The Top 100 English Language Films of All Time (With Commentary)

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jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

to a theater near us?

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

golly!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

okay, so i have #1-50 done...should i post them now or wait until i finish the whole list?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

Smack it up flip it up rub it down OOOOH NOOOOOOO!

(translation: do whatcha gotta do jess)

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Post now. Reading the whole 100 at one time would fry my noggin.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

No. 1: Dude, Where's My Car?

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

alright i'll do them in batches of 20 at a time:

20. Super Mario Bros. – This is like if they let the guy who directed Tetsuo: The Ironman make a Dig Dug or Bionic Commando movie.

19. Robocop – Best science fiction film ever. Also, best satire.

18. Night of the Lepus – GIANT FUCKING KILLER BUNNIES.

17. Body Heat – This film makes me hella uncomfortable: like your mom teaching 8th grade health class.

16. Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Fizzactory– They were eating rotisserie chicken.

15. The Chase (1994)– Makes Bullitt look like Driving Miss Daisy.

14. The Hobbit (Rakin/Bass versh) – Classic children’s fantasy tale populated by Precious Moments figurines melted under heat lamps.

13. Clueless – The Birth of a Nation of my generation. To hell with poverty!

12. Tommy Boy – When big fat Brian Dennehey dies it makes me cry nearly every time.

11. Enemy Mine – White spaceman and Louis Gossett Jr. - looking like an Admiral Ackbar knockoff or Miles Davis with severe sunburn peel - on a desolate barren wasteland planet for two hours. Cue “The Living Years.”

10. DC Cab – Joel Schumacher should have killed himself after this. (Why was the word “Schumacher” in my Word spell check already?)

9. Disorderlies – The only good film ever made by rappers.

8. One Crazy Summer – Normally I loathe 80s “teen” movies (John Hughes is high on the list of people I would kill if the law allowed), and yet and yet. A film so inept it can’t decide for its duration whether or not it wants to be high satire or earnestly serious, landing it in this underpopulated interzone of honestly artistically conflicted C-level crap. Also, made by the guy who would go on to make Eek The Cat.

7. Good Burger – I have three rules for avoiding a film: 1. Dabney Coleman, 2. Sinbad, 3. Anything starring an 80s “female comedienne” (Rita Rudner, etc.) This film manages to violate one of those rules and still come away in the plus column.

6. MVP 2: Most Vertical Primate – Children’s entertainment so starched and sanitized it forgoes plot, characterization, wit, dialogue, the works. I’m not even sure if anything actually happens in this film. Also, skateboarding monkeys.

5. Gremlins 2 – Bleak and fearful of our mechanized future as Phil Dick or Will Gibson, in it’s way.

4. Troll – Possibly the culmination of all ancillary endeavor in the field of “horror.” Also: kindly midgets.

3. PCU – 2nd greatest collegiate film of all time. The textbook definition of “hospitable world.”

2. Hot To Trot – Greatest talking animal movie of all time (which should really make it the greatest film ever, but hey), with the two greatest comedic actors of my lifetime. (And Glbert Gottfried.)

1. Back To School – 1st greatest collegiate film of all time, as well as the most perfect film ever made. Not a second of film wasted, a model of tightly controlled narrative & character development and comedic timing. Also: cod new wave references, bar fights, deans who squeal like pigs, crusty old academic nemesiseses. So what? So let’s dance! They could uncover the fourth reel of the Magnificent Ambersons tomorrow and it still wouldn’t mean a goddamn thing with prints of this film still in existence.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, "you look like the poster boy for birth control!"

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

The only good film ever made by rappers.

So you don't consider Shaq a rapper?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

Tommy Boy is pretty darn affecting.

Mr. Diamond (diamond), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

(it's raining today, in case you couldn't figure that out. i'm still gonna try and venture outside for a while. more later.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I so knew this was coming!

M Matos (M Matos), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

NEED MORE JESS...MORE!!!!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

IRONY IS GOING WAY TOO FAR, STOP THE MADNESS NOW. Except for the Back to School thing, I am all for supporting that.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ally, can you do the Triple Lindy?

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

ommission of Half-Baked = unforgiveable

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm not being ironic!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

Whatever.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

sir i direct you to reconsider your ommission of HALF BAKED!

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:51 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's why it's gone too far, jess.

