TS: brown liquor vs. clear liquor

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I love a girl who loves her whiskey. I cringe when someone orders a vodka martini.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Sunday, 3 October 2004 04:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Where does tequila fall in this hierarchy?

Laura E (laurae55), Sunday, 3 October 2004 04:51 (nineteen years ago) link

depends on the type of tequila, ive seen some pretty muddy tequila.

i still drank it though.

darragh.mac (darragh.mac), Sunday, 3 October 2004 04:53 (nineteen years ago) link

Tequila is ambrosial gold. I like people 20% more when they like tequila.

Laura E (laurae55), Sunday, 3 October 2004 04:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Tequila is the odd bird. Sometimes it's clear, and other times it's merely beige, but it's flavor is so distinct, and liking it a lot takes such a commitment, that I'd say brown.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Sunday, 3 October 2004 04:57 (nineteen years ago) link

But by the latter criteria, gin (which is CLASSIC) would also be brown.

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 3 October 2004 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Vodka is my drink of choice. I've never been able to stomach more flavoursome liquor.

Andrew (enneff), Sunday, 3 October 2004 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

vodka is also good.

I also occasionally drink whisky, though, so I'm not a 100% clear-drinks person.

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 3 October 2004 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

I have to have vodka with shitloads of mixer or it makes me gag. Gin and tonic is great, but whisky is king. Rum is also good. So brown.

Wooden (Wooden), Sunday, 3 October 2004 14:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Rum, of course, crosses the clear/brown divide.

Sudden flashback to last New Year's Eve: walking along the street with friends, swigging dark rum out of the bottle and shouting YARR, ME HEARTIES at frequent intervals - on our way to the city-centre church graveyard where we'd arranged to meet everyone for midnight.

caitlin (caitlin), Sunday, 3 October 2004 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm not very down with the brown, although I aspire to be.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 3 October 2004 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Both and neither. Whisky and gin = top stuff, brandy and whiskey = good, vodka = neutral, tequila and both sorts of rum = only if the others are unavailable.

Ricardo (RickyT), Sunday, 3 October 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I go with brown. When I see clear liquors I have a hard time believing they're any different from each other, even though I can sometimes taste the difference. In particular, I have a hard time believing there's "good" and "bad" vodka. Generally I'd rather have whiskey or tequilla any day, but gin can be good.

Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 4 October 2004 03:08 (nineteen years ago) link

the difference btwn good and bad vodka is purity.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Monday, 4 October 2004 03:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Brown.

Gold Teeth, why do you want a girl who loves her whiskey?

I don't like girls that drink. My lady likes Bloody Marys and can barely handle two of 'em. I'm not interested in getting into any drinking contests with the woman I'm involved with. Next thing you know you're arm wrestling.

roger adultery (roger adultery), Monday, 4 October 2004 03:51 (nineteen years ago) link

whiskey, tequila, period.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 4 October 2004 03:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't want to arm wrestle, but since she started dating me, my girl has started ordering whiskey neat at a bar with confidence and authority. Hott.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Monday, 4 October 2004 03:57 (nineteen years ago) link

brown! unless there's an open bar on something else, i usually drink bourbon on the rocks. which is probably a little too manly for my persona.

phil-two (phil-two), Monday, 4 October 2004 04:05 (nineteen years ago) link

nah, I'm a huge unmanly wimp and my favorite drinks are tequila or whisky, straight-up.

Remy (x Jeremy), Monday, 4 October 2004 04:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I go with the clears, but only because the hangovers are less bad. In terms of taste, I'm definitely with the browns, but they make me hurt too much the next day.

That said, my new favourite drink in the world is buttershots, which is sort of butterscotch coloured. Yummmmm.

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 4 October 2004 08:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Generally more of a brown girl, but any porto in a stormo.

What about GREEN? Yuck absinthe.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 4 October 2004 09:59 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, but Midori! Creme De Menthe! Erm...

