and on a road that has no cable. I could get a dish antenna, but I just draw the line there, for some reason. So am I getting tons more work done? Ha. I just bring my addictive personality here instead.

Methuselah (Methuselah), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 15:25 (11 years ago) Permalink

not owning a TV - classic

thinking that you will engage in loads of improving activities because you don't own a TV - dud

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 15:27 (11 years ago) Permalink

Owning a TV and hardly ever watching it -- classic. I mean, modern TVs make great ornaments!

ChristineSH (chrissie1068), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 15:29 (11 years ago) Permalink

I keep forgetting I have a TV.

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 15:31 (11 years ago) Permalink

I have a TV but rarely watch it. I used to have 'expanded basic' cable, and I got this channnel that showed reruns of Law and Order almost every night and I loved that cuz that's my favorite show. I recently downgraded to just basic cable which is much cheaper, but I haven't seen Law and Order since then. Last night it was on and I got kind of excited, but then I fell asleep before it came on.

Sean (Sean), Wednesday, 9 April 2003 16:13 (11 years ago) Permalink

I don't own a television. Haven't, in fact, ever lived in a household with one except for a few years from the ages of about 13 to 17. I honestly doubt that I'm missing all that much.
However, I can certainly empathize with Tuomas. There have been many times (particularly when I was a wee m. instead of a big M.) that I felt a bit of a pop-culture cripple.

Oh, and that self-righteous smugness that Tep was referring to is definately a huge DUD.

M., Wednesday, 9 April 2003 16:32 (11 years ago) Permalink

Oh yeah cheap LCD tellys are rubbish. I'd rather a decent CRT any day myself. much better blacks.

Bloompsday (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 04:55 (3 years ago) Permalink

me im just cheap lol. i actually 'ordered' a lcd on 'black friday' only to find it 'backordered', took it as a sign. instant relief for buyer's remorse. im a much better black for it :)

tremendoid, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 05:45 (3 years ago) Permalink

I got a Samsung 32" LCD for about £300 a few weeks ago. I've got to say the blacks are pretty good actually, I've certainly had some CRTs in the past which glowed more. It's quite funny the most common comment about modern TVs is the quality of the black, rather than about the colour.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 08:58 (3 years ago) Permalink

Plasma's weirdness is this odd motion blur. I'm not sure if it's only noticable on older imagery - I watch a lot of 90s NTSC DVDs on it and we're PAL here - but you get this strange blurring effect on rapid motion if its a low light scene. Distracting, but not horrible.

Bloompsday (Trayce), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 09:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

About that article, I guess I'm mostly in the "Shrugger" category, with a bit of "Professor". I do like to watch some shows (mostly sitcoms and sci-fi/fantasy series) when I'm visiting friends (at the moment, whenever I'm staying at my gf's, we end up watching "Frasier" because we both love it), but a most of the stuff on the telly I'm either indifferent to (sports, game shows, talks shows with celebrities, police and crime series, soap opera) or find it intolerable (reality tv, talks shows where people's social prolems are made into a spectacle). However, I do understand why others might like those kind of programs, they're just not my thing.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 09:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

Not owning a TV set doesn't really feel like such a "thing" as it did 10 years ago, though. With the Internet I don't feel like I'm missing out on stuff anymore; I can get the news anytime I want, if I really want to watch some show I can probably find it online, and if I'm curious about some weird catchphrase I hear people repeating, I can just search it on Youtube and most likely find a clip that explains it.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 10:02 (3 years ago) Permalink

I am turned off by most programming nowadays, especially fictional television....however, I can't live without it.

Mount Cleaners, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 10:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

i managed to survive the last six months with no tv. i didnt miss it. internet on the other hand....