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

If you're not being ironic, I have to assume you've only seen 50 movies.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best list evah.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

give jess some credit, at least he didn't list Star Wars #1, like so many feebs of our generation.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

amateurist we can't all appreciate art made by our grandparents more than that made by our peers

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:54 (twenty-one years ago) link

best mood ever!!

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jess Tears Down Canon, Western Civilization with Daring Trash-Oriented List of His Favorite Movies
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39027000/jpg/_39027407_abfab-bbc-203index.jpg

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

is this thing ON? the discussion seems to be moving further from Half Baked every minute.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I have to admit though, I had never heard of MVP 2 and just thinking about it frightens me.

Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

People who like the Bizkit and Good Charlotte are making fun of Back to School?!

Ally (mlescaut), Thursday, 17 April 2003 18:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

OFFICE SPACE RULES U ALL!!!!!

SplendidMullet (iamamonkey), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

movies that I know I like on that list:

Back To School (it's GREAT! I know, Ally! I'm a big fan of the dude that played his son. In Dressed To Kill he had my haircut, and NOBODY has my haircut)
the flashback to Freshman year scene in PSU
John "Clamp" Glover in Gremlins 2
Clueless
a scene or two in Tommy Boy
Robocop

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

PCU not, PSU. And hair, not haircut.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

The wittle alien in Enemy Mine is so cute! Best use of Louis Gossett Jr. in a movie yet.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:07 (twenty-one years ago) link

fine.

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

and Hot To Trot SUCKS. I rented that on an ironic whim a couple years ago. It's hell. It even has "Shooting Dirty Pool" by the Replacements in it, reaffirming its assyness.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:09 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've just called Blockbuster and had them reserve me a copy of MVP 2 which I'll pick up on the way home. I bet they're laughing right now..."DUDE! Somebody just called to reserve MVP 2!!! Muahaha!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess's lame film school-y "acceptable" top 20 for amateurist:

20. Empire Strikes Back
19. Ladri di bicicelette (you get extra points if you use the original language titles...take note all you collegiate types)
18. Terminal USA
17. Glengarry Glenn Ross
16. Do The Right Thing
15. Casablanca
14. The Conversation
13. Silence of the Lambs
12. Meet John Doe
11. Goodfellas
10. The Apu Trilogy
9. Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?
8. Goldfinger
7. Blade Runner
6. Touch of Evil
5. 8 1/2 (or La Dolce Vita...i can't decide)
4. Raging Bull
3. Pinocchio
2. Ikiru
1. The Rules of the Game

see, boring!! yes, yes, i can say that most of these films are better "made" and more "valuable" to humanity than my other list, but i don't want to WATCH them as often, so how is my first list any less "true"?

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

what no regle du jeu?

mark s (mark s), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Five Movies I Watch Most Often:

1. Rounders
2. Dave
3. All the President's Men
4. Raising Arizona
5. Pee-Wee's Big Adventure

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

The Apu Trilogy is not boring! And some of those movies would definitely be laughed out of any "serious film school" discussion.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

sorry mark, i wussed out of going to imdb and looking up the french

anyway, i really hate movies and it's an effort to even get me to watch most of them

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your list just reminded me of someone shooting their dad in the eye with a squirt gun to get attention.

Amateurist (amateurist), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

anyway, i really hate movies and it's an effort to even get me to watch most of them

this, more than any other reason you may bring up, is why spending $80K on film school was a bad idea.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Fletch and Fletch 2. I watch them constantly.

Jeanne Fury (Jeanne Fury), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

jess, I think there's a fertile middle ground between your list and 'amateurist's' list. Such as, Raising Arizona, Airplane, Trading Places, Mr. Mom, etc.

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

it wuz film school whut did this to me!!

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

and REAL GENIUS!

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

And how the hell could you leave off Airborne? Studly surfer comes to Ohio and teaches the bullies to love through rollerblading. C'mon now.

(Yes, hstencil, YES)

oops (Oops), Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

naw, jess, it's not film school's fault. Hell, I know people who work in the film industry who still love movies, and the industry's like a bazillion times more exasperating/depressing than film school.

hstencil, Thursday, 17 April 2003 19:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Since I don't think Sarah is reading this thread, I'll just say that Sarah McLusky's mom went to school with Stephen Tobolowsky. They were on the debate team together.