Danger Whore (kate), Monday, 4 October 2004 10:00 (nineteen years ago) link

erm, surely this thread should be brown liquor versus colourless liquor. as the brown liquors are also clear, unless they are not obviously.

Ed (dali), Monday, 4 October 2004 10:16 (nineteen years ago) link

you cringe, when someone orders a vodka martini?

RJG (RJG), Monday, 4 October 2004 10:21 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah. Not so much because it's clear, but because it's not even a martini. If you want vodka, shoot it or mix it, but don't call it a martini. And also, don't shit in my mouth and call it a sundae.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

What about GREEN? Yuck absinthe.

Pernod! It's not just alcohol, it's punishment!

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 03:06 (nineteen years ago) link

BTW: I love a good martini. Love it. Drink 'em all night. As good as the best scotch, when made right. I like an olive or two, but a "dirty" martini with olive juice in it is for amateurs.

Gold Teeth II (kenan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 03:25 (nineteen years ago) link

a vodka martini is a vodka martini.

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:41 (nineteen years ago) link

As much as I want to love brown liquor, my new booze of choice is Grey Goose vodka. It's hard to beat for buzz and minimal hangover.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link

I don't understand Grey goose vodka.

1) It has a realy dull tatse
2) It's french and as good as the french reputation for many kinds of booze i just don't reckon the french have got a handle on the voska thing. It's on a par with the Rachmaninov or Tolstoy vodka you get in Lidl.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I only recently switched from Stoli, but isn't Vodka supposed to be dull tasting? I've also been drinking my housemate's 'Vigor' vodka which he brought back from Turkey - it's noticeably harsher...

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:07 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not that I don't like vodka, it's just that there's generally something else to drink. Like whisky.

Matt (Matt), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Stoi is a good standby but fairly uninteresting (much cheaper than goose anyway). Russki Standard, Flagman and Seven feet are good russians (all of which I've seen in UK supermarkets son't know about the us). All fairly rounded and full bodied. Finlandia is a good standby that's availible everywhere. SPutnk is a great mixing vodka, very similar to stoli but it has a better label.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 08:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Liqour is RUBBISH. It's just a watery parsley sauce. Anyone who orders liquor as opposed to lovely lovely GRAVY on their pie and mash is a peon (no offence to my great friend who does but she is American and cannot justifiably be expected to know the noble troof of pies + mash + gravy innit).

Starry (hello chickens), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 09:16 (nineteen years ago) link

Congeners are toxic byproducts of distillation and fermentation. These chemical impurities are the substances responsible for giving each drink its individual taste, color and aroma. Congeners do not cause drunkenness, but do add to your hangover.

Some spirits are higher in congeners than others. Red wine, brandies, and whiskies are usually higher than other types of alcohol. Each spirit has its own identifying congeners which give it a unique flavor. The liver must process these, so it is best to avoid mixing your spirits.

The distillation process has a direct relation to the amount of congeners found in your spirits. The pot still is generally used to produce high end brandies, malt whiskies, and dark rums for example. These are more flavorful as they contain more congeners. The Coffey still, developed in the early 19th century, is a continuous column still where most congeners are removed and almost pure ethanol is produced. This is also known as a neutral spirit. To reduce or eliminate remaining impurities this distilled alcohol can now be diluted, filtered through charcoal, and then rectified (redistilled). Many distillers now combine both methods of distillation to give the end product the best of both worlds.

In 1999, Jeffrey Wiese of the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in San Francisco and colleagues from the University of California, San Francisco, began investigating a series of studies on hangovers that began in 1965. In one experimental setting, 33 percent of patients who consumed 1.5 g/kg of body weight of bourbon experienced a severe hangover. However, only 3 percent of those who drank the same amount of vodka experienced the same.*

A rule of thumb is the clearer your spirit, the fewer congeners it has, and the less severe the hangover. Highly filtered vodkas generally contain the smallest amount. Another tip is in the price of your spirits. The cheaper it is, the less it has been processed to remove the impurities.