Michael B, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 10:53 (3 years ago) Permalink

People who have a thing about why other people don't own a television are always talking about this, really not sure why they are so sensitive about it

post, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:12 (3 years ago) Permalink

WHAT ARE YOU, SOME KIND OF WEIRD HIPPIE

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:17 (3 years ago) Permalink

PLUG INTO CULTURE OR BE SHUNNED, YOU BURLAP-WEARING HERMIT

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:18 (3 years ago) Permalink

Trayce, I could be wrong but that sounds like it could be some kind of motion-interpolation processing going on, does it make films look like a 'soap opera', or sped-up?. There's a wikipedia entry which lists the different names manufacturers give it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_interpolation.

Whenever I see a television with this on it, I find it so distracting.

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:19 (3 years ago) Permalink

I find the attitudes expressed in that article really quite mystifying.

I often find that the attitudes projected onto people who "don't own a television" are exactly that - complete projection, the negativity speaking more about the insecurities of the television owner rather than the "refusnik". (Quite similar to the projections attributed to those who choose not to partake in meat or alcohol or whatever else.)

Dude is right, no one ever asks "do you have a television?" but it's so present, the cultural assumption (at least in the west) that you must automatically have one. People *dont* ask "do you have a television" but they're perfectly happy to babble on at you, at great length, in an office or a social occasion, about whatever it was on television last night. I find this automatic assumption that you either have one, or you're some strange Othered weird type just... I dunno. *That* assumption seems way more arrogant and smug and loaded-with-assumptions-about-superiority to me than just saying "actually, I don't have a telly..." to cut off someone before they launch into a two hour monologue of their "mind-blowing" theories about The Wire or The Office or whatever.

At what point did television become such the dominant medium that it become odd *not* to have one? Has "the internet" reached that point of ubiquity, whereby there will be an assumption of deliberate and obstinate weirdness, rather than mere backwardness to refuse to have a Facebook page or whatever?

I mean, when I moved into my current flat, there was nothing - no phone, no television, no internet. I lasted about two years without internet access because I had an office job, but I haven't actually missed television enough to get one (not having the internet was a much more noticable lack, in terms of missing cultural awareness.)

But seriously. I almost always think that when people are "OMG, people who don't X are so snobby and arrogant and smug and think they're better than me!" it's mostly just subconscious self expression.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:29 (3 years ago) Permalink

Has "the internet" reached that point of ubiquity, whereby there will be an assumption of deliberate and obstinate weirdness, rather than mere backwardness to refuse to have a Facebook page or whatever?

totally. it has different implications, though. when i quit facebook some of my friends reacted sort of angrily, like "that's where i put my vacation photos, and talk about my life, so you must not be interested in me" sort of thing. but the funny thing is, most of those people didn't even realize i'd quit until i told them. sometimes months later. confirming my belief that facebook "communication" is usually pretty one-way and there is far less actual engagement there than it seems.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:36 (3 years ago) Permalink

Actually, I thought the article was a lot less about 'people who don't have TVs are arrogant and smug' than such things usually are. I mean, at least two, maybe three of those categories were not particularly condemning. I don't think I've ever really met an 'I don't have a TV' evangelist, either.

they're perfectly happy to babble on at you, at great length, in an office or a social occasion, about whatever it was on television last night

Thing is, this says more about the sort of people you get in office environments than it does about the ubiquity of television. There are way too many channels available now for anyone who isn't a self-obsessed twat to be able to just launch into a monologue about a programme and assume that you know what they're talking about.

At what point did television become such the dominant medium that it become odd *not* to have one?

At least 20 years ago.

Has "the internet" reached that point of ubiquity, whereby there will be an assumption of deliberate and obstinate weirdness, rather than mere backwardness to refuse to have a Facebook page or whatever?

Pretty much, yep.

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

people think you are mental if you dont have sky let alone a tv

Once Were Moderators (DG), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:44 (3 years ago) Permalink

i've had people explain facebook to me as if the reason i'm not on there is that i don't understand how to get on the internet.

estela, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

Everyone I know that doesnt have a tv (probably around 10% of my friends but I think this might gradually be rising because of internet) have rooms that are way nicer due to not being dominated by a tv in the corner

A projector is a nice way of seeing stuff, and is unobtrusive when not in use

post, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:54 (3 years ago) Permalink

You know, I signed up for Facebook just to see the fate of my high school classmates. I loled and then deleted the account, Facebook is boring.