Nick A. (Nick A.), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

You might be right, H. Maybe he's passed underrated and ventured into rated. He consistently makes me laugh, even in horrible movies (ahem... Saving Silverman?), and he's fantastic in Out of Sight.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

In this sense more than anything else -- a 'genre' film (like a genre book or whatever) is usually/automatically seen as somehow inferior to the vaunted 'tales of real life' that are the standard by which everything else is measured. Showgirls isn't a 'fantasy' film or a 'mystery' film or the like as defined by the mainstream but it is part of a particular genre/subset of films and stories -- breathless ingenue tries to make it big (A Star is Born is one take on it, certainly) -- that is often seen as its own dumb cliche. I'm not trying to say I agree with this take, but it is the kind of kneejerk response that can happen and does happen.

In the case of this film in particular, I seem to remember you arguing that Verhoeven/Eszterhas knew the genre and its cliches well and were trying to subvert it -- personally I think that's reading too much into it and it's just an extremely dumb movie (and entertaining on that level because it's so bad) made by people who regard themselves as smarter than the material (though in this case I find the blame will always lie with Eszterhas more). So maybe I wasn't initially clear with my point, but I think we both agree that Showgirls's story is generic and that the creators knew it was generic, and that dismissing the film as horrible because of its genre would be a bad move.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sarah McLusky's mom went to school with Stephen Tobolowsky.

That totally rules!

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never made the argument you mention, Ned. In fact I'm typically pretty averse to any analysis that involves the word "subvert" in some fashion.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel like I'm getting carciatured as Mr. Film Studies, which is funny since I never went to film school nor did I major in film as an undergrad. First Jess draws up some imagined list of what I would endorse as the greatest movies of all time (about which I could care less) and now I'm being credited with some asinine Film Studies 101 argument about Showgirls being "subversive" that I never made.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:25 (twenty-one years ago) link

In the words of Xenia Onatopp, "Stop it -- you're like boys with toys!"

If you would all write in the active voice and leave the straw men at home you would get into fewer of these arguments.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I never made the argument you mention, Ned.

Hm, in that case I do apologize, because I thought you had done something similar on a previous thread. I was not trying to put words in your mouth! I only recalled that being your take.

leave the straw men at home

But they are friends! I create armies of them and they follow me around. It's a pity when they get wet in the rain, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

ha ha!

They really are like some of our best friends sometimes.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

I feel that Jess and Ned are caricaturing me as Mr. Film Studies. I think Showgirls is a good film (not great) not because it subverts the conventions of the girl-makes-it-big genre but because it applies them so faithfully to the milieu of Las Vegas and does so with remarkable visual panache. I think that Film Studies prizes altogether to much the idea of "subversiveness" without being clear on why that should be a prized value, or without even having much sense of what it is they want to subvert and why.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

I might have set up Jess as a straw man. I'm sure he does enjoy the film she listed and for the reasons he mentions. I guess I just felt that titling the list "The Top 100 English Language Films of All Time" smacked of adolescent provocation but the fact that I was provoked (even mildly) says more about me than it does about Jess, perhaps.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

film she = films he

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:42 (twenty-one years ago) link

Felicity you keep me honest.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

The straw men are like what Barry Sobel describes in LA as what you have instead of friends: "people who are like, your friends."

felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Has anyone else noticed the biggest omission from this list?

Jaws.

j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

Because we're all ghosts in the machines, Amateurist. ;-) Anyway, if the key point is that it's a 'faithful' reapplication, then I'm just not seeing that particular virtue. Subversion may be overrated but conscious recreation/reapplication could be its equally overrated counterbalance in the end, at least for me. As for 'panache,' eh -- not in this case. But someone like Baz Luhrmann, say, probably would have made it all the more skullpoundingly crazy, and not necessarily for the better. Again, I just think it's a big bad dumb movie, and that's reason enough to enjoy. ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ned if you continue with the smiley faces I will strangle you.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

It's like you're not confident in your own arguments.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Uh, no, that's not the case. I'm just terribly and possibly obnoxiously self-amused.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:53 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry I'm so testy today.

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

The smileys are like, the straw men, agreeing with Ned.

felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 15:59 (twenty-one years ago) link

No worries, Amateurist. We all have those days!

The smileys are like, the straw men, agreeing with Ned.

Yay! My army of pixels!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

THIS IS MY STRAW MAN SHOW ME YOURS :)

felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

:)

felicity (felicity), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:03 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE!