*Source: The Annals of Internal Medicine, June 6, 2000

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:19 (nineteen years ago) link

Also see

http://cocktails.about.com/library/weekly/aa010599.htm

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I agree entirely with what RickyT said, but then I think we agree on everything anyway so that's largely unsurprising.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:31 (nineteen years ago) link

six years pass...

http://s3.amazonaws.com/production.taigan/item_photos/photos/000/056/884/detail_Moonshine.jpg

i've never had moonshine before. so imna try some of this over the weekend

Aerosol, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:12 (thirteen years ago) link

Liqour is RUBBISH. It's just a watery parsley sauce. Anyone who orders liquor as opposed to lovely lovely GRAVY on their pie and mash is a peon (no offence to my great friend who does but she is American and cannot justifiably be expected to know the noble troof of pies + mash + gravy innit).
― Starry (hello chickens), Tuesday, October 5, 2004 9:16 AM (6 years ago)

what the shit does this even mean

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:23 (thirteen years ago) link

take it fuckin easy Aerosol, that shit sneaks up on you

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:25 (thirteen years ago) link

The main dish sold is pie and mash; a minced beef pie and mashed potato served with a generous helping of liquor (a type of parsley sauce). Liquor has a green colour which is derived from the parsley(not alcohol).

This is some for-fuck's-sake bullshit, jjj.

kkvgz, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:28 (thirteen years ago) link

it's some hipster moonshine fwiw xp

Aerosol, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:30 (thirteen years ago) link

This is is commonly called eel liquor sauce or liquor (although it is non-alcoholic) because it is traditionally made using the water kept from the preparation of the stewed eels.

Eels.

kkvgz, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:36 (thirteen years ago) link

lol yeah it's 80 miserable proof, this is like the schwag of moonshines

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:37 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah that proof seems like its more designed to rinse out and sterilize the bottles that they put the real moonshine in tbh

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:42 (thirteen years ago) link

fill yr bong w/that stuff imo

five gone cats from Boston (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:43 (thirteen years ago) link

is this a good place to talk about how i hate rum? because seriously fuck rum

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:44 (thirteen years ago) link

made in lolwilliamsburgle i believe

Aerosol, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

nooooooooooo

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:45 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't know why white whiskey is suddenly trendy but it is. actually bought a bottle the other day, it.....has its uses but not all that many.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:46 (thirteen years ago) link

that could explain it because where i live there is no nice weather so xpost

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

xp thx man!!

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 March 2011 19:57 (thirteen years ago) link

i don't know why white whiskey is suddenly trendy but it is. actually bought a bottle the other day, it.....has its uses but not all that many.
― call all destroyer, Thursday, March 17, 2011 7:46 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

because it doesn't take months to years to barrel and eventually sell it. also it goes along w/the whole oldie timey pre prohibition/americana trendiness.

i've had a white manhattan and i wasn't super enthused. also the bartender at the bar they mention in the article was a total dickhole, so maybe it tainted what i thought about the drink.
http://sfist.com/2010/05/07/sfist_drinks_the_white_manhattan_at.php

jaxon, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:05 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i def get why it's being produced, less so why it's being consumed. i lurk on a bourbon board and listening to those guys go on about this stuff is fucking hilarious.

i was curious about that recipe! need the dolin blanc. also abt. n. white, i've seen a few of his drink recipes out there.

call all destroyer, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:08 (thirteen years ago) link

white whiskey is 4 chumps & pseuds

deal with it

nu rave electro banger coked out art school college party (Lamp), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:17 (thirteen years ago) link

it's probably harder to make good rum drinks than good gin/whiskey/tequila drinks, but it can be done and it pretty awesome.

tremendoid, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:25 (thirteen years ago) link

i like scotch cause it tastes like what i thought booze always tasted like growing up. first 'drink' i ever had was bourbon (snuck into a cup of coffee tbf), made me think alcohol was just not a viable option for me

tremendoid, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:28 (thirteen years ago) link

i can never do more than tolerate vodka, and it starts tasting worse the more you drink it wtf

tremendoid, Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:30 (thirteen years ago) link

is that our darraghmac posting back in 2004?

like Fat Ronaldo but without the goals (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:32 (thirteen years ago) link

likely. Was i being a dick?