Breezy Summer Jam (MintIce), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:56 (3 years ago) Permalink

I've never met an 'I don't have a TV' evangelist, either, but there's this kind of persistent thread that they *exist* and we should condemn them, or maybe feel guilty if they're around? I dunno.

It's just this idea that people without televisions are odd and weird enough to be categorisable. I quite resent that. (Maybe that's because I don't fall neatly into any of his "categories" - I'm not entirely a "shrugger" or an "effeciency expert" - I mean, effeciency? Me? Ha! However I was initially really impressed by how much more *stuff* I got done when I moved to a house without one. Because when I have a television, I'm really compulsive about it, and find it difficult to stop watching, so it's just an easier choice not to have one around, the way I don't keep chocolate biscuits in my cupboards for exactly the same reason.)

I get that offices are a weird, forced environment, and people are often kind of grasping at straws for human conversation. It's viewed as a de facto conversation starter, kinda like "OMG did you see this o_0 Guardian article" is on the bits of twitter I hang out on.

I think that maybe internet refusnik positions might be slightly different as there has been a tribal tendency to move from one network to the next. That you can counter "OMG you don't have Facebook" with "OMG, you're *still* using Facebook? Get google+, loser")

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

Everyone I know that doesnt have a tv (probably around 10% of my friends but I think this might gradually be rising because of internet) have rooms that are way nicer due to not being dominated by a tv in the corner

this CAN be true but i find that living rooms can lack focus and feel weird without a TV in them. the focus of the room once was the fireplace, then the radio, then TV - take ALL those away and yes it can be nice but you have to put some thought into it or it's sorta awkward.

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 11:59 (3 years ago) Permalink

This is the answer: http://www.rhythmism.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43694

Chewshabadoo, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 12:06 (3 years ago) Permalink

We don't have a TV* but we do have a desktop computer in the living room - we both work in IT and the desk doesn't fit anywhere else in our small flat - and I do feel a bit ashamed of that being the focal point of the living room

(also I hate actually using the computer in that position because the monitor's set up so we can put DVDs etc on* and watch them from the sofa, and if I'm programming or making music I hate feeling that I could be watched, because for me both are a process of repeating stupid mistakes and assembling clichés in the hope that the final product will somehow be greater than whatever tiny idea is in my head at the start of the process)

* yes, we don't have a TV but we watch stuff on the computer. one of the things I find, ahem, lovably asshattish about the other half is that sometimes he announces "we don't have a TV" but in fact spends approx 80% of his evenings watching TV shows on the computer. whereas I read ILX for most of my waking time, which is, uh

the ascent of nyan (a passing spacecadet), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 12:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

At what point did television become such the dominant medium that it become odd *not* to have one?

At least 20 40 years ago.

Michael Bay, CEO of Transformers (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 13:07 (3 years ago) Permalink

Michael Bay, CEO of Transformers (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 13:10 (3 years ago) Permalink

Hi Phil D, you may not be aware of this, but many of the people in the discussion on this thread do not live in America, and the cultural penetration of television may have occured at a different rate in other countries.

I can certainly remember that when I left the UK for the first time, in 1979, it was not *that* odd for kids not to have a television in the house. There were several in my year at school. In the States, it was unheardof.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 13:16 (3 years ago) Permalink

I'm trying to find the figures for the UK but the TV Licensing website is surprisingly unhelpful.

Karen D. Tregaskin, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 13:20 (3 years ago) Permalink

I was answering based on the culture within which I am based, Karen. No need to be patronizing.

Here is a table detailing television ownership in UK households from 1956-2011, in raw numbers, without percentages.