Felicity in Bevan-avatar shockah! ;-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 18 April 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

maybe all you knucklebrains who are actually trying to "argue" my list should get your own thread to be boring in

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I own 0 movies, but If I could only own one it would be Kingpin. Or maybe Cannonball Run. Or Dazed and Confused. Donnie Darko is my other favorite movie, but I wouldn't really need to see it again.

Kris (aqueduct), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:20 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm sorry for interrupting the self-satisfaction [/self-satisfaction]

Amateurist (amateurist), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:24 (twenty-one years ago) link

Who is this bitch likes 13 Ghosts?! Eh?!

Ally (mlescaut), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am that bitch.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 18 April 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Yanc3y, I love your friend from Galaxy Quest! He's so cute.

I liked Python a lot. Point Break was pretty good despite the prescence of Lori Petty and Anthony Keidis. Love Times Square, obviously. Foxes and Starstruck, too.

Lori Metcalf was so great in Making Mr. Right. Why'd she have to go and waste 10 years on Roseanne? That is all.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Center Stage woooooooooooooooo! I actually rented this dvd with a friend while in San Fran (and I watched the director's commentary). We tried to play a drinking game where we would drink when an eating disorder is mentioned, drink when Peter Gallagher's eyebrows do something weird, drink when someone says "dream". Oddly enough the word "dream" is only said 1-2 times near the end. And we absolutely chugged during the ballet porn-lite.

Carey (Carey), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

this thread makes me wanna dig my nails in to my face and pull downward. only because none of yers are in reach. arrrggh!!!!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh wait, that is not all. I forgot to mention that my friend Victor worked on Stargate and he told me that Jaye Davidson's character (the alternate reality Egyptian hermaphrodite deity) was originally supposed to speak English but Jaye kept nodding out so they dubbed in some alternate reality Egyptian hermaphrodite diety lingo. I really, really miss Jaye Davidson. Even though he was horrible to me when I was a bartender.

Arthur (Arthur), Friday, 18 April 2003 20:17 (twenty-one years ago) link

eight months pass...
The top 5 worste movies between 2000-2003 :
1.freddy vs jason it was a dissapointment
2.daredevil it was not like the old comixs
3.the matrix reloaded compared to the matrix it sucked
4.the hulk it was so dumb
5.jason x it made no sense

Ryan Skinner, Thursday, 15 January 2004 03:59 (twenty years ago) link

I agree with Anthony's comment three up... but fwiw, at least I didn't have to get through another list thread that had, y'know, lists in it.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 05:50 (twenty years ago) link

i can't understand how Ghostbusters 2 can be considered better than Ghostbusters

ryan (ryan), Thursday, 15 January 2004 05:59 (twenty years ago) link

I agree, that is preposterous.

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 January 2004 06:01 (twenty years ago) link

um, hello...vibrating gelatin that reacts to emotions!

fiddo centington (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 15 January 2004 06:03 (twenty years ago) link

“Vhy em I dreeping vit goo?”

"Janusz," Ghostbusters 2

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 15 January 2004 06:06 (twenty years ago) link

"On Our Own" = better than anything on the GB1 sdtk. (... except "Magic").

Eric H. (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 January 2004 06:59 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Coming back to this one (God help me). I don't care if this list is ironic (which it is, and I need to see you make a list of Top 100 Non-English Language Films before I'll think otherwise), genuine, anti-amateurist or what-evah. All I can say with total and utter honesty is:

Anyone who thinks Poltergeist II is better than Poltergeist = one dumb fucking bitch.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Saturday, 31 January 2004 01:52 (twenty years ago) link

this thread just keeps on giving.

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 31 January 2004 01:59 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
this thread is classic.

yanc3y, who does yr friend play in 'ed'? they show tht during half-term here, ch4, I remember enjoying it.

cozen (Cozen), Friday, 20 February 2004 03:23 (twenty years ago) link

one year passes...
enemy mine is a wierd, heavy movie.

f--gg (gcannon), Tuesday, 8 March 2005 10:23 (nineteen years ago) link

one month passes...
Henry & June

miccio (miccio), Friday, 29 April 2005 02:55 (nineteen years ago) link

“Vhy em I dreeping vit goo?”

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 29 April 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

"oh, pussywillow..."

miccio (miccio), Friday, 29 April 2005 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

My anger over Poltergeist II has surprisingly not muted one bit in the interim.

Eric von H. (Eric H.), Friday, 29 April 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago) link


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