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:44 (thirteen years ago) link

u were mod shakin iirc

O_o-O_0-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:45 (thirteen years ago) link

drinking tequila. didn't realise you'd been here that long

like Fat Ronaldo but without the goals (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:46 (thirteen years ago) link

didnt realise i was drinkin tequila that long tbph

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:49 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah there's a reason for that

like Fat Ronaldo but without the goals (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:50 (thirteen years ago) link

nah dont really f/w the stuff. Whiskey in all its forms.

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Thursday, 17 March 2011 20:56 (thirteen years ago) link

i always thought i didn't like rum either, but recently went to the fucking raddest tiki bar in sf called Smuggler's Cove. i thought tiki drinks were just totally sweet and nasty, but the bartender was great. i told him i usually drank whiskeys but i wanted to open my horizons and he made me a drink up on the spot w/rum. something he didnt even know what it was, but it was pretty great. he also steered me towards some more trad juice based tiki drinks that weren't too sweet and fucking fantastic. he was also a really nice guy and answered some of my noob home bartender questions and even steered me towards a really great tiki iphone app. totally recommended http://beachbumberry.com/tiki-app/

and the whole other thing w/rum and tiki bars is that you think the whole hawaiian shirts, pirate ship, lounge music theme is silly, but if you really think about it, so is prohibition stuff, dudes w/curly mustaches and vests or suspenders. it's all an act. disneylandish.

jaxon, Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:11 (thirteen years ago) link

Liqour is RUBBISH. It's just a watery parsley sauce.

As in pot liquor (or pot likker)?

Ivana Boob-Reduction (j.lu), Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:49 (thirteen years ago) link

Finally started a batch of this piss-colored liqueur today.

lowfat dry milquetoast (WmC), Thursday, 17 March 2011 21:54 (thirteen years ago) link

Word! u gotta make me some of that pronto

Aerosol, Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

I

Aerosol, Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:24 (thirteen years ago) link

Rum + Watermelon juice = awesome

in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I have yet to come up with an appropriate name for this concoction. currently going with Tropical Chachi

in my world of suggest bans (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

rum is great all u haters are crazy

just sayin, Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:26 (thirteen years ago) link

I like it the rum.

lowfat dry milquetoast (WmC), Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:33 (thirteen years ago) link

Haha that shit is crazy (and seems to be super popular in my neighbourhood for some reason) it tastes p much like lighter fluid iirc

just sayin, Thursday, 17 March 2011 22:46 (thirteen years ago) link

weird. went out last night and the bar had a drink w/white rye in it. bartender let me try it. so nasty. burned my lips and tasted like tequilla

jaxon, Friday, 18 March 2011 16:40 (thirteen years ago) link

spent last night sipping 12 yr macallan

the '' key on my keybord is not working (darraghmac), Friday, 18 March 2011 16:51 (thirteen years ago) link

I've tried Buffalo Trace's "White Dog" version, which is just the unbarreled, unaged product. I could drink it, although it lacks flavor and is pretty sweet. I don't understand why people are paying higher prices for this shit than aged liquor. It's a product that's easier to make!

mh, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:29 (thirteen years ago) link

yeah i'm hearing these white dogs make for ok sipping with an american pale ale accompaniment, which could be decent for those nights

call all destroyer, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:37 (thirteen years ago) link

There is nothing better than a good whiskey/beer combo, imo.

mh, Friday, 18 March 2011 17:44 (thirteen years ago) link

i've had a white manhattan and i wasn't super enthused. also the bartender at the bar they mention in the article was a total dickhole, so maybe it tainted what i thought about the drink.
http://sfist.com/2010/05/07/sfist_drinks_the_white_manhattan_at.php

― jaxon, Thursday, March 17, 2011 4:05 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ok i made this:

1.5 oz death's door white whisky
.5 oz dolin blanc
.5 oz. benedictine
3 dashes orange bitters

it's interesting, and not half bad although something in the finish is off for me. benedictine is fairly difficult to mix with imo--i'd be curious to try this with all dolin, or with cointreau or maraschino or something else instead.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:19 (thirteen years ago) link

what's benedictine like? wiki calls it a medicinal aromatic herbal beverage. is it similar to like fernet or something? my new recent favorite purchase is allspice pimento dram. super spiced. wonderful for winter cocktails, but in every recipe i've followed i've had to cut it by at least half. it's super overpowering.

the lion's tail from here is outstanding, but i cut the pimento in half and the lime almost in half (the wife can't deal w/citrus all that well)
http://drinkboston.com/2008/05/21/i-say-pimento-you-say-allspice/

jaxon, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:29 (thirteen years ago) link

totally agree w/you about allspice dram--it's a great flavor but it tends to sort of blow up your drinks.

benedictine is much sweeter than fernet and certainly doesn't have that menthol thing going, in fact it's not really bitter at all. its sweetness is kind of like honey and then there's a lot of herbal flavors in it as well.

benedictine, maraschino, allspice dram, etc. they all really jump out and you have to be careful. exception is green chartreuse--can never get enough of that stuff.

call all destroyer, Saturday, 19 March 2011 23:46 (thirteen years ago) link

thinking there should be a cocktail thread (prob already is since i don't really read ile) and there it is, and there u are. i should read through that thing
Your favorite cocktails - a reference thread for the newish bartender

jaxon, Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:16 (thirteen years ago) link

but speaking of rum again, i had a sip of the best rum i've ever had in my life last night (not too hard since i haven't had too many). ron zacapa. total sipper w/ice. straight caramel flavors. pretty amazing.

jaxon, Sunday, 20 March 2011 00:17 (thirteen years ago) link

hey i did this last year but still bumping it for discoveries and commentary and shit:

in the 2k10 i am learning to make cocktails. this is my mixology thread

call all destroyer, Sunday, 20 March 2011 03:45 (thirteen years ago) link

good thread. when i finally read all the way through it (give me a few months prob, ha), i'll add a few of my own faves.

jaxon, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

also, this is hella funny
http://www.woodinvillewhiskeyco.com/products/age-your-own-whiskey-kit/

jaxon, Tuesday, 22 March 2011 22:06 (thirteen years ago) link

four years pass...

I inadvertently went through my twenties crossing clear liquors off a list of things I'd never be able to drink again, but there's got to be one that's different from the gins and vodkas and moonshines and clear tequilas that I could actually order. What is Ouzo? Is it good? Also, I've only ever had spiced/dark rum as far as I know. What's white rum like?

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 02:50 (eight years ago) link

white rum is wonderful

call all destroyer, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 02:53 (eight years ago) link

Vodka + soda + lime = summertime

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:08 (eight years ago) link

I know the more expensive vodkas have less odor than the cheaper stuff, but I can't even whiff it anymore with feeling queasy.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:09 (eight years ago) link

ouzo is gross imo. i prefer dark rum to white - but maybe i just havent had good white rum

just sayin, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:34 (eight years ago) link

Ouzo is similar to arak and many other rather raw near-eastern anise-flavored liquors. It is not mellow stuff. It is traditionally drunk with water added, which turns it a milky color. I can't say it is worth a special trip just to drink some, but if you are in Greece and some is offered to you, try it. You might like it.

Aimless, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:53 (eight years ago) link

yea if you like anise you will like ouzo

marcos, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 03:55 (eight years ago) link

Oh, I just looked up what anise is. Can't imagine I'd be into it.

Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 05:31 (eight years ago) link

If you have ever had Pastis, it is pretty similar. Ouzo is really refreshing with ice and water. It has a bad rep because tourists tend to pound shots of it.

I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:46 (eight years ago) link

Or sambucca i guess.

I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:46 (eight years ago) link

sambuca + espresso = deliciousness

Heroic melancholy continues to have a forceful grip on (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:40 (eight years ago) link


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