Michael Bay, CEO of Transformers (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 13:27 (3 years ago) Permalink

i didn't have one forever, then a few years ago a friend was moving and i got a nice 42 inch for like 200 bucks. i could have said no, but i was watching so many movies and dvd's of the sopranos and whatnot on my computer monitor it jsut seemed to make sense (also i wanted to get a ps3)

i don't really play games much now that i've finished gta4, but i watch WAY more tv than i used to. it's kinda sad, but tuth is if it wasn't tv it'd be ilx and facebook anyway. plus, what with game of thrones, deadwood, dexter, breaking bad, etc etc i feel like there at least is stuff on that's worth watching these days - last time around i had a tv there wasn't much on besides threes company reruns and cheers.

anyway i tried not to be too obnoxious about not owning a tv when i didn't have one, but people do natter on about that shit, it's kinda annoying when you just don't have one! frankly i'd rather hear about who's getting married cause they're pregnant or whatever!

messiahwannabe, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 14:14 (3 years ago) Permalink

we're making a communal living space where i live and housemate wants a tv, the rest of us are v much against the idea. i hate having a tv in the house and haven't had one for years. still, i feel a bit guilty for denying him his tv rights.

as for this better than you because i don't have a tv attitude. it annoys me about the same as people who say "i don't drink" or "i don't do drugs" or "i don't eat meat". i.e it doesn't annoy me at all, i just think, good for you, hope that's working out.

Crackle Box, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 15:09 (3 years ago) Permalink

You know, I signed up for Facebook just to see the fate of my high school classmates. I loled and then deleted the account, Facebook is boring.

― Breezy Summer Jam (MintIce), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 12:56 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Unlike TV, the "Facebook is boring" dismissal often reads to me like "my friends are boring" (nothing personal, I'm sure your friends are just lovely). Facebook's an interface - a shell - you don't plug it in and wait to be entertained. There are dozens of reasons to avoid Facebook, but "it's boring" doesn't sound like one to me. I saw this old fat git watching nature documentaries on a laptop before a gig (Madness at the Royal Festival Hall - yes, that's right). His t-shirt read "NO I AM NOT ON F*%&ING FACEBOOK!" If he wanted to project himself to the world as an uppity misanthrope (as I suspect he did), then this was the cherry on the icing on the cake.

As for television, ours is an ancient widescreen as heavy as a ten year old child. It makes a supersonic squealing noise when we switch it on. I only really watch DVDs and BBC News on it these days. The missus has it on quite a lot though - Eastenders, Desperate Housewives etc. - which I end up having to tolerate, which is fair enough since I subject her to loud music a lot of the time. That said, the day it packs in I won't be rushing down to Currys to buy a new one. Will however miss watching movies and series of Game Of Thrones on a decent screen, however.

I think TV units as we know them are likely to die out, to be replaced with a home interface linked to a computers around the house.

Post-Manpat Music (dog latin), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:15 (3 years ago) Permalink

There have been a lot of rumblings lately about the possibility of cable television perhaps having reached its final peak in the US, as more people "cut the cord" to save money and because so much entertainment is available via the internet and DVDs. I think this would happen even faster if the US had better internet access -- ironically, the reason we don't is because of cable television (the same cables bring in our internet and television service, and the cable providers still choose to use the bulk of their bandwidth for traditional television programming since they make more money from it). I've seen articles suggesting cable tv subscriptions may be leveling off or dropping slightly.

I haven't had cable for years myself, and at least in the beginning it was sort of an ideological thing although now I'm just used to it. But I've talked to a bunch of people who are a bit younger than me (early to mid 20s) who have absolutely no ideological reason not to have television, but have chosen not to have cable anyway because it's expensive and they can save money by just using a boxee box or whatever.

relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

a year ago in the USA the average cost of cable TV was $75 a month. that is just... crazy

http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/06/news/companies/cable_bill_cost_increase/index.htm

40% chill and 100% negative (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 16:42 (3 years ago) Permalink

i own a very small tv set that has been in my storage closet since, i don't know, hockey playoffs a couple of years ago? (when you couldn't watch hockey online anywhere). i've never had cable in my own home in my entire adult life! whoa! which explains why when i go over to a friend's house and there is cable, i flip channels for an hour like it's going out of style. which is does in an hour.

i would pay for certain shows and even access to whole cable channels if such a thing were available via internet in canada - like, we just got freakin netflix a few months ago and it's remarkably lacking compared to US netflix - TV and internet regulations in this country are pretty o_O at the moment (e.g., corporate monopolies on phone lines and cable, bandwidth choking in full effect, etc.)
i think the screen on my macbookpro is pretty damn good anyway. i guess if i played these new-fangled video games i would think differently.

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 17:23 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't find the "I don't own a TV" people to be weird, but of the four people I've known that don't own one, three of them take every single opportunity to remind me that they don't own one and are "so much better off" without it.

jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 17:37 (3 years ago) Permalink

I haven't had cable for years myself, and at least in the beginning it was sort of an ideological thing although now I'm just used to it. But I've talked to a bunch of people who are a bit younger than me (early to mid 20s) who have absolutely no ideological reason not to have television, but have chosen not to have cable anyway because it's expensive and they can save money by just using a boxee box or whatever.

― relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:30 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

I'm probably about in this group. we had tv at our last place cause our roommates had cable and I only really watched sports + the daily show. I'm not ideologically opposed to tv and if I had infinite money I would probably have a set and cable and watch once in a while. but being that I can get most things I want to watch on my computer anyway, no way I'm gonna bother.

the girl likes the food network a lot, though.

iatee, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 17:43 (3 years ago) Permalink

I don't think I have ever told someone "I don't haveeee a tv" even in periods of my life when I didn't have one. it's not an important thing to me either way. it makes it easier to watch sports, that's about it.

like, I don't think it's a conversation people my age would have with our people our age. not having the internet / a computer / cell phone is a 'thing'. not having a tv is like not having a radio, who cares.

iatee, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

err minus one 'our'

iatee, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 17:50 (3 years ago) Permalink

I think there are fewer big omnipresent tv-related cultural things these days - there's no show that *everyone you know* watches. and if there is it's some easy-to-watch on dvd/online show like mad men.

iatee, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 17:57 (3 years ago) Permalink

I do know a couple of people who refuse to watch "tv shows" and I find this kind of obtuse. Like, the fact that something is broadcast rather than shown in a theater doesn't affect its quality -- I mean ok it means it's serialized, but so was Dickens.

relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 18:05 (3 years ago) Permalink

yeah, i don't get that. except that some people are snobs, of course!

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 18:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

or have no interest in the long-form/serialized drama

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 18:30 (3 years ago) Permalink

if I'm curious about some weird catchphrase I hear people repeating, I can just search it on Youtube and most likely find a clip that explains it.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, July 12, 2011 3:02 AM (8 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

kinder, Tuesday, 12 July 2011 18:40 (3 years ago) Permalink

That explains why we haven't heard from him as much lately.

relentlessly googling hipster (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 12 July 2011 18:48 (3 years ago) Permalink

10 months pass...

A child's view:

http://minimalmac.com/post/18189678921/tv-is-broken

(more on commercial/broadcast/cable television than on television, I guess)

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Thursday, 31 May 2012 14:55 (2 years ago) Permalink

people who hate on people who don't have tvs are the worst most self-satisfied clowns

coal, Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:00 (2 years ago) Permalink

One of the weird things I find in lunchroom conversations is that people who have cable (and btw, more people than I would think do not have it) tend to talk extensively about shows they don't even like that much. TV in a non-on-demand format is so much about just having something to watch/talk about. It's like you never break out of Saturday morning cartoons mode (oh, Gummi Bears is on, I don't like it that much but this cereal is really good).

this guy's a gangsta? his real name's mittens. (Hurting 2), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:07 (2 years ago) Permalink

That piece should have been titled "Stupid Child Doesn't Know What Advertising Is, and Stupid Parent is Too Stupid To Explain."

Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

The child btw at least has the excuse of being four years old.

Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:08 (2 years ago) Permalink

There are also commercials on Hulu.

Brony! Broni! Broné! (Phil D.), Thursday, 31 May 2012 15:09 (2 years ago) Permalink


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